20 Feb
2012
20 Feb
'12
4:14 p.m.
On 2012-02-20 22:23, Holm Tiffe<holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
Way too hard to figure out what the problem is with this information.
Have you checked that the CSR really is correct, for instance?
If the controller firmware itself sees the disks just fine, then the
connection between the controller and the OS is one obvious point to
look at. But there could be a bunch of issues.
Johnny
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> By the way, yes, there is plenty of SCSI
support in VMS. All of the more
> modern VAXstations and whatnot have only native SCSI, and no MSCP or
> similar.
>
> Johnny
>
> --
Jonny I have had a very similar problem on my experimental KA630 uVAXII
with the Emulex UC07/08 Controllers. I've tried to connect some IBM 4GB
Disk since they where quiet. That hasn't worked at all. The Emulex
Firmware was happy, but neighter the RT11 (with an 11/53 CPU) nor the
VAX could access the two logical disks I've created on that drive.
Must have something todo with the emulex firmware that I have on that
controller. 
20 Feb
20 Feb
11:23 p.m.
Zitat von Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>:
On 2012-02-20 22:23, Holm Tiffe<holm at
freibergnet.de> wrote:
Just use a second drive for RT11. (GBytes for RT11???), so you don't
have to partition the drives. Probably that's the problem...
Johnny Billquist wrote:
Way too hard to figure out what the problem is with this information.
Have you checked that the CSR really is correct, for instance?
If the controller firmware itself sees the disks just fine, then the
connection between the controller and the OS is one obvious point to
look at. But there could be a bunch of issues. > By the way, yes, there is plenty of SCSI
support in VMS. All of the more
> modern VAXstations and whatnot have only native SCSI, and no MSCP or
> similar.
>
> Johnny
>
> --
Jonny I have had a very similar problem on my experimental KA630 uVAXII
with the Emulex UC07/08 Controllers. I've tried to connect some IBM 4GB
Disk since they where quiet. That hasn't worked at all. The Emulex
Firmware was happy, but neighter the RT11 (with an 11/53 CPU) nor the
VAX could access the two logical disks I've created on that drive.
Must have something todo with the emulex firmware that I have on that
controller. 
21 Feb
21 Feb
10:39 p.m.
emu at e-bbes.com wrote:
Zitat von Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>:
That doesn't explains why NetBSD wasn't able to access it.
Regards,
Holm
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On 2012-02-20 22:23, Holm Tiffe<holm at
freibergnet.de> wrote:
Just use a second drive for RT11. (GBytes for RT11???), so you don't
have to partition the drives. Probably that's the problem... Johnny Billquist wrote:
Way too hard to figure out what the problem is with this information.
Have you checked that the CSR really is correct, for instance?
If the controller firmware itself sees the disks just fine, then the
connection between the controller and the OS is one obvious point to
look at. But there could be a bunch of issues. > By the way, yes, there is plenty of SCSI
support in VMS. All of the
> more
> modern VAXstations and whatnot have only native SCSI, and no MSCP or
> similar.
>
> Johnny
>
> --
Jonny I have had a very similar problem on my experimental KA630 uVAXII
with the Emulex UC07/08 Controllers. I've tried to connect some IBM 4GB
Disk since they where quiet. That hasn't worked at all. The Emulex
Firmware was happy, but neighter the RT11 (with an 11/53 CPU) nor the
VAX could access the two logical disks I've created on that drive.
Must have something todo with the emulex firmware that I have on that
controller.
10:57 p.m.
Zitat von Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de>:
It doesn't ;-)
But, which model of a VAX? Does it show up in "config"?
(if it is a newer model)
Does NetBSD "see" it at all as an device? You have problems
reading/writing to it?
Just use a
second drive for RT11. (GBytes for RT11???), so you don't
have to partition the drives. Probably that's the problem...
That doesn't
explains why NetBSD wasn't able to access it.
22 Feb
22 Feb
8:38 a.m.
emu at e-bbes.com wrote:
Zitat von Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de>:
It doesn't ;-)
But, which model of a VAX? Does it show up in "config"?
(if it is a newer model)
Old.
This is no VAX at all, this is an H9278 Packplane, An KA630-A V1.3,
an Emulex UC07/08m an MS630B with 4MB an NS638 8MB board, an DELQA,
an PSU from some Compaq Server with a home made Front Paneel, a DELQA.
Just use a
second drive for RT11. (GBytes for RT11???), so you don't
have to partition the drives. Probably that's the problem...
That doesn't
explains why NetBSD wasn't able to access it.
Does NetBSD "see" it at all as an device? You have problems
reading/writing to it?
After formatting with the Emulex Frimware I couldn't lable or access it.
Don't ask me now what The error was was exactly..., something 'like no such
device' or 'device not ready' or so..
Even with the 2GB Disk I had to init the 2 logical disks (made with the
Emulex firmware) with MDUP.MU /z from RT11 (with an 11/53 CPU) before I
could write a disklable with the VAX CPU to them.
I've netbooted that NetBSD (1.5.3). Same happened with Quasijarus BSD.
I don't tried other OSes so far, don't know anything about VMS so I leaved
this alone as long as the hardware wasn't know to be good..
Regards,
Holm
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12:08 p.m.
This is no VAX at all, this is an H9278 Packplane, An
KA630-A V1.3,
I'm sure some would disagree, but I would say that if the CPU is a
KA630, it's a VAX.
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12:41 p.m.
On Feb 22, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Mouse wrote:
It's a VAX, it just doesn't have a number. I'm OK calling my KDF-11
machine a PDP-11/23, mostly because not much else ran that CPU, but
I suppose "11/23 equivalent" is probably a lot closer.
- Dave
This is no VAX
at all, this is an H9278 Packplane, An KA630-A V1.3,
I'm sure some would disagree, but I would say that if the CPU is a
KA630, it's a VAX. 
12:52 p.m.
On 02/22/2012 03:41 PM, David Riley wrote:
On Feb 22, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Mouse wrote:
It's a VAX, it just doesn't have a number. I'm OK calling my KDF-11
machine a PDP-11/23, mostly because not much else ran that CPU, but
I suppose "11/23 equivalent" is probably a lot closer.
Nah, I'd say it's quite effectively a MicroVAX-II. Stick a VCB01 or
VCB02 in it and it'll be a VAXstation-II. No problem.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
This is
no VAX at all, this is an H9278 Packplane, An KA630-A V1.3,
I'm sure some would disagree, but I would say that if the CPU is a
KA630, it's a VAX.
1:44 p.m.
Mouse wrote:
I think you know what I meant.
Regards,
Holm
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This is no VAX
at all, this is an H9278 Packplane, An KA630-A V1.3,
I'm sure some would disagree, but I would say that if the CPU is a
KA630, it's a VAX.
7:42 a.m.
>emu at e-bbes.com wrote:
>Just use a second drive for RT11. (GBytes for
RT11???), so you don't
>have to partition the drives. Probably that's the problem...
>
I am not sure if the attribution is correct.
V05.05 of RT-11 supports enhanced device drivers.
The RT-11 MSCP device driver, DU(X).SYS is able to
simultaneously access up to 64 partitions of 32 MB each.
That works out to 2 GBytes total. In addition, each
partition number can be from 0 to 255 which supports
a total coverage of 8 GBytes. So the limitation is 64
partitions at a time out of a total of 256 partitions if
the drive is physically that large.
While current disk drives for a PC are over 2 TBytes, I
agree that having even 1 GByte for RT-11 (32 partitions)
is an enormous amount of storage. However, I have
found that keeping LST files instead of hard copy does
require about a GByte and is very handy to have around.
My real DEC PDP-11/83 has 3 * 600 MB Hitachi EDSI
disk drives (or 20 RT-11 partitions each) with the second
and third drives serving as identical backups. When I run
under E11, such disk space is trivial to dedicate to the
RT-11 files when the hard drive is 130 GBytes. When I
upgrade to Windows XP, I expect the 3 hard drives will
be 2 TBytes each, so there will be even more storage
available.
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