13 Aug
2010
13 Aug
'10
1:12 a.m.
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 8/11/10 11:21 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
I like the VT5xx series, just as I like all other VT-terminals. However,
I've had problems with power supplies of VT320, and VT340 terminals, and
have had problems with the displays going weak on VT420 terminals.
In a way, I think the VT525 is pretty optimal. External screen with VGA
connection, so I can use any PC screen, including flat screens. The fact
that the VT5xx terminals use a PC keyboard connection sucks some, but I
can live with that, since I atleast have proper DEC layout keyboards
anyway. And color, in addition to that. The only thing missing is ReGIS
and SIXBIT graphics.
But, to make a comment on the original topic here - I don't really think
that new VT terminals are more expensive than buying a PC. Yes, the
initial cost is larger, but I definitely expect a VT520 to last way
longer than a PC, and buying two or three PCs, and additionally to have
to service, update, install, and work on the machines will make them
cost way more than a new VT520 within just a year or two.
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> >> Of course, shipping for, say a
hundred VT520s is significantly higher than for those modern replacements - even when you
add in the (now LCD) screen. Oh that's right, you can just go down to Best Buy (which
rarely is) to buy the screens....
>
> I doubt shipping costs would be so much of an issue - VT520s, if they
> are anything like VT420s, are not very heavy. If company X needs
> several hundred dumb terminals spread around in their system, I bet
> they would have enough of their own shipping going on, and the VTs
> could hang on the sides of the trucks for free.
>
> >> That's not to say I don't have a personal preference for the
originals - I have mostly VT420s at home, and we're refurbishing a bunch of VT100s and
VT52s here at work. -- Ian
>
> OK, I will say it - VT420s suck.
What don't you like about VT420s? They're my favorite of the line,
followed closely by VT320 then VT220. I don't like VT520s at all. 
13 Aug
13 Aug
8:28 p.m.
Johnny Billquist wrote:
I like the VT5xx series, just as I like all other
VT-terminals. However,
I've had problems with power supplies of VT320, and VT340 terminals, and
have had problems with the displays going weak on VT420 terminals.
I don't like the VT5xx series (but don't dislike them enough to get rid
of mine), because of their changed admin interface vs. the really nice
ones of the previous DEC terminals.
Peace... Sridhar
20 Aug
20 Aug
1:22 p.m.
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Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: Terminals...
Johnny Billquist wrote:
How well would a VT525 work with a MicroVAX 3100 series model 80? The local
scrapper has about 8 of that model terminal and a pile of DEC keyboards
(mostly ps2 type ends, a couple with what looks like a 4 pin mini phone
jack). The guy in charge at the time needed to talk to the owner about price
(meaning he will try to ream me on one after he looks it up on ebay). I did
get 2 sets of MJJ cables (one ends in what looks like a 9 pin serial port
adapter, the other looks like it ends in a ethernet cable adapter) and 2 DEC
terminal keyboards (ps2 end). I guess I can rig up a laptop to be a
terminal with the cables I have, or hope he lets the VT525's go cheap (what
is a fair price for one anyway?).
I like the VT5xx series, just as I like all other
VT-terminals. However,
I've had problems with power supplies of VT320, and VT340 terminals, and
have had problems with the displays going weak on VT420 terminals.
I don't like the VT5xx series (but don't dislike them enough to get rid of
mine), because of their changed admin interface vs. the really nice ones
of the previous DEC terminals.
Peace... Sridhar 
1:31 p.m.
On Aug 20, 2010, at 4:22 PM, "Teo Zenios" <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote:
How well would a VT525 work with a MicroVAX 3100 series model 80? The local scrapper has
about 8 of that model terminal and a pile of DEC keyboards (mostly ps2 type ends, a couple
with what looks like a 4 pin mini phone jack). The guy in charge at the time needed to
talk to the owner about price (meaning he will try to ream me on one after he looks it up
on ebay). I did get 2 sets of MJJ cables (one ends in what looks like a 9 pin serial port
adapter, the other looks like it ends in a ethernet cable adapter) and 2 DEC terminal
keyboards (ps2 end). I guess I can rig up a laptop to be a terminal with the cables I
have, or hope he lets the VT525's go cheap (what is a fair price for one anyway?).
VT525s will be fine on a VAX.
-Dave
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I like the VT5xx series, just as I like all other
VT-terminals. However,
I've had problems with power supplies of VT320, and VT340 terminals, and
have had problems with the displays going weak on VT420 terminals.
I don't like the VT5xx series (but don't dislike them enough to get rid of mine),
because of their changed admin interface vs. the really nice ones of the previous DEC
terminals.
Peace... Sridhar 
1:46 p.m.
On 8/20/10, Teo Zenios <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote:
How well would a VT525 work with a MicroVAX 3100
series model 80?
Just fine.
The local
scrapper has about 8 of that model terminal and a pile of DEC keyboards
(mostly ps2 type ends, a couple with what looks like a 4 pin mini phone
jack).
Those would likely be LK201s (with the 4-pin handset jack) or perhaps
a newer variant, and some variety of LK401s. From time to time, I
have use of pretty much any variety. The real LK201s first shipped in
the early 1980s with VT220s and contemporary gear and are somewhat
wider than PC keyboards. Newer keyboards tend to look more like PC
keyboards with a key or two that looks odd ("Do", etc).
The guy in charge at the time needed to talk to the
owner about price
(meaning he will try to ream me on one after he looks it up on ebay).
A quick check shows a wide variety of BIN OBO pricing, but the real
question is what are they *selling* for.
I guess I can rig up a laptop to be a
terminal with the cables I have, or hope he lets the VT525's go cheap (what
is a fair price for one anyway?).
I don't have a good feel for the present prices for terminal gear, but
the base VT525 isn't saddled with a CRT and is newish kit, so a
partial answer is "more than some terminals, less than others".
Recently, for example, I've had several genuine VT220s w/LK201
keyboards pass nearby, but I couldn't drum up enough interest for free
or nearly free units (plus shipping, of course). I get a VT220 or
three per year offered to me. VT320s less often (though I did get a
couple this year) and VT4xx less often. VT525s, though, seem to still
attract commercial interest.
I personally wouldn't spend $100 on one, but I have plenty of dumb
terminals to pull off the shelf, so I don't _need_ one. I wouldn't
mind having one to play with, but it would have to be free/cost of
dinner to entice me. If you don't have another terminal or you don't
have an affinity for a particular model (my first terminals were the
VT52, VT10x, and VT220, for example) then you might be more motivated
to pony up a few bucks.
-ethan
2:16 p.m.
In article <AANLkTimv19X3zLoJwtExzeK3-ACYHdC67-tfB1_OcQHP at mail.gmail.com>,
Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> writes:
I don't have a good feel for the present prices
for terminal gear, but
the base VT525 isn't saddled with a CRT and is newish kit, so a
partial answer is "more than some terminals, less than others".
Ah... I didn't realize that the 525 had a base separate from the
monitor. The picture on vt100.net must be showing a 510 or 520 with
the monitor/electronics integrated into a single housing. I guess the
525 just takes a regular VGA monitor?
Completed listings on ebay for 510, 520 or 525 terminals shows a 510 sold
for $38+16 shipping and a 520 sold for $45+18 shipping.
Our old friend "it_equipment_xpress" of course has 510's listed for $130
and $443 (for *2* sessions!) that of course haven't sold.
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2:20 p.m.
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Richard wrote:
Our old friend "it_equipment_xpress" of course has 510's listed for $130
and $443 (for *2* sessions!) that of course haven't sold.
I wonder if he's related to the guy with the $35,000 Kaypro or the guy
with the $400 486 motherboard...
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2:27 p.m.
In article <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008201419240.14663 at grumble.deltasoft.com>,
Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Richard wrote:
I think he's just one of those middle-man dealers that waits with
overpriced listings to prey on companies with critical vintage gear
that suddenly fails.
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Our old friend "it_equipment_xpress" of course has 510's listed for $130
and $443 (for *2* sessions!) that of course haven't sold.
I wonder if he's related to the guy with the $35,000 Kaypro or the guy
with the $400 486 motherboard...
2:37 p.m.
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Richard wrote:
In article <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008201419240.14663 at grumble.deltasoft.com>,
Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> writes:
Ahh. I wasn't aware of that "segment". I figured they were just
greedy
f*cks the fed on the gullible.
g.
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Richard wrote:
I think he's just one of those middle-man dealers that waits with
overpriced listings to prey on companies with critical vintage gear
that suddenly fails.
Our old friend "it_equipment_xpress" of course has 510's listed for $130
and $443 (for *2* sessions!) that of course haven't sold.
I wonder if he's related to the guy with the $35,000 Kaypro or the guy
with the $400 486 motherboard...
3:29 p.m.
In article <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008201436120.15188 at grumble.deltasoft.com>,
Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Richard wrote:
I thought I said that. :-)
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I think he's just one of those middle-man
dealers that waits with
overpriced listings to prey on companies with critical vintage gear
that suddenly fails.
Ahh. I wasn't aware of that "segment". I figured they were just
greedy
f*cks the fed on the gullible.
5:09 p.m.
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Richard wrote:
In article <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008201436120.15188 at grumble.deltasoft.com>,
Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> writes:
There's a big difference between commerical need (and typically the
pockets to pay for it) and mugging some poor schmuck that just wants to
relive his childhood or the "good old days".
g.
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Richard wrote:
I thought I said that. :-)
I think he's just one of those middle-man
dealers that waits with
overpriced listings to prey on companies with critical vintage gear
that suddenly fails.
Ahh. I wasn't aware of that "segment". I figured they were just
greedy
f*cks the fed on the gullible.
21 Aug
21 Aug
9:23 a.m.
In article <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008201708310.19842 at grumble.deltasoft.com>,
Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Richard wrote:
Yeah, they care about (and price for) the former and don't give a shit
about the latter.
I've seen more than one vendor express the sentiment that once the
former market dries up, they send stuff straight to the scrappers.
Even though the latter market would pay more than scrap value, they
just blow them off.
As a capitalist, personally I think that's stupid.
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In article <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008201436120.15188 at grumble.deltasoft.com>,
Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> writes:
There's a big difference between commerical need (and typically the
pockets to pay for it) and mugging some poor schmuck that just wants to
relive his childhood or the "good old days". On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Richard wrote:
I thought I said that. :-)
I think he's just one of those middle-man
dealers that waits with
overpriced listings to prey on companies with critical vintage gear
that suddenly fails.
Ahh. I wasn't aware of that "segment". I figured they were just
greedy
f*cks the fed on the gullible.
12:12 p.m.
12:18 p.m.
It's really not that surprising considering
they're the high-tech version of
the knuckle-dragging, beer swilling ass-hats that populate the low-tech
scrap industry.
So...now you know why the scrap industry generally does not like us.
Scrappers are not stupid, but they can certainly be spiteful.
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12:25 p.m.
On 8/21/10 3:18 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
From what I've seen, many are quite a bit of both.
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It's
really not that surprising considering they're the high-tech version of
the knuckle-dragging, beer swilling ass-hats that populate the low-tech
scrap industry.
So...now you know why the scrap industry generally does not like us.
Scrappers are not stupid, but they can certainly be spiteful.
12:30 p.m.
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Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Terminals...
They can be. If they think something is worth $4000 and you offer only $400
they would rather crush it then look like a chump. Some of that has to do
with the fact that they make money without side sales just by scrapping, and
have no money in the items (get them free or charge a recycling fee). Its
not just scrappers, even some collectors who get things free and think they
are worth major money will do the same thing because it is "not worth their
time" to deal with lower offers.
It's
really not that surprising considering they're the high-tech version
of
the knuckle-dragging, beer swilling ass-hats that populate the low-tech
scrap industry.
So...now you know why the scrap industry generally does not like us.
Scrappers are not stupid, but they can certainly be spiteful.
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12:58 p.m.
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, William Donzelli wrote:
They're stupid because they _are_ spiteful.
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It's
really not that surprising considering they're the high-tech version of
the knuckle-dragging, beer swilling ass-hats that populate the low-tech
scrap industry.
So...now you know why the scrap industry generally does not like us.
Scrappers are not stupid, but they can certainly be spiteful.
4:10 p.m.
They're stupid because they _are_ spiteful.
But they can get away with being spiteful. Scrappers tend to make a
very good living, even though they may look like the dregs of society.
A loss here and there just to be spiteful is often just a drop in the
ocean, and is easily recovered by the next home run deal the walk
into.
Really guys, I have said this all before. Badmouthing scrappers and
dealers amounts to shooting yourselves in the foot. There are a few on
this list - they are listening.
--
Will
4:20 p.m.
In article <AANLkTikvaf=wxKYX+SyFRPORBDC3_tOF-_JD1Tjj6Jqg at mail.gmail.com>,
William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> writes:
Really guys, I have said this all before. Badmouthing
scrappers and
dealers amounts to shooting yourselves in the foot. There are a few on
this list - they are listening.
As a capitalist, I'm just saying I don't understand their business
model. I'm willing to pay more than scrap, but they shut me out
because I won't pay corporate critical replacement prices on things
that they aren't selling anyway. (I watch their closed listings on
ebay, they get stuff that they relist over and over and over and never
sell at the prices they are asking. Wouldn't they rather sell it than
sit on it? Apparently not.)
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22 Aug
6:26 a.m.
From: wdonzelli at gmail.com
Hi
Sometimes they don't know the values of the items they have
and often don't want to take the time to find out. I had a neighbor
that was a scrapper ( mostly stainless steel and food processing machinery ).
He had a bunch of Standard Bus boards that he asked if I wanted
any. I took a couple as I thought many of them had too great a
value as is or for the components.
Later, I found that he'd sold then by the pound. Each one had
a 80C187 chip on it. Just one of those was worth more than he
got for the entire pile. I wish now that I'd save the lot. He was
an OK guy just trying to pay the rent.
Dwight
It's really not that surprising considering
they're the high-tech version of
the knuckle-dragging, beer swilling ass-hats that populate the low-tech
scrap industry.
So...now you know why the scrap industry generally does not like us.
Scrappers are not stupid, but they can certainly be spiteful.
--
Will 
2:53 p.m.
Will wrote:
So...now you know why the scrap industry generally
does not like us.
Scrappers are not stupid, but they can certainly be spiteful.
This morning's "Peanuts" comic strip brought to light the difference
in mindset between collectors and those not so inclined:
http://comics.com/peanuts/2010-08-22/
--Chuck
(Well, *I* thought it was funny!)
23 Aug
23 Aug
10:21 a.m.
One man's trash....
On a side note a friend helped me carry an Alphaserver 4100 up three
flights of stairs last week, his comment was "Did you know they make
computers you can put on your lap these days I'll find out what they
are called for you"
Dan
On 22 Aug 2010, at 23:53, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
Will wrote:
So...now you know why the scrap industry
generally does not like us.
Scrappers are not stupid, but they can certainly be spiteful.
This morning's "Peanuts" comic strip brought to light the difference
in mindset between collectors and those not so inclined:
http://comics.com/peanuts/2010-08-22/
--Chuck
(Well, *I* thought it was funny!)
11:26 a.m.
On 8/23/10 1:21 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
On a side note a friend helped me carry an Alphaserver
4100 up three
flights of stairs last week, his comment was "Did you know they make
computers you can put on your lap these days I'll find out what they
are called for you"
...thus illustrating the uneducated public's widespread notion that,
since technology tends to shrink with development, and laptops are
smaller than most other types of computers, that laptops are the "new"
computers, and anything other than a laptop is obsolete.
I don't even know what to say at this point. Each time I see an
example of incredible stupidity in our society I think "wow, it can't
get any worse than that"...then someone steps up to prove me wrong.
Congrats on your 4100, by the way. I ran quite a few of those at work
for a long time; they're great machines when configured with higher-end
processors.
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
12:30 p.m.
On 23 Aug 2010 at 14:26, Dave McGuire wrote:
...thus illustrating the uneducated public's
widespread notion that,
since technology tends to shrink with development, and laptops are
smaller than most other types of computers, that laptops are the "new"
computers, and anything other than a laptop is obsolete.
In general, the public is still working on the "newer is better"
theory. Why anyone would want to sit at home and type on a laptop
keyboard is beyond me.
But I've seen people ditch their desktop 2GHz P4 system for a new
desktop Core Duo box in the hope that it will make their dialup
connection faster.
--Chuck
12:51 p.m.
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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Terminals...
In general, the public is still working on the
"newer is better"
theory. Why anyone would want to sit at home and type on a laptop
keyboard is beyond me.
--Chuck
People get sold on the extra functionality of laptops like portability and
less space. Which is funny because any desktop system can be installed under
a desk and LCD monitors do not take up that much space plus some people
never take their expensive laptops off the desk they use them on.
The laptop craze has almost killed resale values for desktops (which I don't
mind at all).
21 Aug
21 Aug
12:23 p.m.
Yeah, they care about (and price for) the former and
don't give a shit
about the latter.
I've seen more than one vendor express the sentiment that once the
former market dries up, they send stuff straight to the scrappers.
Even though the latter market would pay more than scrap value, they
just blow them off.
They often do not give a shit because they are really sick and tired
of getting lowballed by collectors, or getting their names dragged
through the mud. More than a few scrappers have actually taken a loss
on something, just to piss off collectors that throw around nickels
like they were manhole covers. For example, there is a guy near me
that buried a bunch of high end communication receivers (military
R-390s) on his property, because he received one too many lowball
offers.
--
Will
12:48 p.m.
On 8/21/10 3:23 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
They often do not give a shit because they are really
sick and tired
of getting lowballed by collectors, or getting their names dragged
through the mud. More than a few scrappers have actually taken a loss
on something, just to piss off collectors that throw around nickels
like they were manhole covers. For example, there is a guy near me
that buried a bunch of high end communication receivers (military
R-390s) on his property, because he received one too many lowball
offers.
There's spite, then there's complete and utter stupidity.
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
4:17 p.m.
In article <AANLkTim=zZE5XsF0TbqMYxJ0x+8sLgB8uoD4PpATX6dh at mail.gmail.com>,
William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> writes:
They often do not give a shit because they are really
sick and tired
of getting lowballed by collectors, [...]
As a capitalist I'm OK with asking them their price. Generally their
prices put me out of the market, however. I am willing to pay more
than scrap value, but I can't afford critical-replacement-part prices.
I have no problem with them making a profit from me, but its not a
critical piece of my business that I'm purchasing, it is for my
collection.
I try to cultivate a working relationship with anyone who I think can
help me with my goals. That includes scrappers or other vendors.
They don't seem interested in cultivating a relationship however,
including dealers that are in Salt Lake City (but don't have a public
storefront, so I can't visit them in person, I can only network by
phone and email). My point is that I'm more profit than scrap, I'm
not an asshole, but I am less profit than the critical replacement
part customer. I'm willing to wait until there are no more critical
replacement customers. I'm willing to trade things I have in excess
that are more valuable in the critical-replacement-part market than
what I would like to trade from their inventory.
When I am talking to a dealer, I offer what I think is a fair value
based on my observations of sales on ebay and other outlets. When
they ask 10x what people are routinely paying on ebay, I can only
conclude that they're looking to gouge me or aren't paying attention
to the market.
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5:45 p.m.
I try to cultivate a working relationship with anyone
who I think can
help me with my goals. ?That includes scrappers or other vendors.
They don't seem interested in cultivating a relationship however,
including dealers that are in Salt Lake City (but don't have a public
storefront, so I can't visit them in person, I can only network by
phone and email). ?My point is that I'm more profit than scrap, I'm
not an asshole, but I am less profit than the critical replacement
part customer.
You are not the asshole, but the legions that came before you were.
Time heals, as they say, but continuing to have open season on the
scrappers is not helping the situation. The bad name we have given
ourselves will continue, and more good stuff will be lost..
--
Will
22 Aug
22 Aug
11:15 a.m.
In article <AANLkTimpGkrUJXQnzrK8U1SjtjQyvpcadRjO2D2q8Mvp at mail.gmail.com>,
William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> writes:
I try, but they don't make it easy.
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They don't
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1) do not act superior
2) bring him business 
22 Aug
22 Aug
6:52 a.m.
From: wdonzelli at gmail.com
---snip---
For example, there is a guy near me
that buried a bunch of high end communication
receivers (military
R-390s) on his property, because he received one too many lowball
offers.
Hi
I'd love to have an R-390. Especially one with the mechanical filters.
I just can't affort even the price they get on eBay.
There was a RACAL that I liked a lot as well ( can't recall the name
but I do recall almost being killed by one that I was tuning the
IF strip ).
Dwight
9:51 a.m.
On 8/22/10 9:52 AM, dwight elvey wrote:
There was a RACAL that I liked a lot as well (
can't recall the name
but I do recall almost being killed by one that I was tuning the
IF strip ).
Mmm, just mentioning RACAL reminds me of (what was) my RA6790/GM.
Sadly I had to sell it to pay the mortgage a couple of years ago, plus I
felt kinda guilty having such a great receiver but not having much time
to use it.
Its CPU is a Mostek F8 as I recall, at least on the earlier ones (and
mine).
-Dave
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10:04 a.m.
New subject: OT: old high-end receivers / was Re: Terminals...
On 2010 Aug 22, at 6:52 AM, dwight elvey wrote:
There was a RACAL that I liked a lot as well (
can't recall the name
but I do recall almost being killed by one that I was tuning the
IF strip ).
The RACAL RA-117 perhaps? Implements the Wadley Loop tuning system.
High-end contemporary of, and competitor to, the R-390, in attempting
precision tuning before practical implementations of the PLL.
I've been rebuilding a couple of them of late:
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~hilpert/e/radio/RacalRA117/
11:12 a.m.
New subject: OT: old high-end receivers / was Re: Terminals...
From: hilpert at cs.ubc.ca
On 2010 Aug 22, at 6:52 AM, dwight elvey wrote:
Yep, that's the one. When tuning the 115MHz IF ( forget the exact freq ),
you can't use an insulated tuning wound without breaking it. So
one resorts to a metal one. This is fine until one reaches the last
one connected to the plate. Then if your stupid enough to have your
elbow on the chasis and hand guiding the screwdriver into the hole,
you get zapped.
The only excuse I have is that it was the middle of the night.
Dwight
There was a RACAL that I liked a lot as well (
can't recall the name
but I do recall almost being killed by one that I was tuning the
IF strip ).
The RACAL RA-117 perhaps? Implements the Wadley Loop tuning system.
High-end contemporary of, and competitor to, the R-390, in attempting
precision tuning before practical implementations of the PLL.
I've been rebuilding a couple of them of late:
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~hilpert/e/radio/RacalRA117/
20 Aug
20 Aug
4:42 p.m.
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From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Terminals...
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Richard wrote:
Other then soon to be extinct defense contractors, what company these days
would spend that kind of cash for old test gear?
In article <alpine.LFD.2.00.1008201419240.14663 at grumble.deltasoft.com>,
Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> writes:
Ahh. I wasn't aware of that "segment". I figured they were just
greedy
f*cks the fed on the gullible.
g. On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Richard wrote:
I think he's just one of those middle-man dealers that waits with
overpriced listings to prey on companies with critical vintage gear
that suddenly fails.
Our old friend "it_equipment_xpress" of course has 510's listed for
$130
and $443 (for *2* sessions!) that of course haven't sold.
I wonder if he's related to the guy with the $35,000 Kaypro or the guy
with the $400 486 motherboard...
2:26 p.m.
On 8/20/10, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
I guess the 525 just takes a regular VGA monitor?
I haven't used one personally, but that's my understanding.
Completed listings on ebay for 510, 520 or 525
terminals shows a 510 sold
for $38+16 shipping and a 520 sold for $45+18 shipping.
$40-$50 (+shipping) sounds like a decent price to me, but I haven't
been shopping around for new terminals (I don't really need color, and
I have plenty of DEC mono dumb terminals).
-ethan
2:29 p.m.
In article <AANLkTikEdJ5t2pHkaNUW=E0huq+JH2P6Kki04qqdNJU8 at mail.gmail.com>,
Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> writes:
I don't think I have a vt5xx yet, but they are at the end of the DEC
product line where things are less interesting because the terminals
are all commoditized by then. The cases are fairly indistinguishable
between vendors; about the only differentiating factors are features
(in this case multiple LAT sessions) and keyboards (in this case the
really wide dec LK style keyboard).
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Completed
listings on ebay for 510, 520 or 525 terminals shows a 510 sold
for $38+16 shipping and a 520 sold for $45+18 shipping.
$40-$50 (+shipping) sounds like a decent price to me, but I haven't
been shopping around for new terminals (I don't really need color, and
I have plenty of DEC mono dumb terminals).
10:11 p.m.
On 8/20/10 5:16 PM, Richard wrote:
Yes, standard VGA monitor. They're not terrible terminals, but kinda
flimsy, not very fast, and most PC-grade monitors are, well, PC-grade.
I much prefer VT320s and VT420s.
I did run the VT525 with a monochrome VGA monitor for a little while,
and that was very nice.
Incidentally, the VT525 is in a chassis almost identical to that of
the Multia Alpha-based systems. I think they had an x86 system in that
chassis at one point as well.
I don't
have a good feel for the present prices for terminal gear, but
the base VT525 isn't saddled with a CRT and is newish kit, so a
partial answer is "more than some terminals, less than others".
Ah... I didn't realize that the 525 had a base separate from the
monitor. The picture on vt100.net must be showing a 510 or 520 with
the monitor/electronics integrated into a single housing. I guess the
525 just takes a regular VGA monitor? Completed listings on ebay for 510, 520 or 525
terminals shows a 510 sold
for $38+16 shipping and a 520 sold for $45+18 shipping.
I just checked my eBay records; I sold mine for $32.00 in 2007.
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
2:01 p.m.
In article <744DB5469BEB4131832EC66D4BA961F6 at dell8300>,
"Teo Zenios" <teoz at neo.rr.com> writes:
How well would a VT525 work with a MicroVAX 3100
series model 80?
<http://vt100.net/vt_history> says the VT525 is a color multi-session
terminal. So that's a fairly decent model for the 500 series.
Judging from the programmer's manual, you can select from a palette of
16 colors.
<http://www.vt100.net/docs/vt520-rm/ek-vt520-rm.pdf>
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Richard wrote:
In article<744DB5469BEB4131832EC66D4BA961F6 at
dell8300>,
"Teo Zenios"<teoz at neo.rr.com> writes:
Unfortunately, it uses the later ANSI color stuff rather than the
control codes used previously with the VT340/VT241.
Peace... Sridhar
How well would a VT525 work with a MicroVAX 3100
series model 80?
<http://vt100.net/vt_history> says the VT525 is a color multi-session
terminal. So that's a fairly decent model for the 500 series.
Judging from the programmer's manual, you can select from a palette of
16 colors.
<http://www.vt100.net/docs/vt520-rm/ek-vt520-rm.pdf>
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