21 Jan
2018
21 Jan
'18
2:47 p.m.
I have some sun3/vme systems
Several 3/60
3/260
sparcstation 4/370
SMD disk array for 3/260
The 3/260 and 4/370 have some oddball boards for data (cosys) and
video acquisition (Aviv).
I also have some spare sparcstation 10s and 20s.
I haven't seen sun3 stuff for sale much. Does anyone know approximate
valuations for tested systems?
Regards,
Kevin
21 Jan
21 Jan
5:17 p.m.
My guess is it will cost you about $25 a pop to get rid of them. They can
not be sent to the landfill as they pre-date RoHS by quite a bit.
bill
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From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Kevin Bowling via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 5:47 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Sun3 valuations?
I have some sun3/vme systems
Several 3/60
3/260
sparcstation 4/370
SMD disk array for 3/260
The 3/260 and 4/370 have some oddball boards for data (cosys) and
video acquisition (Aviv).
I also have some spare sparcstation 10s and 20s.
I haven't seen sun3 stuff for sale much. Does anyone know approximate
valuations for tested systems?
Regards,
Kevin
5:30 p.m.
On 1/21/2018 2:47 PM, Kevin Bowling via cctalk wrote:
I have some sun3/vme systems
Several 3/60
3/260
sparcstation 4/370
SMD disk array for 3/260
The 3/260 and 4/370 have some oddball boards for data (cosys) and
video acquisition (Aviv).
I also have some spare sparcstation 10s and 20s.
I haven't seen sun3 stuff for sale much. Does anyone know approximate
valuations for tested systems?
Regards,
Kevin
Kevin,
I've got a 3/260 which was formerly owned by Rockwell here in Orange
County, CA.? I got it from storage of a friend who was reducing clutter
at a site so can't help with valuation.
It is the deskside unit which will be the Sun VME and VME adapter card
they used equipped.? I've not opened it, but it may be a bit rangy.
I don't have any of the disk bricks, and am hoping that some fiddling
will allow me to run something more modern than the sun scsi bricks if I
do run them.? Not sure what you have.? This is the deskside unit, and
I'm not sure if they had hard drives integrated. My system uses QIC
tapes, and I've got some tape which were in the pile, but have low
expectations any of them are good.? Storage was not optimized, and even
with that QIC is seldom useful at this point.? Best hope will be
recovery if I need to to boot the system.
I thin the 4x systems were supposed to have the Sparc first run
processor, and the 3/xxx were to have 68000.? People could mix and match
as could Sun.? I've owned and have running but long ago sold a 4/280 and
had a couple of 3/280s, so have some experience.
The 4/280 had Fuji SMD drives and were nice, but horrible power hogs, so
I sold them off as they were large and I couldn't afford to run and
maintain them.?? I'm curious where you are located, as my interest in
this project is low, and you'd be welcome to try your project with
anything I've got if you are going to restore them.
Contact me off list if you wish to discuss more.
thanks
Jim
5:41 p.m.
On 2018-01-21 5:47 PM, Kevin Bowling via cctalk wrote:
I have some sun3/vme systems
Several 3/60
3/260
sparcstation 4/370
SMD disk array for 3/260
The 3/260 and 4/370 have some oddball boards for data (cosys) and
video acquisition (Aviv).
I also have some spare sparcstation 10s and 20s.
I haven't seen sun3 stuff for sale much. Does anyone know approximate
valuations for tested systems?
Regards,
Kevin
Where are you located?
These are very nice systems, and not so easy to find any more.
--Toby
6:11 p.m.
Location ?
-pete
On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Kevin Bowling via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I have some sun3/vme systems
Several 3/60
3/260
sparcstation 4/370
SMD disk array for 3/260
The 3/260 and 4/370 have some oddball boards for data (cosys) and
video acquisition (Aviv).
I also have some spare sparcstation 10s and 20s.
I haven't seen sun3 stuff for sale much. Does anyone know approximate
valuations for tested systems?
Regards,
Kevin
6:48 p.m.
It's nice to see all the interest. I gave all my Sun stuff (except one UltraSPARC)
to a museum several years ago and I hope they are still happily plugging away.
bill
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From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Pete Lancashire via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:11 PM
To: Kevin Bowling; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Sun3 valuations?
Location ?
-pete
On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Kevin Bowling via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I have some sun3/vme systems
Several 3/60
3/260
sparcstation 4/370
SMD disk array for 3/260
The 3/260 and 4/370 have some oddball boards for data (cosys) and
video acquisition (Aviv).
I also have some spare sparcstation 10s and 20s.
I haven't seen sun3 stuff for sale much. Does anyone know approximate
valuations for tested systems?
Regards,
Kevin
8:53 p.m.
Several people asked my location.. Phoenix, AZ. Freighting stuff is
neither hard nor expensive if it comes to that but I'm just trying to
gauge value at the moment.
On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling at kev009.com> wrote:
I have some sun3/vme systems
Several 3/60
3/260
sparcstation 4/370
SMD disk array for 3/260
The 3/260 and 4/370 have some oddball boards for data (cosys) and
video acquisition (Aviv).
I also have some spare sparcstation 10s and 20s.
I haven't seen sun3 stuff for sale much. Does anyone know approximate
valuations for tested systems?
Regards,
Kevin
22 Jan
22 Jan
9:01 a.m.
On 1/21/18 8:53 PM, Kevin Bowling via cctalk wrote:
Several people asked my location.. Phoenix, AZ.
Freighting stuff is
neither hard nor expensive if it comes to that but I'm just trying to
gauge value at the moment.
I have a 3/x80 full server rack with 1/2 tape, no disks, and dozens of 9u boards from
3/160 up through 4/3x0 I'd like to sell in Fremont, CA if someone wants to make a
reasonable
offer and can pick them up from there.
21 Jan
21 Jan
11:37 p.m.
On 2018-01-21 23:47, Kevin Bowling via cctalk wrote:
I have some sun3/vme systems
Several 3/60
3/260
sparcstation 4/370
SMD disk array for 3/260
The 3/260 and 4/370 have some oddball boards for data (cosys) and
video acquisition (Aviv).
I also have some spare sparcstation 10s and 20s.
I haven't seen sun3 stuff for sale much. Does anyone know approximate
valuations for tested systems?
Hello Kevin,
I would be interested in all the 68000 based systems. If you like to get
rid of them, I would give them a good home.
All the best,
emanuel
(colorado, usa)
22 Jan
22 Jan
1:24 a.m.
My interest would be from having the first Sun systems in the Portland
Oregon area. It consisted of a 3/260 w a Fujitsu Eagle, and a 90 ips 9
track that I cant remember the make.
Tied to it where 3 3/50s. Initially diskless then I added a 40 MB drive to
each of them.
Networked into the companies network, tapped into on of the yellow coaxes
up in the ceiling.
I all was for running Interleaf. Oh yea printing was via a Imagin (sp?)
print engine.
Purpose was composing and printing component specifications at Tektronix
-pete
On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 11:37 PM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 2018-01-21 23:47, Kevin Bowling via cctalk wrote:
I have some sun3/vme systems
Several 3/60
3/260
sparcstation 4/370
SMD disk array for 3/260
The 3/260 and 4/370 have some oddball boards for data (cosys) and
video acquisition (Aviv).
I also have some spare sparcstation 10s and 20s.
I haven't seen sun3 stuff for sale much. Does anyone know approximate
valuations for tested systems?
Hello Kevin,
I would be interested in all the 68000 based systems. If you like to get
rid of them, I would give them a good home.
All the best,
emanuel
(colorado, usa)
9:57 a.m.
On 2018-Jan-22, at 1:24 AM, Pete Lancashire via cctalk wrote:
My interest would be from having the first Sun systems
in the Portland
Oregon area. It consisted of a 3/260 w a Fujitsu Eagle, and a 90 ips 9
track that I cant remember the make.
Tied to it where 3 3/50s. Initially diskless then I added a 40 MB drive to
each of them.
Networked into the companies network, tapped into on of the yellow coaxes
up in the ceiling.
I all was for running Interleaf. Oh yea printing was via a Imagin (sp?)
print engine.
The early 'compact' laser printer ca. 1984 (table-top sized as opposed to the
20sqft of floor space of the 1st gen of laser printers)?
My recollection is it was "Imagen".
I took it as incorporating "image", and "generate" or
"engine" (my perception).
We had one in the CS department. Nice for the time, but required regular
cleaning/maintenance, dept. tech guy would roll his eyes - " . . again?"
Wasn't the internal controller the early Sun processor board (basically a 68000
single-board computer that preceded or was used in the Sun 1), or am I conflating things?
(We had a Sun 1 quite early as well).
10 a.m.
On 1/22/18 9:57 AM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote:
Wasn't the internal controller the early Sun
processor board (basically a 68000 single-board computer that preceded or was used in the
Sun 1), or am I conflating things? (We had a Sun 1 quite early as well).
Imagen founded by people from Stanford. The original printer used a Stanford SUN board.
Note, SUN (Stanford University Network) and not "Sun"
10:08 a.m.
Imagen .. yes. The printer we had was a Cannon engine, the same one HP
used. All our work was for 8-1/2"x11" and its 300DPI
was good enough for our use.
LBP8 ?
BTW I had at home a LBP1 ? that came from the R&D Labs. Quite the beast it
used a toner that was suspended in a liquid.
Can one say VENTILATION required :-) I had it in the garage.
-pete
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 1/22/18 9:57 AM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote:
Imagen founded by people from Stanford. The original printer used a
Stanford SUN board.
Note, SUN (Stanford University Network) and not "Sun"
Wasn't the internal controller the early Sun
processor board (basically
a 68000 single-board computer that preceded or was used
in the Sun 1), or
am I conflating things? (We had a Sun 1 quite early as well).
10:24 a.m.
On 1/22/18 10:08 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
BTW I had at home a LBP1 ? that came from the R&D
Labs. Quite the beast it used a toner that was suspended in a liquid.
Not that anyone seems to collect printers, but the LBP1 and the Canon engine were some of
the
first 'inexpensive mass-produced' laser printers.
I don't know of any that still survive.
Before that, if you were lucky enough to be at Stanford, MIT, or CMU, you could use the
Dover
and Altos that were part of Xerox's University Grant Program. Copies of well-known
papers from the early
80s are very distinctive because they were printed on them.
Eventually, the Dover was networked to other computers. Stanford had a rather big 3mbit
research Ethernet
made with SUN board gateways.
Not that any of this has much to do with Sun-3, other that it was possible to plug a SUN
3mbit ethernet
board into one with a Multibus adapter. I had packets coming out of a Sun-3 a VERY long
time ago and
still have a bunch of the 3mbit Multibus boards.
10:50 a.m.
On 01/22/2018 11:24 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
Before that, if you were lucky enough to be at
Stanford, MIT, or CMU,
you could use the Dover and Altos that were part of Xerox's University
Grant Program. Copies of well-known papers from the early 80s are very
distinctive because they were printed on them.
What made the Dover and Altos special in this context?
Eventually, the Dover was networked to other
computers. Stanford had a
rather big 3mbit research Ethernet made with SUN board gateways.
Intriguing. This is the 2nd time I've heard about 3 Mbps Ethernet. The
first was in the series of videos that Curious Mark has shared on
YouTube about the restoration of multiple Altos.
Not that any of this has much to do with Sun-3, other
that it was possible
to plug a SUN 3mbit ethernet board into one with a Multibus adapter. I
had packets coming out of a Sun-3 a VERY long time ago and still have
a bunch of the 3mbit Multibus boards.
I wonder if Curious Mark and co would be interested in possibly
acquiring one of the 3 Mbps boards. (Of course that would necessitate a
Sun to put it in.) - I think they hacked something together, so the
need may not be that great.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
11:01 a.m.
On 2018-01-22 1:24 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 1/22/18 10:08 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
I still own an original Canon engine Apple Laserwriter or two. (Or at
worst, LW Plus.. don't remember exactly).
--Toby
BTW I had at home a LBP1 ? that came from the
R&D Labs. Quite the beast it used a toner that was suspended in a liquid.
Not that anyone seems to collect printers, but the LBP1 and the Canon engine were some of
the
first 'inexpensive mass-produced' laser printers.
I don't know of any that still survive.
Before that, if you were lucky enough to be at Stanford, MIT, or CMU, you could use the
Dover
and Altos that were part of Xerox's University Grant Program. ...
23 Jan
23 Jan
1:14 a.m.
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018, Al Kossow wrote:
Not that anyone seems to collect printers, but the
LBP1 and the Canon
engine were some of the first 'inexpensive mass-produced' laser
printers.
I still have the Kyocera F-1010 that my father bought 30 years ago. It
still works well, but the foam strips found in the drum unit and toner
cartridge are troublesome. They disintegrate, with the result that toner
is spread inside the printer...
Christian
22 Jan
22 Jan
11:14 a.m.
New subject: CX laser printers (Was: Sun3 valuations?
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018, Pete Lancashire via cctalk wrote:
Imagen .. yes. The printer we had was a Cannon engine,
the same one HP
used. All our work was for 8-1/2"x11" and its 300DPI
was good enough for our use.
LBP8 ?
The Canon CX mechanism was used by many companies.
Some, such as Apple Laserwriter (Postscript) and HP Laserjet (PCL) used an
added controller in the case.
For a brief while, the LaserWriter was the fastest, most powerful computer
in Apple's limeup. If you are crazy enough, You can communicate directly
with it and program in Postscript (similar to Forth)
Others, such as Cordata/"Corona Data Systems" (software refuses to run on
286 and above), Jetscript, J-laser, Eiconscript (Laserjet and Postscript
emulation), Imagen?, ...
used a brain-dead engine, with controller in the host and connected with a
DC-37.
http://www.printerworks.com/Catalogs/CX-Catalog/CX-VDO.html
The Printerworks CX (and for some others, their SX) catalog, if you can
find a dead-tree copy, is an essential reference.
http://www.printerworks.com/Catalogs/CX-Catalog/CX-AssblyContents.html
Printerworks claims that their improved drum and improved toner solves the
inadequate black-fill problem that caused many to switch to SX based
printers.
If you run into a PURPLE CX printer, that's the Fedex "Zap Mail", which is
modified for 415spi, instead of 300
http://www.printerworks.com/Catalogs/CX-Catalog/CX-Fed-Ex.html
BTW, for yellowed plastic, Printerworks suggests
Sherman Williams poly-urethane paint, color S63EXH4300
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
3:06 p.m.
New subject: CX laser printers (Was: Sun3 valuations?
On 01/22/2018 11:14, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
For a brief while, the LaserWriter was the fastest, most powerful
computer in Apple's limeup.? If you are crazy enough, You can
communicate directly with it and program in Postscript (similar to Forth)
Heck, it was faster than the Macs, PCs, and the VAX-11/750 we had! At
least for one storage-free job at a time.
A few of my fellow students (hello D Fischer) who fiddled with
Postscript would download jobs to compute and print fractals that would
run overnight on the printer... and much of the following day, in some
cases.
--S.
3:44 p.m.
New subject: CX laser printers (Was: Sun3 valuations?
On 2018-01-22 6:06 PM, Steven M Jones via cctalk wrote:
On 01/22/2018 11:14, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Assuming you didn't fill the heap. Garbage collection wasn't implemented
during a job. :)
--T
For a brief while, the LaserWriter was the fastest, most powerful
computer in Apple's limeup.? If you are crazy enough, You can
communicate directly with it and program in Postscript (similar to Forth)
Heck, it was faster than the Macs, PCs, and the VAX-11/750 we had! At
least for one storage-free job at a time.
A few of my fellow students (hello D Fischer) who fiddled with
Postscript would download jobs to compute and print fractals that would
run overnight on the printer... and much of the following day, in some
cases.
--S.
6:35 p.m.
New subject: CX laser printers (Was: Sun3 valuations?
> BTW, for yellowed plastic, Printerworks suggests
> Sherman Williams poly-urethane paint, color S63EXH4300
On Mon, 22 Jan 2018, Ali via cctalk wrote:
Fred is this the off white color of HP printers?
At least close.
It's what Printerworks says that they use to repaint the Fedex purple
printers back to look like the other CX based printers. Check the
details in the link on their site about how they convert the Fedex ones.
http://www.printerworks.com/Catalogs/CX-Catalog/CX-Fed-Ex.html
I assume that their goal is not necessarily to make them pass as HP, but
to be close enough to look OK.
23 Jan
23 Jan
7:21 p.m.
New subject: CX laser printers (Was: Sun3 valuations?
At least close.
It's what Printerworks says that they use to repaint the Fedex purple
printers back to look like the other CX based printers. Check the
Fred,
Thanks for the info. I guess I may have to stop by the local
Sherman-Williams and see what they have!
p.s. while we are at it anybody remember what the color is for the "Apple
Platinum" machines (a la Mac IIs)?
22 Jan
22 Jan
9:57 a.m.
On 2018-Jan-22, at 1:24 AM, Pete Lancashire via cctalk wrote:
My interest would be from having the first Sun systems
in the Portland
Oregon area. It consisted of a 3/260 w a Fujitsu Eagle, and a 90 ips 9
track that I cant remember the make.
Tied to it where 3 3/50s. Initially diskless then I added a 40 MB drive to
each of them.
Networked into the companies network, tapped into on of the yellow coaxes
up in the ceiling.
I all was for running Interleaf. Oh yea printing was via a Imagin (sp?)
print engine.
The early 'compact' laser printer ca. 1984 (table-top sized as opposed to the
20sqft of floor space of the 1st gen of laser printers)?
My recollection is it was "Imagen".
I took it as incorporating "image", and "generate" or
"engine" (my perception).
We had one in the CS department. Nice for the time, but required regular
cleaning/maintenance, dept. tech guy would roll his eyes - " . . again?"
Wasn't the internal controller the early Sun processor board (basically a 68000
single-board computer that preceded or was used in the Sun 1), or am I conflating things?
(We had a Sun 1 quite early as well).
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