23 Sep
2021
23 Sep
'21
6:12 a.m.
On Wed, 2021-09-22 at 12:00 -0500, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
Currently the Hobbyist Program covers Alpha and
Itanium.? We?ve been
told it will cover x86 at some point.? I for one can?t wait for x86,
as I don?t really want to add an Itanium to run some of the newer
software.
Zane
Not even that... looked at the VSI stuff and it is only the newest
Alphas that are supported. 21064/21164 and, I believe, 21264 are not
supported by any release licensed by VSI, and they changed the PRODUCER
key so you can't use those PAKs on DEC/CPQ/HP variants of VMS.
HP stopped issuing new hobbyist PAKs back very early in 2020. I put in
for a renew March or so and never got it. They were so disinterested in
the program that they didn't mention stopping it, so I guess it isn't
surprising that the page is still up.
Isn't VMS DCL pretty close to RSX? Never used RSX, but that is what I
was always told. Anyway, good system, pretty solid, expect to do a LOT
of typing for commands if you're used to UNIX, and don't put any VAX
with a public DCL account on the Internet because there is a huge
security hole in DCL that was never fixed for VAX.
23 Sep
23 Sep
6:23 a.m.
On Sep 23, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Scott Quinn via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
...
Isn't VMS DCL pretty close to RSX? Never used RSX, but that is what I
was always told.
I don't know how close it is to RSX, but I do know that RSTS (V9 and later) DCL was
explicitly modeled on VMS DCL, including the DCL functions for use in command files. They
aren't identical for various reasons, but close, and similar in capability. Another
VMS-inspired RSTS item (also in V9) is BACKUP, which produces backup sets that VMS can
read, and with limitations due to the file system differences can read at least some VMS
backup sets.
paul
8 a.m.
On 23/09/2021 14:23, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
RSX originally used MCR, but later (from about 3.2 IIRC) had DCL as an
option, and that's where VMS DCL came from.
--
Pete
Pete Turnbull
On Sep 23,
2021, at 9:12 AM, Scott Quinn via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
...
Isn't VMS DCL pretty close to RSX? Never used RSX, but that is what I
was always told.
I don't know how close it is to RSX, but I do know that RSTS (V9 and later) DCL was
explicitly modeled on VMS DCL 
2:18 p.m.
On 9/23/2021 8:12 AM, Scott Quinn via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 2021-09-22 at 12:00 -0500, cctalk-request at
classiccmp.org wrote:
The VSI SPD for OpenVMS V8.4-2L1 (the version given with the VSI Commumity License
program) indicated DS10 and newer.? However, as often mentioned, there is a difference
between "supported" and "works".? People in comp.os.vms have installed
the VSI releases on Alphastation 255's Alphaserver 800/1200 and other EV4 and EV5
Alphas.? VSI won't mark them as supported probably because they don't have any
such systems to test on or just don't want to bother testing on such systems.
If you have somehow gotten a copy of VSI OpenVMS V8.4-2L2 then it was specifically built
to support EV6 and newer Alphas.? It will NOT work on older systems such as the
AlphaServer 800/1200/4100 and AlphaStation 255 series.
Currently the Hobbyist Program covers Alpha and
Itanium.? We?ve been
told it will cover x86 at some point.? I for one can?t wait for x86,
as I don?t really want to add an Itanium to run some of the newer
software.
Zane
Not even that... looked at the VSI stuff and it is only the newest
Alphas that are supported. 21064/21164 and, I believe, 21264 are not supported by any release licensed by VSI, and they
changed the PRODUCER
key so you can't use those PAKs on DEC/CPQ/HP variants of VMS.
Part of their licensing agreement with HPE which prohibits them from selling/licensing any
previous version of OpenVMS that they haven't worked on.
HP stopped issuing new hobbyist PAKs back very early
in 2020. I put in
for a renew March or so and never got it. They were so disinterested in
the program that they didn't mention stopping it, so I guess it isn't
surprising that the page is still up.
If it's a VAX PAK you need, contact me and I can send you a copy of the last VAX
OpenVMS Hobbyist PAK sent out.? Note that it expires on 1-JAN-2022 so it's good only
for a few more months.
Isn't VMS DCL pretty close to RSX? Never used RSX, but that is what I
was always told. Anyway, good system, pretty solid, expect to do a LOT
of typing for commands if you're used to UNIX, and don't put any VAX
with a public DCL account on the Internet because there is a huge
security hole in DCL that was never fixed for VAX.
--
John H. Reinhardt
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