14 Jun
2008
14 Jun
'08
7:41 p.m.
Seller pulled the auction....says he will "return the item to the person he bought it
from"
Yah, right - just so happened that he got busted trying to rip people off.
Oh, btw, I just found a 1970 Hemi Cuda Convertible in a barn in central florida - first
$200K gets it!
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: Grant Stockly grant at stockly.com
Sent 6/14/2008 10:00:23 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: (copy of ) Apple I on ebay
Does anyone have high-resolution scans of a known genuine board and an
obtronix replica?
I'll share with everyone...
http://www.stockly.com/images4/080614-Obtronix_Top.jpg
http://www.stockly.com/images4/080614-Vintage_Apple1_Top.jpg
http://www.stockly.com/images4/080614-Vintage_Apple1_Cassette_Topt.GIF
8:15 p.m.
In article <018201c8ce94$19811230$f750f945 at evan>,
"Evan Koblentz" <evan at snarc.net> writes:
Either way, the auction was pulled, and that's the important thing,
right? No victims this way.
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>> Yah,
right - just so happened that he got busted trying to rip people
off.
It appears, at least in my opinion, that the seller was merely uninformed
and/or in denial because HE got duped -- not trying to scam anyone. 
10:27 p.m.
I traded some email tonight with the seller. His replies were interesting
so I asked if I could share them here on cctalk. He said yes.
----------------
In the first message he said (exact quote, unedited):
Well, I didn't want people getting something they don't want or expect,
thats not what I'm about. BTW after talking to my friend locally... The
whole story and truth came out about this computer! So, the guy (a long
close freind of mine ebay account MacEffects bought this from the seller
listed recently, and sold to a guy in a city about 20 miles away... I love
auctions, went to what I thought was an Estate auction... But it was a house
full of scams... And it was being offered as the real deal, and advertised
in local paper, sevral bidders, I won it for $3950 (a low price I thought,
but I didn't know of this Obtonic computer), and figured I'd make some money
being that I have no idea of these computers, or collect (serious) anyways,
I thought I'd sell it... Turns out, I got screwed, he won't take it back and
the cops are 'investigating' him for other things similar to it, anyways my
buddy in town Mark bought it for $1500 off me (he lost a little) but, its
better then nothing, he plans to sell it as well. I lost an additional $160
on eBay listings >.<. I tried going on your site, but I can't figure out the
Forum thing. Are you a member there? Anyways, thanks for helping me out I
appricate it, I got 30 e-mails in 6 hours, so I pulled it, the 4 'experts'
are wrong... pfft, happens, it fooled ME!
Then in a second message he said (again, unedited):
Yeah, its odd... The net makes it a small world, rarity that I ended up with
something a good friend and fellow "noob" collector, both had it, and not
directly. But life happens, anyways, yeah if you could just let them no, I
didn't try to scam anyone, as I pulled the auction within 1.5 days of being
listed, I don't want anyone to get screwed, it happened to me, but it sucks,
and I don't want someone else to go though it. Anyway if you'd let them know
that'd be nice, if not thats fine too. Just don't want a bad rep. Thanks
Again.
------------------
So there ya'll have it. According to this seller, he got fooled. At first
he heard from some self-proclaimed "Apple experts" (probably just fanboys)
insisting it is a REAL unit. Then he got a bunch of emails from we crazy
cctalk'ers who scared him into reality. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Koblentz [mailto:evan at snarc.net]
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:01 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: (copy of ) Apple I on ebay
>> Yah, right - just so happened that he got
busted trying to rip
>> people
off.
It appears, at least in my opinion, that the seller was merely uninformed
and/or in denial because HE got duped -- not trying to scam anyone.
Or at least that's what I want to believe ...
10:52 p.m.
From: evan at snarc.net
I traded some email tonight with the seller. His replies were interesting
so I asked if I could share them here on cctalk. He said yes.
----------------
In the first message he said (exact quote, unedited):
Well, I didn't want people getting something they don't want or expect,
thats not what I'm about. BTW after talking to my friend locally... The
whole story and truth came out about this computer! So, the guy (a long
close freind of mine ebay account MacEffects bought this from the seller
listed recently, and sold to a guy in a city about 20 miles away... I love
auctions, went to what I thought was an Estate auction... But it was a house
full of scams... And it was being offered as the real deal, and advertised
in local paper, sevral bidders, I won it for $3950 (a low price I thought,
but I didn't know of this Obtonic computer), and figured I'd make some money
being that I have no idea of these computers, or collect (serious) anyways,
I thought I'd sell it... Turns out, I got screwed, he won't take it back and
the cops are 'investigating' him for other things similar to it, anyways my
buddy in town Mark bought it for $1500 off me (he lost a little) but, its
better then nothing, he plans to sell it as well. I lost an additional $160
on eBay listings>. Forum thing. Are you a member there? Anyways, thanks for helping me
out I
appricate it, I got 30 e-mails in 6 hours, so I pulled it, the 4 'experts'
are wrong... pfft, happens, it fooled ME!
Then in a second message he said (again, unedited):
Yeah, its odd... The net makes it a small world, rarity that I ended up with
something a good friend and fellow "noob" collector, both had it, and not
directly. But life happens, anyways, yeah if you could just let them no, I
didn't try to scam anyone, as I pulled the auction within 1.5 days of being
listed, I don't want anyone to get screwed, it happened to me, but it sucks,
and I don't want someone else to go though it. Anyway if you'd let them know
that'd be nice, if not thats fine too. Just don't want a bad rep. Thanks
Again.
------------------
So there ya'll have it. According to this seller, he got fooled. At first
he heard from some self-proclaimed "Apple experts" (probably just fanboys)
insisting it is a REAL unit. Then he got a bunch of emails from we crazy
cctalk'ers who scared him into reality. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Koblentz [mailto:evan at snarc.net]
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:01 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: (copy of ) Apple I on ebay
Hi
I still don't know. I doubt he'd be fool enough to put it up for bid in
such a short time. This leads me to think he got fooled. I'm still not
sure if MacEffects wasn't some how involved. This has all happened too
fast. I think the story should be passed to the local news paper. They'd
find out if there was such a person selling fake estate items.
The story is still a little too fishy to me.
Dwight
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>> Yah, right - just so happened that he got
busted trying to rip
>> people
off.
It appears, at least in my opinion, that the seller was merely uninformed
and/or in denial because HE got duped -- not trying to scam anyone.
Or at least that's what I want to believe ...
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