1 May
2006
1 May
'06
1 p.m.
So what does everyone use to manage an exhibit of their collection as
a web browsable thing?
So far I've been hand-editing HTML, but its getting a little laborious
and I'm wondering what sort of open source PHP/MySQL content
management system out there might be apropos for such a thing. I'm
using drupal <http://www.drupal.org> for a web site I'm doing and that
seems to fit well with the collaborative nature of the site, but I'm
not so sure it would be best for managing a collection site.
What do you use?
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1 May
1 May
1:12 p.m.
So what does everyone use to manage an exhibit of
their collection as
a web browsable thing?
[...]
What do you use?
Actually, I don't. I don't do the Web (generally speaking - I do have
bozohttpd serving up the contents of my anon ftp area over http, and I
have a few things up for http fetch with things like
"nc -server 'websend text/plain file.txt' 12345", but that's it).
I
have no particular desire to "exhibit [my] collection as a web
browsable thing".
I know, not very helpful. But you did ask.
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1:32 p.m.
Richard wrote:
So what does everyone use to manage an exhibit of
their collection as
a web browsable thing?
So far I've been hand-editing HTML, but its getting a little laborious
and I'm wondering what sort of open source PHP/MySQL content
management system out there might be apropos for such a thing.
Depends where on the scale you want your site to be I suppose: straight
picture site at one end, or a more descriptive site with a lot of textual
content and images just to brighten the place up a bit at the other.
There are probably numerous image gallery type apps/engines around to do the
former (and several of them use database-driven back ends). The latter case
though I expect you're going to be investing so much time in writing text and
messing around with layouts that you may as well hand craft the whole thing
anyway.
cheers
Jules
2:35 p.m.
In article <4456706D.2040807 at yahoo.co.uk>,
Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk> writes:
There are probably numerous image gallery type
apps/engines around to do the
former (and several of them use database-driven back ends). The latter case
though I expect you're going to be investing so much time in writing text and
messing around with layouts that you may as well hand craft the whole thing
anyway.
This is pretty much a boiler plate task, so having a boiler plate
template saves lots of time.
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5:02 p.m.
Flat file for personal records
--> goes well into -->
excel import for table assignment
--> goes well into -->
HTML export for table creation.
How I used to publish simple databases.
John A.
5:09 p.m.
In article <003f01c66d7b$a4ba0fe0$21fe54a6 at ibm23xhr06>,
"John Allain" <allain at panix.com> writes:
How I used to publish simple databases.
Yeah, but what's evolving on my web space is no longer just a simple
inventory list. I want to include interpretive histories, links to
online documentation and software, hardware serial numbers, photos,
etc. Its becoming a big pile of metadata and although I can still
manage it manually, I can also see that this will no longer be the
case in a little while.
There was a similar "do it yourself" set of advice when it came to
cataloging my books, but instead <http://www.librarything.com> was the
perfect answer to my problems. I don't want to write my own PHP/MySQL
collection/database management system. (Hell, if I didn't want to be
a database monkey in 1978 when learning RSTS/E on the PDP-11/70, I
sure as hell don't want to be a database monkey in 2006!)
If noone is using a content management system that they like and would
care to recommend, that's fine, but I thought I'd ask first.
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8:35 p.m.
I think it really depends on your goals.
Me: I am not interested in becoming a web designer, I'm not particularily
artistic, and I'm an old school "command line" kinda guy who much
prefers text files and direct commands over graphics and "point and click".
So I don't place much emphasis on "eye candy".
On the other hand, I really didn't like the idea of all this interesting equipment
and related information/resources sitting in my basement being of no benefit
to anyone except me ...
So, I put together a web site to share it, however from a "web" point of view,
it is very primitive ... Very simple hand-written HTML - none of the fancy
stuff (which wouldn't work on my browser anyway!)
Most people like it - I have received some criticizm because of it's simplicity,
however it meets my goals of making a lot of the information that I have
collected available to others without my having to spend an inordinate amount
of time on it.
For "management", I do it the same way I manage my desktop computer - I
organize the information into a directory tree where related material is
grouped together. This way, no single part of it is all that complex, and navagation
beween connected topics is relatively straightforward - It's nowhere near
perfect or optimal, however it works. Judging from the amount of correspondance
I get about it, and the number of other references to it that I see go by in various
forums, it appears that it is reaching some people and being found to be useful.
Regards,
Dave
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11:40 p.m.
Richard wrote:
If noone is using a content management system that
they like and would
care to recommend, that's fine, but I thought I'd ask first.
I'm using plone (www.plone.org) for some work projects and it's worked
really well. It's overkill for a single site, so I use the basic Zope
(www.zope.org, what Plone is built on top of) for www.oldskool.org and
it's worked for me for nearly a decade. I built some simple objects
that inherit some simple code from parent objects, so all I have to do
to add new pages to the site is create a new object and it inherits the
header, footer, navigation tree, etc. from the parent objects.
(Previously, for the same site, I used server-side includes that called
perl scripts for things like displaying a fancy table from a flat-file
textfile database, which also worked well for 2 years.)
If you want something prototyped quickly and like jumping on the
buzzwerd teknology bandwagon, try playing with Ruby On Rails.
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2 May
2 May
11:22 a.m.
It was thus said that the Great Richard once stated:
In article <003f01c66d7b$a4ba0fe0$21fe54a6 at ibm23xhr06>,
"John Allain" <allain at panix.com> writes:
I converted my website [1] from hand crafted HTML pages to XML, then use
XSLT to convert it to HTML. A typical fragment would look like:
<page filename="blah">
<title>The title of the page</title>
<publicationDate year="2000">March 3, 2000</publicationDate>
<keywords>sample, keywords, example</keywords>
<description>A sample page that to show the structure I use</description>
<about>
<p>Some verbiage in HTML format about the page.</p>
</about>
<body>
<p>The actual contents of the page, in HTML.</p>
</body>
</page>
Another fragment (an actual fragment from my photo gallery which generates
http://www.conman.org/people/spc/photos/top10/car.html):
<page photo="yes" id="Chevy Nova" filename="car">
<title>A Long Lost Chevy Nova</title>
<tag>Vroom vroom</tag>
<keywords>car, junk yard</keywords>
<description>“A moving car gathers no
moss.”</description>
<location>Junk Yard, Powerline Rd south of Copans, Pompano, Florida, United
States</location>
<img type="jpg" width="678" height="532" />
<thumb type="jpg" width="100" height="100" />
<publicationDate year="1991">1991</publicationDate>
<body>
<p>Okay, so it's technically not moss on the car, but this picture
does get several comments, mostly “How did you do that?”
and “That's not real, is it?” Yes, it is real. And that
is the real picture; it hasn't been doctored at all.</p>
<p>So, how did I get that picture? Well, I went with my friend <a
href="http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/4891/">…
to a local junk yard and happened to have my camera along. This car
was perched up on a rack, covered in ivy.</p>
</body>
</page>
The XSLT files not only convert everything to HTML, but also generate all
the navigation links as well. For the XML file, I just created whatever
tags I needed so I can include as much meta data as I want within each
<page> segment. Writing the XSLT was a bitch, but now that I have that
done, I don't have to worry about it (and the "look" of the site is
provided
by CSS anyway). Adding new contents is quite easy now.
-spc (Once the HTML files are generated, I then use rsync to upload only
thost pages that actually changed to the server)
[1] http://www.conman.org/people/spc/
How I used to publish simple databases.
Yeah, but what's evolving on my web space is no longer just a simple
inventory list. I want to include interpretive histories, links to
online documentation and software, hardware serial numbers, photos,
etc. Its becoming a big pile of metadata and although I can still
manage it manually, I can also see that this will no longer be the
case in a little while.
There was a similar "do it yourself" set of advice when it came to
cataloging my books, but instead <http://www.librarything.com> was the
perfect answer to my problems. I don't want to write my own PHP/MySQL
collection/database management system. (Hell, if I didn't want to be
a database monkey in 1978 when learning RSTS/E on the PDP-11/70, I
sure as hell don't want to be a database monkey in 2006!)
If noone is using a content management system that they like and would
care to recommend, that's fine, but I thought I'd ask first. 
11:59 a.m.
There was a similar "do it yourself" set of
advice when it came to
cataloging my books, but instead <http://www.librarything.com> was the
perfect answer to my problems. I don't want to write my own PHP/MySQL
collection/database management system. (Hell, if I didn't want to be
a database monkey in 1978 when learning RSTS/E on the PDP-11/70, I
sure as hell don't want to be a database monkey in 2006!)
If noone is using a content management system that they like and would
care to recommend, that's fine, but I thought I'd ask first.
It sounds like the Encoded Archival Description (EAD) record format
might be useful to you. There are some tools which deal with it,
though they may be more than you want to tackle. Dspace, for example,
is a fairly complex system, but can probably do what you want.
Then you're not writing (much) code, and you're all standardized.
De
12:21 p.m.
In article <200605021859.k42Ix23w006505 at yagi.h-net.msu.edu>,
Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu> writes:
It sounds like the Encoded Archival Description (EAD)
record format
might be useful to you. [...]
Thanks, that looks very useful indeed.
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1 May
1 May
1:38 p.m.
What do you use?
Homegrown scripts and handwritten pages. I don't go for those big content
management systems, as they tend to be interface- and maintenance-heavy. I
liken them to using a Mercedes to swat a gnat.
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allain＠panix.com -
dave06a＠dunfield.com -
drb＠msu.edu -
julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk -
legalize＠xmission.com -
mouse＠Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA -
spc＠conman.org -
spectre＠floodgap.com -
trixter＠oldskool.org