8 Sep
2015
8 Sep
'15
6:53 a.m.
From: Jerry Weiss
Check if the -5v charge pump is stable and supplying
the correct voltage.
I recall a problem ... in which the on board pump went slowly bad.
Depending on the data content and tolerance margins for the memory
chips, we saw very erratic problems.
That doesn't sound like my problem; this board was _consistently_ failing
hard (would not write _any_ data, no-how, no-where), and then *poof* it was
pretty consistently totally working (passing memory diags, etc).
And the change from 'consistently not working at all' to 'working
completely'
happened when I 'touched' (see below) that pin with a probe. So either i) it
was pure coincidence (possible, I suppose), or ii) there was some wierd
causality.
From: Jon Elson
1. There was a conductive hair on the board, and you
knocked it off
with the probe.
I'd brushed the board pretty comprehensively with a toothbrush to get all the
dust off. (Yeah, I know, static - but it's pretty humid here right at the
moment! ;-)
2. There was a bad solder joint and the pressure of
the probe broke
through the oxide. ... This is my highest probability guess. ...
3. The chip has a bad internal wire bond, and the pressure on the lead
made it work.
Well, I was using a DIP clip, so the pressure on the pin was pretty
consistent before and after. Yeah, attaching the 'scope probe to the second
pin would have wiggled the clip a tiny bit, but I'm still dubious.
My current best guess, after sleeping on it, relates to the fact that the
'magic' pin was an output from a delay line. Delay lines, in that era, were
apparently potted confections of inductors and capacitors. So maybe the extra
current drain with the probe on somehow affected one (or more) of the
capacitors in the delay line? A total WAG, but it's very mysterious!
Noel
8 Sep
8 Sep
12:21 p.m.
On 09/08/2015 05:53 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
My current best guess, after sleeping on it, relates to the fact that the
'magic' pin was an output from a delay line. Delay lines, in that era, were
apparently potted confections of inductors and capacitors. So maybe the extra
current drain with the probe on somehow affected one (or more) of the
capacitors in the delay line? A total WAG, but it's very mysterious!
Most potted delay lines are made the same way. You take a
piece of aluminum foil-coated paper and roll it into a
tube. You then wind extremely fine magnet wire onto the
tube. The foil is a ground plane, and one of the
distributed capacitor plates. The wire is the distributed
inductor and the other capacitor "plate". This technology
was used in the first color TVs, and I think pretty much
everybody used the same technology for digital delays.
Well, it could be the delay line is going bad.
Jon
10 Sep
10 Sep
9:32 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
Hello, all,
I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really
weird problem has turned up. The guy who administers the
ring, David Brooks, is in Australia, and uses iinet.net.au
as his ISP. All members of the web ring link to his
personal web pages at iinet. Apparently, due to government
censorship or a private war between iinet and US content
providers, iinet or Australia are blocking access from at
least some sites in the US. So, from my work or home
(totally different IPs) I cannot access ANY personal pages
at iinet, but a few general help pages there can be
accessed. As far as I can tell, nobody else in the world is
being affected.
Some webring members are now using classiccmp mirrors to
host the affected files to get around this problem.
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in
the US, to check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
This is David Brooks' homebuilt 16-bit CPU.
Please send me the results of your test, no matter whether
it works or DOESN'T work, I am looking for statistics on how
much of the US is being blocked. Also, let me know where
you are. I am assuming this is only a problem in the US,
but that is not guaranteed. I also am not able to make
email contact with David Brooks, so it seems email is ALSO
being blocked.
If you want to do some more research, just Google
members.iinet and you will see a lot of hits of the form:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~some_name
and see if you can access ANY of them. From both my home
and work IP, I can not get ANY of these pages to respond.
If you want to see my page, it is :
http://pico-systems.com/ring/ring.html
Thanks for any help or info you can offer!
Jon
9:46 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
It didn't work for me ... just hangs infinitely at "Waiting for
members.iinet.net.au..." ... feels like packets just being dropped
outright. I am on Comast Business, SE MI, USA.... my packets seem to get as
far as Cogent in LA but then from there, nothing.
Incidentally, it seems to work okay from the University of Michigan, A2 MI,
on a Merit -> GTT -> IINet route.
Best,
Sean
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Jon Elson <elson at pico-systems.com> wrote:
Hello, all,
I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really weird problem
has turned up. The guy who administers the ring, David Brooks, is in
Australia, and uses iinet.net.au as his ISP. All members of the web ring
link to his personal web pages at iinet. Apparently, due to government
censorship or a private war between iinet and US content providers, iinet
or Australia are blocking access from at least some sites in the US. So,
from my work or home (totally different IPs) I cannot access ANY personal
pages at iinet, but a few general help pages there can be accessed. As far
as I can tell, nobody else in the world is being affected.
Some webring members are now using classiccmp mirrors to host the affected
files to get around this problem.
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in the US, to
check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
This is David Brooks' homebuilt 16-bit CPU.
Please send me the results of your test, no matter whether it works or
DOESN'T work, I am looking for statistics on how much of the US is being
blocked. Also, let me know where you are. I am assuming this is only a
problem in the US, but that is not guaranteed. I also am not able to make
email contact with David Brooks, so it seems email is ALSO being blocked.
If you want to do some more research, just Google members.iinet and you
will see a lot of hits of the form:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~some_name
and see if you can access ANY of them. From both my home and work IP, I
can not get ANY of these pages to respond.
If you want to see my page, it is :
http://pico-systems.com/ring/ring.html
Thanks for any help or info you can offer!
Jon
10:07 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 11/09/2015 11:02 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
Hello, all,
I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really
weird problem has turned up. The guy who administers the
ring, David Brooks, is in Australia, and uses iinet.net.au
as his ISP.
iiNet have been outspoken about users' rights and privacy in the face of
the War on Piracy. While they don't condone piracy, they have serious
concerns about the way it's being dealt with (or at least that's my
understanding).
I get the impression some ISP's are blocking access to iiNet. I don't
see how this could do anything other than hurt the end users, but that
seems to be the tactic the content owners have taken in the past so I
wouldn't be surprised.
Can you do a traceroute to members.iinet.net.au? In case DNS is blocked,
the IP address is 203.0.178.90. I've been on iiNet since they bought out
my previous ISP.
Cheers,
Alexis.
11:03 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
I am forwarding this to a friend in Australia for him to do more
extensive comment and diagnosis.
Try http://traceroute.org/ for diagnosing this. It allows you to
perform traceroute from cooperating servers across the world, including
australia.
there are some sites you will have to ferret out to allow you to bypass
country IP blocking.
And yet australia is one of the more stupid countries (exceeded only by
Germany and the EU) about censorship, and fouling up the works.
Yes the page timed out on me. I'll see if I can find the router that
did it and post an update.
thanks
Jim
On 9/10/2015 7:07 PM, Alexis Kotlowy wrote:
On 11/09/2015 11:02 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
Hello, all,
I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really
weird problem has turned up. The guy who administers the
ring, David Brooks, is in Australia, and uses iinet.net.au
as his ISP.
iiNet have been outspoken about users' rights and privacy in the
face of
the War on Piracy. While they don't condone piracy, they have serious
concerns about the way it's being dealt with (or at least that's my
understanding).
I get the impression some ISP's are blocking access to iiNet. I don't
see how this could do anything other than hurt the end users, but that
seems to be the tactic the content owners have taken in the past so I
wouldn't be surprised.
Can you do a traceroute to members.iinet.net.au? In case DNS is blocked,
the IP address is 203.0.178.90. I've been on iiNet since they bought out
my previous ISP.
Cheers,
Alexis.
11:08 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 9/10/2015 9:03 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
I am forwarding this to a friend in Australia for him
to do more
extensive comment and diagnosis.
Try http://traceroute.org/ for diagnosing this. It allows you to
perform traceroute from cooperating servers across the world, including
australia.
there are some sites you will have to ferret out to allow you to bypass
country IP blocking.
And yet australia is one of the more stupid countries (exceeded only by
Germany and the EU) about censorship, and fouling up the works.
Yes the page timed out on me. I'll see if I can find the router that
did it and post an update.
thanks
Jim
What I find more annoying, is this cloud crap.
The web site is down, click here to try a update.
YOU TURKEYS! THAT IS WHY ARE CACHE-ING THE STUFF.
Ben.
11 Sep
11 Sep
7:46 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
Ben wrote....
----
What I find more annoying, is this cloud crap.
----
"There is no such thing as 'the cloud', it's just someone else's
computer."
Love that quote... so true... and I sell cloud services ;)
J
11:07 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
Me too, especially as a working sys admin ... the business model is not
really original ... just the old time "service bureau" or "timesharing
company" but we have to have a hip new marketing catchname for it, LOL...
Well, if I've learned one thing, the computer industry is kind of like the
fashion industry ... cyclical ... one year it will be distributed services;
ten years later it's centralization ... one year "cloud" is the fad ... but
I think in ten years we'll all be moving to pull our services back in
house, LOL.
Best,
Sean
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Jay West <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Ben wrote....
----
What I find more annoying, is this cloud crap.
----
"There is no such thing as 'the cloud', it's just someone else's
computer."
Love that quote... so true... and I sell cloud services ;)
J
12 Sep
12 Sep
3:30 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
Can I beg to differ, having had a quick play with Azure I quite like "cloud"
solutions.
However they usually don't deliver what managers expect as usually it is only the
hardware that?s in the cloud.
You don't get the Systems Admin done for you. You will often have to back it up. Worse
still its expensive.
Where I last worked we basically ran "servers as a service" using a VMWare farm.
We tried to fully cost our servers but the price we came up with was still about 10% of
commercial cloud providers.
I use a "hosted" web site for the local Radio Club on a shared server in the
cloud. Its about $100 dollars a year.
I honestly can't beat it. We have MySql and run a main web server using
"Drupal" for the "Normal" club stuff, plus a second with
"Moodle" for the UK Ham Radio exams we run training for.
It also hosts my Vintage computing pages...
I would probably need three boxes at home to do the same thing. Give me a cloud any
day....
... which reminds me I havn't backed it up for a while.....
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Sean
Caron
Sent: 11 September 2015 16:08
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>; Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu>
Subject: Re: internet blocking problem ?
Me too, especially as a working sys admin ... the business model is not really
original ... just the old time "service bureau" or "timesharing
company" but
we have to have a hip new marketing catchname for it, LOL...
Well, if I've learned one thing, the computer industry is kind of like the
fashion industry ... cyclical ... one year it will be distributed services; ten years
later it's centralization ... one year "cloud" is the fad ... but I think
in ten years
we'll all be moving to pull our services back in house, LOL.
Best,
Sean
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Jay West <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Ben wrote....
> ----
> What I find more annoying, is this cloud crap.
> ----
> "There is no such thing as 'the cloud', it's just someone
else's computer."
>
> Love that quote... so true... and I sell cloud services ;)
>
> J
>
>
>
>
11 Sep
11 Sep
12:47 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
"There is no such thing as 'the cloud',
it's just someone else's
computer."
Love that quote... so true... and I sell cloud services ;)
Jay,
I am going to have to use that quote with my friends who like having their life on the
cloud...
-Ali
10 Sep
10 Sep
11:14 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 10 September 2015 at 22:07, Alexis Kotlowy
<thrashbarg at kaput.homeunix.org> wrote:
iiNet have been outspoken about users' rights and
privacy in the face of
the War on Piracy. While they don't condone piracy, they have serious
concerns about the way it's being dealt with (or at least that's my
understanding).
I get the impression some ISP's are blocking access to iiNet. I don't
see how this could do anything other than hurt the end users, but that
seems to be the tactic the content owners have taken in the past so I
wouldn't be surprised.
It'll only get worse if the TPP goes through?
Can you do a traceroute to members.iinet.net.au? In
case DNS is blocked,
the IP address is 203.0.178.90. I've been on iiNet since they bought out
my previous ISP.
Doing a traceroute from my home, which is serviced by TekSavvy (in
Canada); my connection to members.iinet.net.au dies at a router owned
by Hurricane Electric, Inc. of California. Since it seems to bounce
through a few of their routers, I'm assuming that whoever Hurricane
Electric hands off the packets to kills it. (Based on my traceroute;
other results may vary.)
From a friend of mine on RoadRunner (I won't say
where, but in the USA
of course); their trace dies as it leaves the Cogent
Communications
network (since it bounces through a few of their servers before
dying).
Regards,
Christian
--
Christian M. Gauger-Cosgrove
STCKON08DS0
Contact information available upon request.
11:49 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On Thu, 9/10/15, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk359 at gmail.com> wrote:
From a friend of mine on RoadRunner (I won't say
where, but in the USA
of course); their trace dies as it leaves the Cogent Communications
network (since it bounces through a few of their servers before dying).
I'm seeing the same behavior from Verizon-provided service.
BLS
11 Sep
11 Sep
12:11 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
Same behaviour from comcast.com in Oregon (a cablemodem connection) as
well as from peakinternet.com (local isp.) Also have tried using one of
my AWS (amazon) virtuals and get the similar results.
comcast.com traceroute stops at:
be2017.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.237)
my amazon instance stops at:
be2019.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.10)
peakinternet.com stops at:
100ge11-1.core1.lax2.he.net (72.52.92.122)
FWIW I noticed this started several weeks ago - been trying to get to
look at current crop of home builts and could not find a way to the web
ring. iinet.net.au is reachable but not members.iinet.net.au
The amazon instance is in the US West region (north-central Oregon I
presume.)
Tomorrow I'll fire up a proxy on the east coast and see what happens.
-Gary
On 09/10/2015 08:49 PM, Brian L. Stuart wrote:
On Thu, 9/10/15, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
<captainkirk359am at gmail.com> wrote:
From a friend of mine on RoadRunner (I won't
say where, but in the USA
of course); their trace dies as it leaves the Cogent Communications
network (since it bounces through a few of their servers before dying).
I'm
seeing the same behavior from Verizon-provided service.
BLS
12:43 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
Oh, BTW, here's the traceroute for my (successful) access. Oregon,
again, but through Centurylink DSL:
traceroute to 203.0.178.90 (203.0.178.90), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 10.0.0.252 (10.0.0.252) 0.451 ms 0.392 ms 0.364 ms
2 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 5.304 ms 10.255 ms 14.160 ms
3 67.42.192.200 (67.42.192.200) 57.234 ms 60.042 ms 62.991 ms
4 eugn-agw1.inet.qwest.net (67.42.193.57) 63.939 ms 64.865 ms
65.806 ms
5 sea-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net (67.14.41.18) 81.767 ms 83.713 ms
73.671 ms
6 ae1.sea23.ip4.gtt.net (199.229.230.213) 113.670 ms 69.684 ms
70.529 ms
7 et-3-3-0.lax22.ip4.gtt.net (89.149.128.81) 95.460 ms 84.431 ms
94.272 ms
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 ae0.cr1.mel4.on.ii.net (150.101.33.10) 289.884 ms 289.696 ms
289.659 ms
14 ae5.cr1.adl6.on.ii.net (150.101.37.237) 289.656 ms 289.761 ms
289.644 ms
15 ae0.cr1.adl2.on.ii.net (150.101.33.2) 289.679 ms 289.713 ms
289.874 ms
16 aex.cr1.per1.on.ii.net (150.101.33.19) 289.754 ms 290.740 ms
349.686 ms
17 ae0.cr1.per4.on.ii.net (150.101.34.170) 330.610 ms 288.678 ms
289.842 ms
18 po6-10.per-qv1-bdr1.on.ii.net (150.101.33.91) 289.816 ms 289.791
ms 277.701 ms
19 te1-0-1-113.per-qv1-bdr2.on.ii.net (203.215.4.41) 279.471 ms
282.395 ms 283.352 ms
20 gi5-2.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.8) 284.290 ms
gi3-5.icp-qv1-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.4) 285.234 ms
gi5-2.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.8) 288.152 ms
21 members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 291.103 ms 292.040 ms 292.977 ms
22 vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 293.899 ms
members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 294.856 ms
vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 295.797 ms
23 members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 297.746 ms 301.692 ms
vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 302.626 ms
24 members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 279.594 ms
vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 281.623 ms 284.800 ms
25 members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 286.828 ms 287.148 ms 287.120 ms
26 vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 288.223 ms
289.297 ms members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 289.818 ms
27 vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 289.838 ms
members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 289.251 ms 292.341 ms
28 vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 289.256 ms
members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 293.338 ms
vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 290.765 ms
29 members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 290.218 ms 314.638 ms
vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 311.164 ms
30 members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 307.669 ms 304.158 ms 309.702 ms
Don't know if this helps or not. Odd that Comcast isn't allowing things
through.
--Chuck
12:51 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 09/10/2015 11:11 PM, Gary Oliver wrote:
FWIW I noticed this started several weeks ago - been
trying to get to look at current crop of home builts and
could not find a way to the web ring. iinet.net.au is
reachable but not members.iinet.net.au
Yup, that is right, this all worked a couple months ago, for
certain. I can't remember the last time it did work, but it
wasn't all that long ago. The members.iinet resolves to a
different IP address.
Jon
1:04 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 09/10/2015 11:11 PM, Gary Oliver wrote:
FWIW I noticed this started several weeks ago - been
trying to get to look at current crop of home builts and
could not find a way to the web ring.
Here's the latest list out of the
javascript file that one
of the ring members in Germany got me a copy from Dave
Brooks' site.
sites[index++] = "http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html"
sites[index++] = "http://www.homebrewcpu.com/"
sites[index++] = "http://www.aholme.co.uk/Mk1/Architecture.htm"
sites[index++] = "http://www.timefracture.org/D16.html"
sites[index++] = "http://www.6502.org/users/dieter/"
sites[index++] = "http://cpuville.com/index.htm"
sites[index++] = "http://www.mycpu.eu"
sites[index++] = "http://www.galacticelectronics.com/Simple4BitCPU.HTML"
sites[index++] = "http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~harry/Relay/index.html"
sites[index++] = "http://www.ibmsystem3.nl/hjs22/"
sites[index++] = "http://www.wellytop.com/Fnagaton/DIYComputer.html"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.schlaefendorf.de/relaisrechner/dokumentation/index.html"
sites[index++] = "http://www.nablaman.com/relay/"
sites[index++] = "http://www.ostracodfiles.com/adeptpage/menu.html"
sites[index++] = "http://www.bigbit.com/bigbit/BIGBITComputer.htm"
sites[index++] = "http://www.praxibetel.org/toro/toro.html"
sites[index++] = "http://alessiolombardo.altervista.org/ttlcomputer/index.htm"
sites[index++] = "http://www.pilawa.org/computer/"
sites[index++] = "http://www.bigmessowires.com/bmow1/"
sites[index++] = "http://www.saccade.com/writing/projects/CS428/WireWrap.html"
sites[index++] = "http://www.northdownfarm.co.uk/rory/tim/tim-8.htm"
//sites[index++] = "http://neazoi.com/transistorizedcpu/"
sites[index++] = "http://www.ttlcpu.com/"
sites[index++] = "http://www.northdownfarm.co.uk/rory/tim/tinytim.htm"
sites[index++] = "http://www.ostracodfiles.com/elitepage/menu.html"
sites[index++] = "http://other-1.webs.com/"
sites[index++] = "http://isquared.weebly.com/index.html"
//sites[index++] = "http://penny.bplaced.net/www/index.php?id=8-bit-ttl-cpu"
sites[index++] = "http://relaysbc.sourceforge.net/"
sites[index++] = "http://canyouseethestars.com/project-the-kino-74/"
sites[index++] = "http://digitarworld.uw.hu/ttlcpu.html"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.clivemaxfield.com/diycalculator/popup-m-hrrgcomp.shtml"
sites[index++] = "http://pico-systems.com/ring/ring.html"
sites[index++] = "http://www.megaprocessor.com/homebrew.html"
sites[index++] = "http://www.relaiscomputer.nl/"
sites[index++] = "http://www.lovqvist.net/"
// sites[index++] = "http://k1.dyndns.org/Develop/Hardware/K1-Computer/"
// sites[index++] = "http://www.armandoacosta.com/cpu/index.php"
// sites[index++] = "http://web.mac.com/teisenmann/iWeb/adeptpage/menu.html"
// sites[index++] = "http://tripu.triphoenix.de/Main_Page"
// sites[index++] = "http://wiesi.dyndns.org/4bit/index.html"
// sites[index++] = "http://marc.cleave.me.uk/cpu/index.htm"
1:16 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
Same here (in Toronto); can get to iinet.net.au
but not members.
But you can get at the ring from Jon's page; if
you like blinkenlights check out the
megaprocessor: an LED for _every_ signal, even
inside the CPU etc:
http://www.megaprocessor.com/homebrew.html
Here's a video:
http://www.megaprocessor.com/Images/flashing_lights.mp4
Wow!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Elson" <elson at pico-systems.com>
To: <General at classiccmp.org>;
"Discussion at classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: internet blocking problem ?
On 09/10/2015 11:11 PM, Gary Oliver wrote:
FWIW I noticed this started several weeks ago -
been trying to get to look at current crop of
home builts and could not find a way to the web
ring.
Here's the latest list out of the javascript
file that one of the ring members in Germany got
me a copy from Dave Brooks' site.
sites[index++] =
"http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html"
sites[index++] = "http://www.homebrewcpu.com/"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.aholme.co.uk/Mk1/Architecture.htm"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.timefracture.org/D16.html"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.6502.org/users/dieter/"
sites[index++] = "http://cpuville.com/index.htm"
sites[index++] = "http://www.mycpu.eu"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.galacticelectronics.com/Simple4BitCPU.HTML"
sites[index++] =
"http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~harry/Relay/index.html"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.ibmsystem3.nl/hjs22/"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.wellytop.com/Fnagaton/DIYComputer.html"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.schlaefendorf.de/relaisrechner/dokumentation/index.html"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.nablaman.com/relay/"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.ostracodfiles.com/adeptpage/menu.html"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.bigbit.com/bigbit/BIGBITComputer.htm"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.praxibetel.org/toro/toro.html"
sites[index++] =
"http://alessiolombardo.altervista.org/ttlcomputer/index.htm"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.pilawa.org/computer/"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.bigmessowires.com/bmow1/"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.saccade.com/writing/projects/CS428/WireWrap.html"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.northdownfarm.co.uk/rory/tim/tim-8.htm"
//sites[index++] =
"http://neazoi.com/transistorizedcpu/"
sites[index++] = "http://www.ttlcpu.com/"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.northdownfarm.co.uk/rory/tim/tinytim.htm"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.ostracodfiles.com/elitepage/menu.html"
sites[index++] = "http://other-1.webs.com/"
sites[index++] =
"http://isquared.weebly.com/index.html"
//sites[index++] =
"http://penny.bplaced.net/www/index.php?id=8-bit-ttl-cpu"
sites[index++] =
"http://relaysbc.sourceforge.net/"
sites[index++] =
"http://canyouseethestars.com/project-the-kino-74/"
sites[index++] =
"http://digitarworld.uw.hu/ttlcpu.html"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.clivemaxfield.com/diycalculator/popup-m-hrrgcomp.shtml"
sites[index++] =
"http://pico-systems.com/ring/ring.html"
sites[index++] =
"http://www.megaprocessor.com/homebrew.html"
sites[index++] = "http://www.relaiscomputer.nl/"
sites[index++] = "http://www.lovqvist.net/"
// sites[index++] =
"http://k1.dyndns.org/Develop/Hardware/K1-Computer/"
// sites[index++] =
"http://www.armandoacosta.com/cpu/index.php"
// sites[index++] =
"http://web.mac.com/teisenmann/iWeb/adeptpage/menu.html"
// sites[index++] =
"http://tripu.triphoenix.de/Main_Page"
// sites[index++] =
"http://wiesi.dyndns.org/4bit/index.html"
// sites[index++] =
"http://marc.cleave.me.uk/cpu/index.htm"
12:40 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
I fired up a proxy on amazon ec2 virginia this morning and it works fine
from there. Strange geographic filtering...
-Gary
On 09/10/2015 09:11 PM, Gary Oliver wrote:
The amazon instance is in the US West region
(north-central Oregon I
presume.)
Tomorrow I'll fire up a proxy on the east coast and see what happens.
-Gary
12:55 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
Works fine, save for the individual web-ring pages not being able to
populate the buttons correctly. Going directly to a members... page does
work from this proxy.
-Gary
On 09/11/2015 09:40 AM, Gary Oliver wrote:
I fired up a proxy on amazon ec2 virginia this morning
and it works
fine from there. Strange geographic filtering...
-Gary
On 09/10/2015 09:11 PM, Gary Oliver wrote:
The amazon instance is in the US West region
(north-central Oregon I
presume.)
Tomorrow I'll fire up a proxy on the east coast and see what happens.
-Gary
15 Sep
15 Sep
1:11 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
I don't know if anyone got to the bottom of this blockage, but I noticed
this morning that the site "members.iinet.net.au" is now accessible from
my comcast (oregon) location. It's still broken elsewhere because few
of the sites I visited that should be on the ring have working webring
links, so the javascript inclusion must not yet be universally accessable...
-Gary
On 09/11/2015 09:55 AM, Gary Oliver wrote:
Works fine, save for the individual web-ring pages not
being able to
populate the buttons correctly. Going directly to a members... page
does work from this proxy.
9:25 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 09/15/2015 12:11 PM, Gary Oliver wrote:
I don't know if anyone got to the bottom of this
blockage,
but I noticed this morning that the site
"members.iinet.net.au" is now accessible from my comcast
(oregon) location. It's still broken elsewhere because
few of the sites I visited that should be on the ring have
working webring links, so the javascript inclusion must
not yet be universally accessable...
Yes, it appears that iinet either fixed what was wrong or
got whoever else was responsible to get it fixed. It now
works from my home and also from work, where both did not
work consistently for several weeks. I don't know if I will
find out WHAT was wrong, but apparently David Brooks made
inquiries at iinet on Thursday or Friday, and somebody did
something.
I think it was VERY important that with all of your help, we
were able to QUANTIFY that this was a widespread blockage.
Thanks!!!
Jon
11:37 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
im in wpg canada and can see it through rogers mobile
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Jon Elson <elson at pico-systems.com> wrote:
On 09/15/2015 12:11 PM, Gary Oliver wrote:
I don't know if anyone got to the bottom of
this blockage, but I noticed
this morning that the site "members.iinet.net.au" is now accessible from
my comcast (oregon) location. It's still broken elsewhere because few of
the sites I visited that should be on the ring have working webring links,
so the javascript inclusion must not yet be universally accessable...
Yes, it appears that iinet either fixed what was wrong or got whoever
else was
responsible to get it fixed. It now works from my home and also
from work, where both did not work consistently for several weeks. I don't
know if I will find out WHAT was wrong, but apparently David Brooks made
inquiries at iinet on Thursday or Friday, and somebody did something.
I think it was VERY important that with all of your help, we were able to
QUANTIFY that this was a widespread blockage.
Thanks!!!
Jon
10 Sep
10 Sep
11:22 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 09/10/2015 09:07 PM, Alexis Kotlowy wrote:
Can you do a traceroute to members.iinet.net.au? In
case
DNS is blocked, the IP address is 203.0.178.90. I've been
on iiNet since they bought out my previous ISP. Cheers,
Alexis.
Traceroute goes out to 30 hops and stops, and I couldn't
figure out from the man page how to increase it.
Not a DNS problem.
Thanks,
Jon
11:38 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 11/09/2015 12:52 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 09/10/2015 09:07 PM, Alexis Kotlowy wrote:
I'm poking around with this service:
http://www.cogentco.com/en/network/looking-glass
Probing telstra.com (a major Australian telecommunications company) gets
through, and even iinet.net.au gets through, but members.iinet.net.au
stops as it goes to leave California.
Are you able to reach iinet.net.au?
Alexis.
Can you do a traceroute to members.iinet.net.au?
In case
DNS is blocked, the IP address is 203.0.178.90. I've been
on iiNet since they bought out my previous ISP. Cheers,
Alexis.
Traceroute goes out to 30 hops and stops, and I couldn't
figure out from the man page how to increase it.
Not a DNS problem.
Thanks,
Jon
11 Sep
11 Sep
12:10 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 11/09/2015 12:52 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
I'm poking around with this service:
http://www.cogentco.com/en/network/looking-glass
Probing telstra.com (a major Australian telecommunications company) gets
through, and even iinet.net.au gets through, but members.iinet.net.au
stops as it goes to leave California.
Are you able to reach iinet.net.au?
Alexis.
Also, I'm talking to a network-oriented friend in Canada who reckons
it's iiNet who are blocking packets. I'd like to know why!
Alexis.
12:49 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 09/10/2015 11:10 PM, Alexis Kotlowy wrote:
Also, I'm talking to a network-oriented friend in
Canada
who reckons it's iiNet who are blocking packets. I'd like
to know why! Alexis.
iinet has posted several blogs and position papers decrying
poorly thought out responses to intellectual property
piracy, and draconian laws that apparently were enacted in
Australia in June. They are apparently engaged in a war of
words (and maybe more things they are not talking about)
with the MPAA and other IP representatives.
I suppose if iinet is worried about being sued for their
user's making pirated content available for download, then
blocking people outside .AU from seeing member's web pages
might be a rational way to stop US groups from detecting the
pirated content.
OR, maybe some groups in the US have convinced some ISPs in
the US to block certain .AU web sites.
Ah ha! I see that iinet.net.au and members.iinet.net.au
resolve to DIFFERENT IP addresses.
(Neither of these respond to pings, but that is not that
unusual, lots of facilities don't allow pinging from outside.)
Jon
12:41 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 09/10/2015 10:38 PM, Alexis Kotlowy wrote:
On 11/09/2015 12:52 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
Yes. Actually, it seems that MEMBERS.iinet.net.au is what
is being blocked, although I seem to not be able to email
David Brooks through his iinet email address, either. But,
the iinet main page does work for me.
A number of other people seem to indicate if their routing
takes them through cogent that it fails, so this may be the
key node that is blocking iinet.
Jon
Jon
On 09/10/2015 09:07 PM, Alexis Kotlowy wrote:
I'm poking around with this service:
http://www.cogentco.com/en/network/looking-glass
Probing telstra.com (a major Australian telecommunications company) gets
through, and even iinet.net.au gets through, but members.iinet.net.au
stops as it goes to leave California.
Are you able to reach iinet.net.au?
Can you do a traceroute to members.iinet.net.au?
In case
DNS is blocked, the IP address is 203.0.178.90. I've been
on iiNet since they bought out my previous ISP. Cheers,
Alexis.
Traceroute goes out to 30 hops and stops, and I couldn't
figure out from the man page how to increase it.
Not a DNS problem.
Thanks,
Jon
8:54 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
Can you do a traceroute to members.iinet.net.au? In
case DNS is blocked,
the IP address is 203.0.178.90. I've been on iiNet since they bought out
my previous ISP.
Here's a traceroute sample:
1 75-145-20-102-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (75.145.20.102)
0.554 ms 1.468 ms 1.878 ms
2 96.120.101.173 (96.120.101.173) 12.365 ms 13.275 ms 13.457 ms
3 te-0-2-0-4-sur02.tacoma.wa.seattle.comcast.net (68.87.207.193) 21.075
ms 21.161 ms 21.245 ms
4 be-1-sur03.tacoma.wa.seattle.comcast.net (69.139.164.210) 19.539 ms
20.673 ms 20.886 ms
5 be-28-ar01.seattle.wa.seattle.comcast.net (69.139.164.205) 25.549 ms
25.034 ms 25.142 ms
6 be-33650-cr02.seattle.wa.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.93.165) 25.681 ms
23.712 ms 23.783 ms
7 he-0-13-0-0-pe04.seattle.wa.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.82.234) 21.195
ms 15.285 ms 22.278 ms
8 as174.seattle.wa.ibone.comcast.net (66.208.228.110) 22.719 ms 16.767
ms 19.258 ms
9 be2084.ccr22.sea01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.253) 20.280 ms
19.499 ms 22.475 ms
10 be2077.ccr22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.241) 37.690 ms
be2075.ccr21.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.233) 36.861 ms
be2077.ccr22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.241) 33.408 ms
11 be2164.ccr21.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.28.34) 34.810 ms
be2165.ccr22.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.28.66) 39.254 ms
be2164.ccr21.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.28.34) 39.929 ms
12 be2160.ccr21.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.27.161) 47.379 ms
be2161.ccr22.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.27.169) 48.420 ms 45.969
ms
13 be2017.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.237) 43.561 ms
45.060 ms be2019.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.10) 44.200 ms
14 * * *
It times out after the 14th hop.
g.
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10 Sep
10 Sep
10:54 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 9/10/2015 7:32 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
Hello, all,
I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really weird problem
has turned up. The guy who administers the ring, David Brooks, is in
Australia, and uses iinet.net.au as his ISP. All members of the web
ring link to his personal web pages at iinet. Apparently, due to
government censorship or a private war between iinet and US content
providers, iinet or Australia are blocking access from at least some
sites in the US. So, from my work or home (totally different IPs) I
cannot access ANY personal pages at iinet, but a few general help pages
there can be accessed. As far as I can tell, nobody else in the world
is being affected.
Well it does not work in CANADA as of today.
It was working about a month ago, as I am designing a 8 bit cpu
on the DE1 FPGA PCB, and I was looking for ideas.
Can one get all the web pages mirrored, I hate this loss information
with the net.
Ben.
PS. Your site is fine, The Down Under sites are well DOWN and under.
Thinking about it the PDP 11 was strange beast, as having both character
and floating point data, even with split I&D you had way too small of
memory.A simple 32 bit machine could have been a better option. Mind you
the 11 was designed before 4K dram hit the market.
I have a nice 32 bit design but I want to get this 8 bit cpu working
first. Any one knows what modern C compiler will compile Tiny C version
1.0? Man with a CPU and no software.
11:27 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 09/10/2015 09:54 PM, ben wrote:
Well it does not work in CANADA as of today.
WOW, this is new info!
It was working about a month ago, as I am designing a
8
bit cpu
on the DE1 FPGA PCB, and I was looking for ideas.
Can one get all the web pages mirrored, I hate this loss
information
with the net.
Ben.
PS. Your site is fine, The Down Under sites are well DOWN
and under.
My page works now because I have removed the links to the
iinet files and gotten a local copy of the .js file.
Thinking about it the PDP 11 was strange beast, as
having
both character
and floating point data, even with split I&D you had way
too small of memory.A simple 32 bit machine could have
been a better option. Mind you the 11 was designed before
4K dram hit the market.
I have a nice 32 bit design but I want to get this 8 bit
cpu working first. Any one knows what modern C compiler
will compile Tiny C version 1.0? Man with a CPU and no
software.
I actually LIKED the PDP-11 architecture quite a LOT, but
the limited memory was a big killer. The 11 was designed
when CORE was still king! We had several PDP-11's with core
in them at first.
I played around with Tiny C a bit, a LONG time ago. I guess
I ran it on a MicroSoft C compiler.
Jon
10:58 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 09/10/2015 06:32 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
Hello, all,
I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really weird
problem has turned up. The guy who administers the ring, David
Brooks, is in Australia, and uses iinet.net.au as his ISP. All
members of the web ring link to his personal web pages at iinet.
Apparently, due to government censorship or a private war between
iinet and US content providers, iinet or Australia are blocking
access from at least some sites in the US. So, from my work or home
(totally different IPs) I cannot access ANY personal pages at iinet,
but a few general help pages there can be accessed. As far as I can
tell, nobody else in the world is being affected.
Works from western US just fine.
Have you considered using a proxy server? Some may frown on it, but
that's how I've had to access some blocked sites, such as the Olympics
reporting on the Beeb. (Just find a UK anonymous proxy and you're good).
There are lists of proxies on the net that are continuously updated.
FWIW,
Chuck
11:15 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
I've forwarded this to a journo at The Register, and hopefully they'll
have a good poke at it.
Mike
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Jon Elson <elson at pico-systems.com> wrote:
Hello, all,
I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really weird problem has
turned up. The guy who administers the ring, David Brooks, is in Australia,
and uses iinet.net.au as his ISP. All members of the web ring link to his
personal web pages at iinet. Apparently, due to government censorship or a
private war between iinet and US content providers, iinet or Australia are
blocking access from at least some sites in the US. So, from my work or
home (totally different IPs) I cannot access ANY personal pages at iinet,
but a few general help pages there can be accessed. As far as I can tell,
nobody else in the world is being affected.
Some webring members are now using classiccmp mirrors to host the affected
files to get around this problem.
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in the US, to check
if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
This is David Brooks' homebuilt 16-bit CPU.
Please send me the results of your test, no matter whether it works or
DOESN'T work, I am looking for statistics on how much of the US is being
blocked. Also, let me know where you are. I am assuming this is only a
problem in the US, but that is not guaranteed. I also am not able to make
email contact with David Brooks, so it seems email is ALSO being blocked.
If you want to do some more research, just Google members.iinet and you will
see a lot of hits of the form:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~some_name
and see if you can access ANY of them. From both my home and work IP, I can
not get ANY of these pages to respond.
If you want to see my page, it is :
http://pico-systems.com/ring/ring.html
Thanks for any help or info you can offer!
Jon
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Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
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11 Sep
11 Sep
1:05 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members,
especially in
the US, to check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
I have just viewed it (UK, Demon ISP). I've also checked, I can
download at least one of the schematics linked from that page
(I have not checked it makes electronic sense ;-))
-tony
1:31 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 9/10/15 18:32, Jon Elson wrote:
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members,
especially in the US, to
check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
DNS doesn't resolve. A traceroute to 203.0.178.90 dies at:
14 be2017.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.237) 64.145 ms
83.689 ms 89.958 ms
Which seems consistent with what others are observing. FWIW, my ISP is
a hole-in-the-wall outfit that provides wireless "broadband" to the
rural mountainous portions of Northeaster California.
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1:36 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
It was thus said that the Great Christian Kennedy once stated:
On 9/10/15 18:32, Jon Elson wrote:
DNS resolved for me, but I run my own DNS server at home.
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members,
especially in the US, to
check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
DNS doesn't resolve. A traceroute to 203.0.178.90 dies at: 14 be2017.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com
(154.54.0.237) 64.145 ms
83.689 ms 89.958 ms
My traceroute died there as well. I'm in Boca Raton, Florida (16 miles
north of Ft. Lauderdale) and my ISP is BellSouth/AT&T.
-spc
2:08 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 9/10/2015 6:32 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
If you want to do some more research, just Google
members.iinet and you will
see a lot of hits of the form:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~some_name
and see if you can access ANY of them. From both my home and work IP, I can
not get ANY of these pages to respond.
If you want to see my page, it is :
http://pico-systems.com/ring/ring.html
I run my own DNS server that talks to OPENDNS, located in Saratoga, CA, USA. ISP
is Comcast residential cable modem service.
I can access the above pico-systems link, and was able to follow around the
webring with no issues, using Firefox on a PC in my internal net.
Basically see no problems accessing any of the pages on sites.
From my server I see:
nslookup members.iinet.net.au
Server: 127.0.0.1
Address: 127.0.0.1#53
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: members.iinet.net.au
Address: 203.0.178.90
~[17] tracepath -l 1500 members.iinet.net.au
1: router.home.lan 2.577ms
2: 67.169.100.1 12.317ms
3: te-0-3-0-15-sur04.santaclara.ca.sfba.comcast.net 11.122ms
4: te-0-5-0-2-sur03.santaclara.ca.sfba.comcast.net 11.965ms asymm 3
5: he-0-3-0-4-ar01.santaclara.ca.sfba.comcast.net 11.750ms asymm 4
6: no reply
7: he-0-11-0-1-pe02.529bryant.ca.ibone.comcast.net 11.989ms asymm 6
8: 50.248.118.238 11.968ms asymm 7
9: be2013.ccr21.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com 13.105ms asymm 8
10: be2000.ccr21.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com 14.580ms asymm 9
11: no reply
12: be2019.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com 22.400ms asymm 8
13: no reply
14: no reply
15: ae0.cr1.mel4.on.ii.net 217.966ms asymm 19
16: ae5.cr1.adl6.on.ii.net 218.017ms asymm 18
17: ae0.cr1.adl2.on.ii.net 216.772ms
18: aex.cr1.per1.on.ii.net 223.499ms asymm 16
19: ae0.cr1.per4.on.ii.net 214.932ms asymm 14
20: po6-10.per-qv1-bdr1.on.ii.net 214.709ms asymm 15
21: te1-0-1-113.per-qv1-bdr2.on.ii.net 231.016ms asymm 14
22: gi3-5.icp-qv1-core1.iinet.net.au 214.557ms asymm 15
23: 203.215.4.208 215.310ms asymm 15
24: members.iinet.net.au 214.540ms asymm 16
25: vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au 242.611ms asymm 15
26: vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au 214.764ms asymm 15
27: vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au 216.161ms asymm 15
28: vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au 220.364ms asymm 15
29: members.iinet.net.au 214.646ms asymm 16
30: vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au 215.907ms asymm 15
31: members.iinet.net.au 213.915ms asymm 16
4:40 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 11/09/2015 02:32, Jon Elson wrote:
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members,
especially in the US, to
check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
Yes, I can (from York, UK, my ISP is Plusnet). Here's a traceroute:
1 cisco877 (x.x.x.x) 2.400 ms 1.484 ms 1.354 ms
2 lo0-central10.pcl-ag02.plus.net (195.166.128.183) 23.643 ms
17.026 ms 17.156 ms
3 link-a-central10.pcl-gw01.plus.net (212.159.2.164) 17.246 ms
17.894 ms 17.364 ms
4 xe-10-1-0.pcl-cr01.plus.net (212.159.0.196) 16.966 ms 17.073 ms
19.371 ms
5 195.99.126.96 (195.99.126.96) 17.381 ms 18.651 ms 17.598 ms
6 core3-te0-2-0-19.faraday.ukcore.bt.net (109.159.249.5) 18.059 ms
core3-te0-2-0-18.faraday.ukcore.bt.net (109.159.249.1) 18.011 ms
core4-te0-0-0-19.faraday.ukcore.bt.net (109.159.249.47) 17.576 ms
7 host213-121-193-183.ukcore.bt.net (213.121.193.183) 19.329 ms
peer6-BE7.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net (213.121.193.179) 20.248 ms
peer6-hu0-19-0-1.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net (213.121.193.181) 17.568 ms
8 166-49-211-240.eu.bt.net (166.49.211.240) 17.862 ms
166-49-211-242.eu.bt.net (166.49.211.242) 17.447 ms
166-49-211-236.eu.bt.net (166.49.211.236) 17.307 ms
9 166-49-211-38.eu.bt.net (166.49.211.38) 17.490 ms 17.709 ms
17.629 ms
10 et-3-1-0.lax22.ip4.gtt.net (141.136.110.17) 155.702 ms 171.972 ms
154.836 ms
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 * * *
14 * * *
15 * * *
16 ae0.cr1.mel4.on.ii.net (150.101.33.10) 358.478 ms 358.957 ms
358.569 ms
17 ae5.cr1.adl6.on.ii.net (150.101.37.237) 358.802 ms 358.578 ms
366.367 ms
18 ae0.cr1.adl2.on.ii.net (150.101.33.2) 358.683 ms 359.084 ms
358.763 ms
19 aex.cr1.per1.on.ii.net (150.101.33.19) 358.888 ms 366.312 ms
366.156 ms
20 ae0.cr1.per4.on.ii.net (150.101.34.170) 358.079 ms 365.913 ms
366.136 ms
21 po6-10.per-qv1-bdr1.on.ii.net (150.101.33.91) 358.222 ms 377.115
ms 366.107 ms
22 te1-0-1-113.per-qv1-bdr2.on.ii.net (203.215.4.41) 295.066 ms
294.450 ms 294.677 ms
23 gi5-2.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.8) 302.885 ms 303.318
ms 296.124 ms
24 members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 358.722 ms 366.378 ms
203.215.4.208 (203.215.4.208) 359.342 ms
25 members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 366.395 ms
vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 304.259 ms 295.479 ms
26 members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 358.789 ms 358.783 ms 359.028 ms
27 vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 296.329 ms
296.295 ms members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 358.812 ms
28 vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 297.262 ms
303.898 ms 296.044 ms
29 members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 358.822 ms
vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 296.023 ms 304.562 ms
30 members.iinet.net.au (203.0.178.90) 358.778 ms 358.834 ms
vl311.icp-osb-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.4.185) 303.581 ms
$
--
Pete
Pete Turnbull
9:10 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 09/10/2015 08:32 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members,
especially in the US, to
check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
It works for me here (northern Minnesota)
Jules
9:26 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
ETIMEDOUT.
members.iinet.net.au resolves to 203.0.178.90 for me. mtr shows
Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1. 98.124.61.89 0.0% 382 1.1 1.5 0.7 123.1 7.2
2. 10.0.0.1 0.0% 382 1.0 1.1 0.7 20.4 1.6
3. 205.233.56.250 0.0% 382 14.5 14.8 13.3 38.7 3.3
4. 205.233.56.253 0.0% 382 14.0 14.7 13.2 149.5 7.2
5. 76.10.144.58 0.0% 382 14.3 15.6 13.6 83.6 5.3
6. 69.196.136.48 0.0% 382 14.7 15.3 13.6 90.0 5.9
7. 209.51.184.253 0.0% 382 14.4 25.7 13.6 132.2 20.9
8. 184.105.80.5 0.0% 382 25.6 30.0 23.6 222.6 14.5
9. 184.105.223.178 0.3% 382 42.0 42.0 31.3 235.0 24.0
10. 184.105.222.41 0.0% 382 68.5 72.3 51.6 222.1 18.8
11. 72.52.92.38 0.0% 382 170.9 104.4 77.4 259.0 23.9
12. ???
I then tried traceroute, in case mtr was getting stuck on a
nonresponding hop with working hops beyond it. No joy; traceroute
shows more or less[%] the same list of addresses, but then hops 12
through 30 are all no-response.
[%] There are some minor differences; for example, hop 6 is
69.196.136.138 instead of 69.196.136.48. The hop 10 and 11 addresses,
in particular, are the same.
I am not in a position to tell whether it's Hurricane Electric or the
next hop that's blocking traffic here; I don't know whether the hop
after 72.52.92.38 would be another he.net host or not.
These experiments were done from 98.124.61.94. Everything was legacy
IPv4, since members.iinet.net.au doesn't seem to have a current-version
IP address. (Appropriate enough, for this list. :-)
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9:33 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
* Jon Elson <elson at pico-systems.com> [150910 21:32]:
[..SNIP..]
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members,
especially in
the US, to check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
This is David Brooks' homebuilt 16-bit CPU.
Please send me the results of your test, no matter whether
it works or DOESN'T work, I am looking for statistics on how
much of the US is being blocked. Also, let me know where
you are. I am assuming this is only a problem in the US,
but that is not guaranteed. I also am not able to make
email contact with David Brooks, so it seems email is ALSO
being blocked.
[..SNIP..]
Hi Jon,
No problem getting there from the northeast US (New Hampshire) using a
Comcast business connection.
Todd
9:55 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
* Jon Elson <elson at pico-systems.com> [150910 21:32]:
[..SNIP..]
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members,
especially in
the US, to check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
This is David Brooks' homebuilt 16-bit CPU.
Please send me the results of your test, no matter whether
it works or DOESN'T work, I am looking for statistics on how
much of the US is being blocked. Also, let me know where
you are. I am assuming this is only a problem in the US,
but that is not guaranteed. I also am not able to make
email contact with David Brooks, so it seems email is ALSO
being blocked.
[..SNIP..]
No problem from my address in UK (Essex)
Have you tried any of the (many) proxy servers such as anonymouse.org
or tried using tor.
anonymouse used to be able to get to pirate bay before the ".se" url got killed
don't need it for the current (".mn") incarnation but I still keep a
collection of proxy server urls in my bookmarks "just in case!"
Andy
10:46 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:32:11 -0500
Jon Elson <elson at pico-systems.com> wrote:
Hello, all,
I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really
weird problem has turned up. The guy who administers the
ring, David Brooks, is in Australia, and uses iinet.net.au
as his ISP. All members of the web ring link to his
personal web pages at iinet. Apparently, due to government
censorship or a private war between iinet and US content
providers, iinet or Australia are blocking access from at
least some sites in the US. So, from my work or home
(totally different IPs) I cannot access ANY personal pages
at iinet, but a few general help pages there can be
accessed. As far as I can tell, nobody else in the world is
being affected.
Some webring members are now using classiccmp mirrors to
host the affected files to get around this problem.
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in
the US, to check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
Works from Silicon Valley (Mountain View)
Lyle
--
73 AF6WS
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
11:01 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On Sep 11, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Lyle Bickley
<lbickley at bickleywest.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:32:11 -0500
Jon Elson <elson at pico-systems.com> wrote:
I tried "traceroute" from three places: a machine in Palo Alto (result: fail),
my home firewall (result: works) and my office (result: fail).
The routes shown are utterly different. The PA case shows just a few hops, into
megapath.net, then no further. The office goes into alter.net, then through a whole bunch
of different hosts all in cogentco.com, then nothing. And from home, I see a path through
comcast.net, gtt.net, ii.net, then iinet.com.au and from there to the destination.
The "censorship or ..." notion may be someone's overheated imagination -- it
looks more like there's a backbone routing issue.
paul
Hello, all,
I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really
weird problem has turned up. The guy who administers the
ring, David Brooks, is in Australia, and uses iinet.net.au
as his ISP. All members of the web ring link to his
personal web pages at iinet. Apparently, due to government
censorship or a private war between iinet and US content
providers, iinet or Australia are blocking access from at
least some sites in the US. ...
Some webring members are now using classiccmp mirrors to
host the affected files to get around this problem.
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in
the US, to check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
Works from Silicon Valley (Mountain View)
Lyle
11:27 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
>
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:32:11 -0500
> Jon Elson <elson at pico-systems.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello, all,
>>
>> I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really
>> weird problem has turned up. The guy who administers the
>> ring, David Brooks, is in Australia, and uses iinet.net.au
>> as his ISP. All members of the web ring link to his
>> personal web pages at iinet. Apparently, due to government
>> censorship or a private war between iinet and US content
>> providers, iinet or Australia are blocking access from at
>> least some sites in the US. ...
>>
>> Some webring members are now using classiccmp mirrors to
>> host the affected files to get around this problem.
>>
>> So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in
>> the US, to check if they can view this page:
>> http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
FWIW: when I run into a web site issue due to filtering (or suspicion of same), I got to
TOR. Apart from the confidentiality benefits it offers, you also get access from a
completely different part of the world. An unpredictable place, admittedly.
paul
10:23 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 09/11/2015 10:27 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
FWIW: when I run into a web site issue due to
filtering (or suspicion of same), I got to TOR. Apart from the confidentiality benefits
it offers, you also get access from a completely different part of the world. An
unpredictable place, admittedly.
Just to explain why this is a problem, the various pages of
the homebuilt CPU web ring all are supposed to link to David
Brooks' page and a small javascript code that allows viewers
of the various pages to jump to any of the other pages. As
new pages are added to the ring (or dead ones removed) the
javascript is updated to reflect that. So, it really is
important that these pages link to a single copy of the
javascript that is up to date.
So, it is not a matter of me seeing David Brooks page one
time, it is a matter of anybody who looks at my page or any
of the other pages being able to get to all the other pages
of the ring.
And, with the great help of the classiccmp group, we have
scoped out that this is actually a pretty large problem,
about 54% of US and Canadian users cannot get to anything on
members.iinet.net.au
Jon
11:06 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 9/11/2015 7:46 AM, Lyle Bickley wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:32:11 -0500
Jon Elson <elson at pico-systems.com> wrote:
But not from Santa Cruz, only about 30 miles away from Mtn. View.
Bob
--
Vintage computers and electronics
www.dvq.com
www.tekmuseum.com
www.decmuseum.org
Hello, all,
I am a member of the Homebuilt CPU web-ring, and a really
weird problem has turned up. The guy who administers the
ring, David Brooks, is in Australia, and uses iinet.net.au
as his ISP. All members of the web ring link to his
personal web pages at iinet. Apparently, due to government
censorship or a private war between iinet and US content
providers, iinet or Australia are blocking access from at
least some sites in the US. So, from my work or home
(totally different IPs) I cannot access ANY personal pages
at iinet, but a few general help pages there can be
accessed. As far as I can tell, nobody else in the world is
being affected.
Some webring members are now using classiccmp mirrors to
host the affected files to get around this problem.
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in
the US, to check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
Works from Silicon Valley
(Mountain View)
Lyle 
11:19 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 08:32:11PM -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members,
especially in the US, to check
if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
The other day I was trying to access David Green's pages there.
I eventually wound up using the Wayback Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150702221040/http://members.iinet.net.au/~dgr…
mcl
11:40 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 9/10/2015 8:32 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in the US, to
check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
I cannot make a connection. My DNS is able to resolve the address.
ISP is Charter cable, Madison WI (Fitchburg, from the DNS name), then to
Eau Claire WI, then Chicago, IL where it looks like they apparently peer
with Cogent.
As with others, the traceroute stopped at Cogent. Note that this may
mean that the next hop after that blocks all of the packets or it could
mean that the next hop is blocking just the traceroute packets.
JRJ
1 * * *
2 dtr01ftbgwi-tge-0-6-0-3.ftbg.wi.charter.com (96.34.25.58) 15.413 ms
16.531 ms 16.524 ms
3 crr01ftbgwi-bue-4.ftbg.wi.charter.com (96.34.18.108) 23.528 ms
21.479 ms 23.501 ms
4 crr01euclwi-bue-1.eucl.wi.charter.com (96.34.16.77) 21.431 ms * *
5 bbr01euclwi-bue-4.eucl.wi.charter.com (96.34.2.4) 21.157 ms 21.153
ms 21.318 ms
6 bbr02euclwi-bue-5.eucl.wi.charter.com (96.34.0.7) 25.319 ms 16.876
ms 22.938 ms
7 bbr01chcgil-bue-1.chcg.il.charter.com (96.34.0.9) 25.460 ms 26.958
ms 23.483 ms
8 bbr02chcgil-bue-6.chcg.il.charter.com (96.34.0.67) 26.751 ms
27.724 ms 27.695 ms
9 te0-18-0-2.ccr41.ord03.atlas.cogentco.com (38.122.181.65) 25.728 ms
30.118 ms 28.197 ms
10 be2216.ccr41.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.201) 27.315 ms
27.427 ms be2217.ccr42.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.205) 27.389 ms
11 be2156.ccr21.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.85) 41.659 ms
be2157.ccr22.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.117) 40.758 ms 38.666 ms
12 be2432.ccr21.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.133) 47.510 ms
be2433.ccr22.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.213) 53.865 ms
be2432.ccr21.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.133) 52.515 ms
13 be2441.ccr21.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.41.65) 53.141 ms
be2443.ccr22.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.44.229) 55.853 ms
be2441.ccr21.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.41.65) 55.407 ms
14 be2066.ccr22.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.54) 86.437 ms
be2065.ccr21.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.66) 89.222 ms 87.085 ms
15 be2017.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.237) 94.160 ms
be2019.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.10) 90.385 ms 88.573 ms
16 * * *
17 * * *
18 * * *
19 * *^C
11:52 a.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On Sep 11, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Jay Jaeger <cube1 at
charter.net> wrote:
On 9/10/2015 8:32 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
I saw the same sort of thing but I let traceroute keep running. The result is that it
started giving real answers again just one or two hops later.
Conclusion: hops 16-20ish are blocking traceroute packets. Later hops aren't.
It's hard to be patient sometimes, but while * * * sometimes indicates "this is
as far as you get" it may also indicate just a few nodes that are not cooperating
with traceroute on a functional route.
paul
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in the US, to
check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
I cannot make a connection. My DNS is able to resolve the address.
ISP is Charter cable, Madison WI (Fitchburg, from the DNS name), then to
Eau Claire WI, then Chicago, IL where it looks like they apparently peer
with Cogent.
As with others, the traceroute stopped at Cogent. Note that this may
mean that the next hop after that blocks all of the packets or it could
mean that the next hop is blocking just the traceroute packets.
JRJ
1 * * *
2 dtr01ftbgwi-tge-0-6-0-3.ftbg.wi.charter.com (96.34.25.58) 15.413 ms
16.531 ms 16.524 ms
3 crr01ftbgwi-bue-4.ftbg.wi.charter.com (96.34.18.108) 23.528 ms
21.479 ms 23.501 ms
4 crr01euclwi-bue-1.eucl.wi.charter.com (96.34.16.77) 21.431 ms * *
5 bbr01euclwi-bue-4.eucl.wi.charter.com (96.34.2.4) 21.157 ms 21.153
ms 21.318 ms
6 bbr02euclwi-bue-5.eucl.wi.charter.com (96.34.0.7) 25.319 ms 16.876
ms 22.938 ms
7 bbr01chcgil-bue-1.chcg.il.charter.com (96.34.0.9) 25.460 ms 26.958
ms 23.483 ms
8 bbr02chcgil-bue-6.chcg.il.charter.com (96.34.0.67) 26.751 ms
27.724 ms 27.695 ms
9 te0-18-0-2.ccr41.ord03.atlas.cogentco.com (38.122.181.65) 25.728 ms
30.118 ms 28.197 ms
10 be2216.ccr41.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.201) 27.315 ms
27.427 ms be2217.ccr42.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.205) 27.389 ms
11 be2156.ccr21.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.85) 41.659 ms
be2157.ccr22.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.117) 40.758 ms 38.666 ms
12 be2432.ccr21.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.133) 47.510 ms
be2433.ccr22.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.213) 53.865 ms
be2432.ccr21.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.133) 52.515 ms
13 be2441.ccr21.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.41.65) 53.141 ms
be2443.ccr22.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.44.229) 55.853 ms
be2441.ccr21.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.41.65) 55.407 ms
14 be2066.ccr22.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.54) 86.437 ms
be2065.ccr21.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.66) 89.222 ms 87.085 ms
15 be2017.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.237) 94.160 ms
be2019.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.10) 90.385 ms 88.573 ms
16 * * *
17 * * *
18 * * *
19 * *^C
12:01 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On Sep 11, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
Sorry, I misremembered the different traceroute runs. The one that goes into cogentco
fails for me too, all the way to 64 hops. But I had a different traceroute run from a
different location that shows gtt.net, then 5 lines of * * *, then ii.net and on to the
destination. So * * * is not necessarily the sign of a black hole, though it can be
that.
paul
On Sep 11, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Jay Jaeger
<cube1 at charter.net> wrote:
On 9/10/2015 8:32 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
I saw the same sort of thing but I let traceroute keep running. The result is that it
started giving real answers again just one or two hops later.
Conclusion: hops 16-20ish are blocking traceroute packets. Later hops aren't.
It's hard to be patient sometimes, but while * * * sometimes indicates "this is
as far as you get" it may also indicate just a few nodes that are not cooperating
with traceroute on a functional route.
So, I wonder if I can ask classiccmp members, especially in the US, to
check if they can view this page:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/simplex.html
I cannot make a connection. My DNS is able to resolve the address.
ISP is Charter cable, Madison WI (Fitchburg, from the DNS name), then to
Eau Claire WI, then Chicago, IL where it looks like they apparently peer
with Cogent.
As with others, the traceroute stopped at Cogent. Note that this may
mean that the next hop after that blocks all of the packets or it could
mean that the next hop is blocking just the traceroute packets.
JRJ
1 * * *
2 dtr01ftbgwi-tge-0-6-0-3.ftbg.wi.charter.com (96.34.25.58) 15.413 ms
16.531 ms 16.524 ms
3 crr01ftbgwi-bue-4.ftbg.wi.charter.com (96.34.18.108) 23.528 ms
21.479 ms 23.501 ms
4 crr01euclwi-bue-1.eucl.wi.charter.com (96.34.16.77) 21.431 ms * *
5 bbr01euclwi-bue-4.eucl.wi.charter.com (96.34.2.4) 21.157 ms 21.153
ms 21.318 ms
6 bbr02euclwi-bue-5.eucl.wi.charter.com (96.34.0.7) 25.319 ms 16.876
ms 22.938 ms
7 bbr01chcgil-bue-1.chcg.il.charter.com (96.34.0.9) 25.460 ms 26.958
ms 23.483 ms
8 bbr02chcgil-bue-6.chcg.il.charter.com (96.34.0.67) 26.751 ms
27.724 ms 27.695 ms
9 te0-18-0-2.ccr41.ord03.atlas.cogentco.com (38.122.181.65) 25.728 ms
30.118 ms 28.197 ms
10 be2216.ccr41.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.201) 27.315 ms
27.427 ms be2217.ccr42.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.205) 27.389 ms
11 be2156.ccr21.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.85) 41.659 ms
be2157.ccr22.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.117) 40.758 ms 38.666 ms
12 be2432.ccr21.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.133) 47.510 ms
be2433.ccr22.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.213) 53.865 ms
be2432.ccr21.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.133) 52.515 ms
13 be2441.ccr21.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.41.65) 53.141 ms
be2443.ccr22.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.44.229) 55.853 ms
be2441.ccr21.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.41.65) 55.407 ms
14 be2066.ccr22.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.54) 86.437 ms
be2065.ccr21.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.66) 89.222 ms 87.085 ms
15 be2017.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.0.237) 94.160 ms
be2019.ccr21.lax04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.10) 90.385 ms 88.573 ms
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1:41 p.m.
New subject: internet blocking problem ?
On 9/11/2015 10:52 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
Not me.
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Also, if an ISP is actually blocking traceroute packets, then the trace
will STOP THERE - it can't get past that point.
JRJ
On Sep 11, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Jay Jaeger
<cube1 at charter.net> wrote:
I cannot make a connection. My DNS is able to resolve the address.
I saw the same sort of thing but I let traceroute keep running. The result is that it
started giving real answers again just one or two hops later.
Conclusion: hops 16-20ish are blocking traceroute packets. Later hops aren't.
It's hard to be patient sometimes, but while * * * sometimes indicates "this is
as far as you get" it may also indicate just a few nodes that are not cooperating
with traceroute on a functional route.
paul
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