In article <2F68F131-A0A4-4677-A965-1580B5926761 at aracnet.com>, Zane Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> writes: I looked at it long and hard several times. But it would be $500 minimum to have it shipped and that puts it around $1200 for the whole deal. While Ramtek is an important player in graphics, this isn't a machine with 3D primitives, only 2D primitives and a simple pseudocolor (in X Server parlance) frame buffer. It has high resolution for it's time (1280x1024), but $1200 is quite a bit of money for what it is. It appears to have had the hard drives removed, so it's not a complete working turnkey system either. That means I'd have to track down the appropriate VAX drivers and so-on for this particular Ramtek gear. Everyone draws their own line somewhere and this one is beyond my line at this time... -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book <http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline> The Computer Graphics Museum <http://ComputerGraphicsMuseum.org> The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org> Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://LegalizeAdulthood.wordpress.com>