9 Jan
2017
9 Jan
'17
1:06 a.m.
Folks,
Why does this keep on happening? What is google doing to cause this to
happen? Is it doing greylisting and mailman ignoring the retry-after time?
Dave
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1:17 a.m.
Some mailing list stuff goes to my junk mail folder not sure why
On Jan 9, 2017 3:16 AM, "Dave Wade" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
Folks,
Why does this keep on happening? What is google doing to cause this to
happen? Is it doing greylisting and mailman ignoring the retry-after time?
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
cctalk-request at classiccmp.org
Sent: 09 January 2017 04:11
To: dave.g4ugm at gmail.com
Subject: confirm 3a692ae231ea12a659548c4fb64ac8f80c8fe658
Your membership in the mailing list cctalk has been disabled due to
excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 08-Jan-2017.
You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your
membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your
membership in the list is deleted.
To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message
(leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at
http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/confirm/cctalk/
You can also visit your membership page at
http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/options/cctalk/
On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such as
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4:47 a.m.
Why does this keep on happening? What is google doing
to cause this
to happen?
> Your membership in the mailing list cctalk has
been disabled due to
> excessive bounces
"Bouncing mail", presumably. Certainly every time I've gotten that and
investigated, I've found record of my rejecting list mail.
But why are you asking us rather than Google (who is in a position to
tell you what they're doing, including mail they reject) or our
listowner (who's in a position to tell you what behaviour the list is
seeing from Google)?
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5:09 a.m.
On 9 January 2017 at 10:06, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
Why does this keep on happening? What is google doing
to cause this to
happen?
Damned if I know, but it's happening to me frequently, too. >:-(
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5:37 a.m.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 January 2017 at 10:06, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm
at gmail.com> wrote:
My first thought is that gmail is huge, they load balance email servers and
they may bounce on a timing schedule that conflicts with the schedule used
by the mail server cctech uses. I'd check the bounce/reply spool, which I
am sure Jay does, but that's the kind of thing to look at. It's impossible
to please every server and how it handles the greylisting type stuff, and
dance the fine line to not look like spam. Gmail is not forgiving of such
things, and thus the extra bounces to verify that the message is legit. It
would almost be necessary to set up an SMTP smart spool to handle gmail if
you wanted zero bounces, not really worth it. This is simply the case of
an older mailer program hitting up against the gmail Bournemouth, you have
to play by their rules.
b
Why does this keep on happening? What is google
doing to cause this to
happen?
Damned if I know, but it's happening to me frequently, too. >:-(
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5:40 a.m.
On 9 January 2017 at 14:37, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
the gmail Bournemouth
Er. Pardon?
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5:50 a.m.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 02:40:06PM +0100, Liam Proven
wrote:
LOL! Yup. ha.
I deal with mail every day. I have an international client that has to
weed through all of the crazy domain extensions (crazy to an American
anyway) used by businesses in emerging countries. Sending and receiving
mail through that sea of crap is challenging and I have had to do a lot of
tweaking to make it work.
Bill
On 9 January 2017 at 14:37, william degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
"behemoth" + spell checking ?
/P
the gmail Bournemouth
Er. Pardon?
6:07 a.m.
A Bournemouth you say? Over to Auntie Beeb:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/lookaroundyou/programmes/computers/
:)
On 9 January 2017 at 13:50, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Pontus Pihlgren
<pontus at update.uu.se>
wrote:
"behemoth" + spell checking ?
/P
LOL! Yup. ha.
I deal with mail every day. I have an international client that has to
weed through all of the crazy domain extensions (crazy to an American
anyway) used by businesses in emerging countries. Sending and receiving
mail through that sea of crap is challenging and I have had to do a lot of
tweaking to make it work.
Bill
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On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 02:40:06PM +0100, Liam
Proven wrote:
> On 9 January 2017 at 14:37, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
the gmail Bournemouth
Er. Pardon?
6:21 a.m.
On 01/09/2017 08:07 AM, Adrian Graham wrote:
A Bournemouth you say? Over to Auntie Beeb:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/lookaroundyou/programmes/computers/
Git, I went away to find that link, came back to paste it, and you'd got
there first :-)
8:55 a.m.
On Mon, 9 Jan 2017, Adrian Graham wrote:
A Bournemouth you say? Over to Auntie Beeb:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/lookaroundyou/programmes/computers/
:)
Is THAT the gmail Bournemouth?
It manages gmail and has been bouncing?
Maybe it just needs another blank 5.25" floppy to hold the excess to stop
the bouncing?
(Perhaps any single email larger than 200K SHOULD bounce)
It can compete favourably with the PET at the top of the page.
Did they sell 10,000 of those?
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5:52 a.m.
On 9 January 2017 at 14:44, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 02:40:06PM +0100, Liam Proven
wrote:
Oh, good guess, could be. :-)
I don't know, I mean, the GMail Bournemouth makes a pleasant change
On 9 January 2017 at 14:37, william degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
"behemoth" + spell checking ? the gmail Bournemouth
Er. Pardon?
from the Beast of Redmond and the evil Cupertino.
I've never been to
Bournemouth myself, but I've heard it's very nice.
Pleasant little
seaside town.
What next? Microsoft, the Mousehole of computing? Apple, known as the
Cowdenbeath of the smartphone industry? Facebook, the Lule? of social
networking?
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5:43 a.m.
On 9 January 2017 at 14:37, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Liam Proven
<lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
I initially thought that as well, even though I found it unlikely
(I've never observed delays when I email from somewhere to a gmail
account, and never any bouncing due to load).
What I think happens, because it's so frequent, is that some list
members use addresses that fail gmail's verification. We already know
that yahoo and aol emails suffer from this, their address come through
in the mailing list but the sender is not yahoo or aol (it's the
mailing list server), and there are some hoops to go through to avoid
those problems (I had to set an option to not automatically have those
emails go to spam).
So, in short, I think the problem is caused by posts from some
particular subscribers getting bounced by some servers (among them,
gmail), not that the receving servers (e.g. gmail) are overloaded or
otherwise failing.
On 9 January 2017 at 10:06, Dave Wade
<dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
My first thought is that gmail is huge, they load balance email servers and
they may bounce on a timing schedule that conflicts with the schedule used
by the mail server cctech uses.[..] Why does this keep on happening? What is google
doing to cause this to
happen?
Damned if I know, but it's happening to me frequently, too. >:-(
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10:28 a.m.
On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 14:43:51 +0100
Tor Arntsen <kspt.tor at gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 January 2017 at 14:37, william degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
This is absolutely correct. As an admin that manages a CHM list on
Google, I agree that the problem is NOT with Google Gmail per se.
They are merely enforcing what they promised to do months ago.
Enforce the DMARC policy. Here's a typical response from Google when a
mail server does not follow practices initiated to reduce SPAM (actual
domain hidden by me with xxxxxx.xxx):
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [173.194.203.27]
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
550-5.7.1 Unauthenticated email from xxxxxx.xxx is not accepted due
to domain's 550-5.7.1 DMARC policy. Please contact the administrator of
xxxxxx.xxx domain 550-5.7.1 if this was a legitimate mail. Please visit
550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690 to learn
about the 550 5.7.1 DMARC initiative. q12si89233361pgc.52 - gsmtp
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
BTW, this typically happens when an email is posted to an email server
which is then redirected to Gmail via another server.
More and more mail systems will be enforcing DMARC policies - so it
would be good to make sure your ISP is setup correctly.
FYI - I use MANY email vendors (yahoo, comcast, arrl, acm, any my own
bickleywest.com, cerfnet.net, cerfnet.org, etc.) and ALL conform to the
DMARC policy and have no issues sending to or receiving mail from gmail.
Cheers,
Lyle
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On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Liam Proven
<lproven at gmail.com>
wrote:
I initially thought that as well, even though I found it unlikely
(I've never observed delays when I email from somewhere to a gmail
account, and never any bouncing due to load).
What I think happens, because it's so frequent, is that some list
members use addresses that fail gmail's verification. We already know
that yahoo and aol emails suffer from this, their address come through
in the mailing list but the sender is not yahoo or aol (it's the
mailing list server), and there are some hoops to go through to avoid
those problems (I had to set an option to not automatically have those
emails go to spam).
So, in short, I think the problem is caused by posts from some
particular subscribers getting bounced by some servers (among them,
gmail), not that the receving servers (e.g. gmail) are overloaded or
otherwise failing. On 9 January 2017 at 10:06, Dave Wade
<dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
wrote:
My first thought is that gmail is huge, they load balance email
servers and they may bounce on a timing schedule that conflicts
with the schedule used by the mail server cctech uses.[..] Why does this keep on happening? What is google
doing to cause
this to happen?
Damned if I know, but it's happening to me frequently, too. >:-(
--
11:38 a.m.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Lyle Bickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com>
wrote:
FYI - I use MANY email vendors (yahoo, comcast, arrl, acm, any my own
bickleywest.com, cerfnet.net, cerfnet.org, etc.) and ALL conform to the
DMARC policy and have no issues sending to or receiving mail from gmail.
Cheers,
Lyle
FWIW, the account on which I'm sending this is the UW's domain hosted by
Gmail, and I've had no problems sending email to the list. Just another
data point.... -- Ian
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