7 Aug
2012
7 Aug
'12
3:16 p.m.
Hi there,
I'm looking for contact information for the company that is the current
license holder for the DEC-developed PDP-11 operating systems (e.g., RT-11,
RSX, RSTS). If you have that info and could send it to me off-list, it
would be much appreciated!
Thanks,
- Earl
7 Aug
7 Aug
11:19 p.m.
Earl Evans <earl at retrobits.com> wrote:
I'm looking for contact information for the company that is the current
license holder for the DEC-developed PDP-11 operating systems (e.g., RT-11,
RSX, RSTS). If you have that info and could send it to me off-list, it
would be much appreciated!
I wouldn't having this info on the list, to be honest.
re,
Sander
11:20 p.m.
It's a mystery .. no one seems to know.
Regards
?
Rod Smallwood
?
?
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Earl Evans
Sent: 07 August 2012 23:17
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Current license holder of DEC PDP-11 operating systems
Hi there,
I'm looking for contact information for the company that is the current
license holder for the DEC-developed PDP-11 operating systems (e.g., RT-11,
RSX, RSTS). If you have that info and could send it to me off-list, it
would be much appreciated!
Thanks,
- Earl
8 Aug
8 Aug
7:22 a.m.
On 8/7/12 11:20 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
It's a mystery .. no one seems to know.
Quite a few people on this list know, and they have said it several times on this
list. The rights were bought from Mentec by XX2247, LLC
I think Dave has been busy with other things, though.
7:42 a.m.
At 7:22 AM -0700 8/8/12, Al Kossow wrote:
On 8/7/12 11:20 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
I get the impression that he seems to like to stay out of sight. I
typically forward requests like Earl's onto a Reseller I know (which
I just did with his message).
I've pointed out in the past that the fact that there is a rights
holder needs to be advertised, as a lot of people can't figure out
who to contact.
Zane
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It's a mystery .. no one seems to know.
Quite a few people on this list know, and they have said it several
times on this
list. The rights were bought from Mentec by XX2247, LLC
I think Dave has been busy with other things, though.
10:52 p.m.
So now we know.
On Linkedin one David Carroll lists himself as owner of xx2247 LLC and
former employee of Mentec. Well I must have missed the posts on this list as
I can say that?s news to me. At least someone does own the rights and that
can only be a good thing.
Regards
?
Rod Smallwood
?
?
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy
Sent: 08 August 2012 15:42
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Current license holder of DEC PDP-11 operating systems
At 7:22 AM -0700 8/8/12, Al Kossow wrote:
On 8/7/12 11:20 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
I get the impression that he seems to like to stay out of sight. I
typically forward requests like Earl's onto a Reseller I know (which
I just did with his message).
I've pointed out in the past that the fact that there is a rights
holder needs to be advertised, as a lot of people can't figure out
who to contact.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
| http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
| My Photography Website |
| http://www.zanesphotography.com |
It's a mystery .. no one seems to know.
Quite a few people on this list know, and they have said it several
times on this
list. The rights were bought from Mentec by XX2247, LLC
I think Dave has been busy with other things, though. 
11:34 p.m.
I have an RT11 license in my (or a company) name, in a folder
somewhere along with numerous licenses from companies I have bought
systems from in the past. I don't think they are assigned to a serial
number, but some of the newer ones might be.
Paul
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Rod Smallwood
<rodsmallwood at btconnect.com> wrote:
So now we know.
On Linkedin one David Carroll lists himself as owner of xx2247 LLC and
former employee of Mentec. Well I must have missed the posts on this list as
I can say that?s news to me. At least someone does own the rights and that
can only be a good thing.
Regards
Rod Smallwood
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy
Sent: 08 August 2012 15:42
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Current license holder of DEC PDP-11 operating systems
At 7:22 AM -0700 8/8/12, Al Kossow wrote:
On 8/7/12 11:20 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
I get the impression that he seems to like to stay out of sight. I
typically forward requests like Earl's onto a Reseller I know (which
I just did with his message).
I've pointed out in the past that the fact that there is a rights
holder needs to be advertised, as a lot of people can't figure out
who to contact.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
| http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
| My Photography Website |
| http://www.zanesphotography.com |
It's a mystery .. no one seems to know.
Quite a few people on this list know, and they have said it several
times on this
list. The rights were bought from Mentec by XX2247, LLC
I think Dave has been busy with other things, though. 
9 Aug
9 Aug
2:48 a.m.
New subject: Rare systems register
It occurred to me that the classic computer community could more actively adopt the model
used by car collectors to track survival, rarity, and provenance/history of their objects.
Has this been tried? Say something like an HP 211x or early DEC PDPs register for
instance? Has anyone had experience with the success, or utility of this type of thing?
What got me thinking along these lines is the difference between perception and reality
over the relative rarity and value of systems. People often make judgement calls base on
personal affinities rather than anything empirical. I've noted the disparity between
people saying like, 'wow a straight PDP 8', and opposed to ... 'ah that's
just a Xerox word processor.' One measure is their presence in the marketplace. How
many 860s do you really see compare to PDP8s? In my world I actually can put hands on
three of the former and only one of the latter. Just an example of course, but we all talk
about relative rarity with only production statistics to go on, and sometimes not even
that. Oddly, sometimes that is a poor indicator of survival, and therefore rarity.
Thoughts?
"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
At 7:22 AM -0700 8/8/12, Al Kossow wrote:
-- Colin
On 8/7/12 11:20 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
I get the impression that he seems to like to stay out of sight. I
typically forward requests like Earl's onto a Reseller I know (which
I just did with his message).
I've pointed out in the past that the fact that there is a rights
holder needs to be advertised, as a lot of people can't figure out
who to contact.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
| http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
| My Photography Website |
| http://www.zanesphotography.com | It's a mystery .. no one seems to know.
Quite a few people on this list know, and they have said it several
times on this
list. The rights were bought from Mentec by XX2247, LLC
I think Dave has been busy with other things, though. 
4:22 a.m.
New subject: Rare systems register
Is this sort of what you're talking about or similar...
http://www.old-computers.com/news/default.asp
++++++++++
Kevin Parker
++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf
Of Colin Eby
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2012 19:49
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Rare systems register
It occurred to me that the classic computer community could more actively adopt the model
used by car collectors to track survival, rarity, and provenance/history of their objects.
Has this been tried? Say something like an HP 211x or early DEC PDPs register for
instance? Has anyone had experience with the success, or utility of this type of thing?
What got me thinking along these lines is the difference between perception and reality
over the relative rarity and value of systems. People often make judgement calls base on
personal affinities rather than anything empirical. I've noted the disparity between
people saying like, 'wow a straight PDP 8', and opposed to ... 'ah that's
just a Xerox word processor.' One measure is their presence in the marketplace. How
many 860s do you really see compare to PDP8s? In my world I actually can put hands on
three of the former and only one of the latter. Just an example of course, but we all talk
about relative rarity with only production statistics to go on, and sometimes not even
that. Oddly, sometimes that is a poor indicator of survival, and therefore rarity.
Thoughts?
"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
At 7:22 AM -0700 8/8/12, Al Kossow wrote:
-- Colin
On 8/7/12 11:20 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
I get the impression that he seems to like to stay out of sight. I
typically forward requests like Earl's onto a Reseller I know (which I
just did with his message).
I've pointed out in the past that the fact that there is a rights
holder needs to be advertised, as a lot of people can't figure out who
to contact.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
| http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
| My Photography Website |
| http://www.zanesphotography.com | It's a mystery .. no one seems to know.
Quite a few people on this list know, and they have said it several
times on this list. The rights were bought from Mentec by XX2247, LLC
I think Dave has been busy with other things, though.
8:14 a.m.
New subject: Rare systems register
Yes, I had that site very much in mind, but upside down -- you know, system centric rather
than collector centric. I didn't remember there was type search engine before, but I
hadn't been on there in some time. In fact, that site suits the purpose very well
though I'd love to see some different ways of presenting the system type data rather
than just the pull down search. But certainly no need to reinvent the wheel. That's
always been a pretty great site.
Kevin Parker <trash80 at internode.on.net> wrote:
Is this sort of what you're talking about or
similar...
http://www.old-computers.com/news/default.asp
++++++++++
Kevin Parker
++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Colin Eby
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2012 19:49
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Rare systems register
It occurred to me that the classic computer community could more
actively adopt the model used by car collectors to track survival,
rarity, and provenance/history of their objects. Has this been tried?
Say something like an HP 211x or early DEC PDPs register for instance?
Has anyone had experience with the success, or utility of this type of
thing?
What got me thinking along these lines is the difference between
perception and reality over the relative rarity and value of systems.
People often make judgement calls base on personal affinities rather
than anything empirical. I've noted the disparity between people saying
like, 'wow a straight PDP 8', and opposed to ... 'ah that's just a
Xerox word processor.' One measure is their presence in the
marketplace. How many 860s do you really see compare to PDP8s? In my
world I actually can put hands on three of the former and only one of
the latter. Just an example of course, but we all talk about relative
rarity with only production statistics to go on, and sometimes not even
that. Oddly, sometimes that is a poor indicator of survival, and
therefore rarity.
Thoughts?
"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
-- Colin
At 7:22 AM -0700 8/8/12, Al Kossow wrote:
On 8/7/12 11:20 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
I get the impression that he seems to like to stay out of sight. I
typically forward requests like Earl's onto a Reseller I know (which I It's a mystery .. no one seems to know.
Quite a few people on this list know, and they have said it several
times on this list. The rights were bought from Mentec by XX2247, LLC
I think Dave has been busy with other things, though. just did with his message).
I've pointed out in the past that the fact that there is a rights
holder needs to be advertised, as a lot of people can't figure out who
to contact.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
| http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
| My Photography Website |
| http://www.zanesphotography.com |
-- Colin
6:21 a.m.
New subject: Rare systems register
Good Idea
It would be nice to track the history of a system from the day it
left the factory to its current location.
I doubt the manufacturing and field service histories survive on many
systems. The most likely DEC candidates with a history would be DEC 10's and
20's. There used to be a publication called something like The Computer
Users Year Book. It listed most of the computer installations in the UK at
the time.
The really rare computers did not come from the large players but smaller
science/engineering led companies. I can think of two in the UK
Digico - Micro 16V (Two known examples survive)
Arcturus - One known example.
Then there was the next tier up MODCOMP, Data General, Burroughs, Datapoint
and so on. So registering who has a system not made by IBM or DEC in working
order (or could be made to work) and with some history behind it would be
well worth recording.
?
Rod Smallwood
?
?
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Colin Eby
Sent: 09 August 2012 10:49
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Rare systems register
It occurred to me that the classic computer community could more actively
adopt the model used by car collectors to track survival, rarity, and
provenance/history of their objects. Has this been tried? Say something like
an HP 211x or early DEC PDPs register for instance? Has anyone had
experience with the success, or utility of this type of thing?
What got me thinking along these lines is the difference between perception
and reality over the relative rarity and value of systems. People often make
judgement calls base on personal affinities rather than anything empirical.
I've noted the disparity between people saying like, 'wow a straight PDP 8',
and opposed to ... 'ah that's just a Xerox word processor.' One measure is
their presence in the marketplace. How many 860s do you really see compare
to PDP8s? In my world I actually can put hands on three of the former and
only one of the latter. Just an example of course, but we all talk about
relative rarity with only production statistics to go on, and sometimes not
even that. Oddly, sometimes that is a poor indicator of survival, and
therefore rarity.
Thoughts?
"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
At 7:22 AM -0700 8/8/12, Al Kossow wrote:
-- Colin
On 8/7/12 11:20 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
I get the impression that he seems to like to stay out of sight. I
typically forward requests like Earl's onto a Reseller I know (which
I just did with his message).
I've pointed out in the past that the fact that there is a rights
holder needs to be advertised, as a lot of people can't figure out
who to contact.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
| http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
| My Photography Website |
| http://www.zanesphotography.com | It's a mystery .. no one seems to know.
Quite a few people on this list know, and they have said it several
times on this
list. The rights were bought from Mentec by XX2247, LLC
I think Dave has been busy with other things, though. 
7:42 a.m.
New subject: Rare systems register
Hi
I have some rare machines but it is hard to know how rare.
The Nicolet 1080 I have was in a group of only about 375 made.
To my knowledge, there are only 5 still around to day and only
2 known to be running.
Other things have value but are not particularly rare. These
are just popular, like an IMSAI 8800.
Some, I know are rare but have no idea how many there
may be, like the SIM-4 4004 system.
I would suppose the NA2000 modules would qualify as rare
since most have never seen them before.
Dwight
From: rodsmallwood at btconnect.com
To: cctech at classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Rare systems register
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:21:43 +0100
Good Idea
It would be nice to track the history of a system from the day it
left the factory to its current location.
I doubt the manufacturing and field service histories survive on many
systems. The most likely DEC candidates with a history would be DEC 10's and
20's. There used to be a publication called something like The Computer
Users Year Book. It listed most of the computer installations in the UK at
the time.
The really rare computers did not come from the large players but smaller
science/engineering led companies. I can think of two in the UK
Digico - Micro 16V (Two known examples survive)
Arcturus - One known example.
Then there was the next tier up MODCOMP, Data General, Burroughs, Datapoint
and so on. So registering who has a system not made by IBM or DEC in working
order (or could be made to work) and with some history behind it would be
well worth recording.
Rod Smallwood
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Colin Eby
Sent: 09 August 2012 10:49
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Rare systems register
It occurred to me that the classic computer community could more actively
adopt the model used by car collectors to track survival, rarity, and
provenance/history of their objects. Has this been tried? Say something like
an HP 211x or early DEC PDPs register for instance? Has anyone had
experience with the success, or utility of this type of thing?
What got me thinking along these lines is the difference between perception
and reality over the relative rarity and value of systems. People often make
judgement calls base on personal affinities rather than anything empirical.
I've noted the disparity between people saying like, 'wow a straight PDP 8',
and opposed to ... 'ah that's just a Xerox word processor.' One measure is
their presence in the marketplace. How many 860s do you really see compare
to PDP8s? In my world I actually can put hands on three of the former and
only one of the latter. Just an example of course, but we all talk about
relative rarity with only production statistics to go on, and sometimes not
even that. Oddly, sometimes that is a poor indicator of survival, and
therefore rarity.
Thoughts?
"Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
At 7:22 AM -0700 8/8/12, Al Kossow wrote:
-- Colin
On 8/7/12 11:20 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
I get the impression that he seems to like to stay out of sight. I
typically forward requests like Earl's onto a Reseller I know (which
I just did with his message).
I've pointed out in the past that the fact that there is a rights
holder needs to be advertised, as a lot of people can't figure out
who to contact.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
| http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
| My Photography Website |
| http://www.zanesphotography.com | It's a mystery .. no one seems to know.
Quite a few people on this list know, and they have said it several
times on this
list. The rights were bought from Mentec by XX2247, LLC
I think Dave has been busy with other things, though. 
7:57 a.m.
New subject: Rare systems register
I have some rare machines but it is hard to know how
rare.
I think we will find lots of one-offs and unusual systems that aren't
per se worth much because they have little brand recognition. Alpha
Micros are uncommon, but no one remembers them, for example, while Apple
Twentieth Anniversary Macintoshes exist in greater numbers but have far
greater notoriety (and sell at much higher prices).
A rare machines register would be quite full of these unusual, low-volume
systems no one has ever heard of. Which would be beneficial in its own
right, but unexpected, I would think.
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1:22 p.m.
New subject: Rare systems register
Thoughts?
The problem is that such a survey is tainted from the start. Many
people that hold rare machines (or rare *anything*) often do not
advertise what they have, in fear that they will be bugged to death,
or even marked as a target for theft. Some are downright secretive.
The big iron collectors are very much like this. I know of quite a few
fantastic machines in private hands - but I am not talking! The
holders of those machines absolutely do not want their identities
known, and I will respect them.
And now that the whole Apple 1 phenomenon has hit the public
spotlight, things will probably tighten up further.
But, such a registry is not a bad idea at all - it just that you will
have to take it with a grain of salt.
--
Will
1:48 p.m.
New subject: Rare systems register
In article <CANij+ddumqONE4mESy0NnrM3PbS+2YewmK8YJ2UccimB_Vjh6A at mail.gmail.com>,
William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> writes:
But, such a registry is not a bad idea at all - it
just that you will
have to take it with a grain of salt.
I would simply go for a serial number registry associated with an
account name on that registry site, which may or may not be a
pseudonym.
A wiki with new account approval would probably suffice, at least for
a while.
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3:21 p.m.
New subject: Rare systems register
I think that news link from old-computers.com was probably supposed to be
http://www.old-computers.com/club/collectors/woozgotwat.asp . There have
been multiple registries based on system type but typically they're hosted
just by a person with interest and either gain no momentum or fizzle out
over time. Not sure who a good resource to host such a thing would be.
I've thought about it in general just to get a nice inventory somewhere
including serial numbers. I think it'd be nice also in the off chance of a
stolen system.
3:37 p.m.
New subject: WIRED Article: The Ridiculously Overpriced ‘Vintage’ Tech of Ebay
Heh.. This is something everyone here has been talking about
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/the-ridiculously-overpriced-vintage-…
4:01 p.m.
New subject: WIRED Article: The Ridiculously Overpriced ‘Vintage’ Tech of Ebay
Gee. I need to put my Lisa on there. It will help pay off the mortgage.!
(-:
Terry (Tez)
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Christian Liendo <
christian_liendo at yahoo.com> wrote:
Heh.. This is something everyone here has been talking
about
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/the-ridiculously-overpriced-vintage-…
6:12 p.m.
New subject: WIRED Article: The Ridiculously Overpriced ‘Vintage’ Tech of Ebay
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Christian Liendo wrote:
Heh.. This is something everyone here has been talking
about
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/the-ridiculously-overpriced-vintage-…
Gee... Wonder what my NOS 8008 CPUs are worth now?
7:52 p.m.
New subject: WIRED Article: The Ridiculously Overpriced ‘Vintage’ Tech of Ebay
From: tothwolf at concentric.net
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Christian Liendo wrote:
Hi
Those are asking prices, not those that are sold.
About the only thing I might want to bid on was
the Varian but it was way out of my price range.
About $300 would be my limit.
Dwight
Heh.. This is something everyone here has been
talking about
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/the-ridiculously-overpriced-vintage-…
Gee... Wonder what my NOS 8008 CPUs are worth now? 
9:41 p.m.
New subject: WIRED Article: The Ridiculously Overpriced ‘Vintage’ Tech of Ebay
On 8/9/2012 7:52 PM, dwight elvey wrote:
Varian but it was way out of my price range.
About $300 would be my limit.
I'm guessing the three Varians we have in our
pile would sell if this
one goes. and they cost more than $300 when acquired, so you'll be
waiting for a while. Complete machines the age of the varian are worth
way more than $300, but probably not $10,000.
10 Aug
10 Aug
7:46 a.m.
New subject: WIRED Article: The Ridiculously Overpriced ‘Vintage’ Tech of Ebay
From: jws at jwsss.com
On 8/9/2012 7:52 PM, dwight elvey wrote:
Hi Jim
I'd expect them to go for more than $300 but that
is my budget.
Dwight
Varian but it was way out of my price range.
About $300 would be my limit.
I'm guessing the three Varians we have in our
pile would sell if this
one goes. and they cost more than $300 when acquired, so you'll be
waiting for a while. Complete machines the age of the varian are worth
way more than $300, but probably not $10,000.
9:45 a.m.
New subject: WIRED Article: The Ridiculously Overpriced ‘Vintage’ Tech of Ebay
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, dwight elvey wrote:
From: tothwolf at concentric.net
Of course. People can ask whatever they want, but that doesn't mean those
of us who might be interested in a particular item will be willing to pay
insane amounts of money for something.
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Christian Liendo wrote:
Hi
Those are asking prices, not those that are sold.
About the only thing I might want to bid on was
the Varian but it was way out of my price range.
About $300 would be my limit.
Dwight Heh.. This is something everyone here has been
talking about
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/the-ridiculously-overpriced-vintage-…
Gee... Wonder what my NOS 8008 CPUs are worth now? 
6:03 a.m.
New subject: WIRED Article: The Ridiculously Overpriced ‘Vintage’ Tech of Ebay
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Christian Liendo wrote:
Heh.. This is something everyone here has been talking
about
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/the-ridiculously-overpriced-vintage-…
I wouldn't mind having the Varian 620. That's the brain behind the Vital
I scene generator used on a 727-100 flight simulator I used to work on.
http://flightweb.simpits.org/BehindTheScenes/727sim1.jpg
The "cartridge" on the side was just a wood & acrylic box that held a loop
of punched mylar tape. The tape held all the relevant data for the
current flight (the airport & runway outlines, navigation beacon
frequency, etc) The visual system could display 1023 points (orange or
red) at one time. Fun times. :) (the simulator was built in 1967 by
Conductron-Missouri)
g.
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
5:47 a.m.
New subject: Rare systems register
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Sam O'nella wrote:
I think that news link from old-computers.com was
probably supposed to be
http://www.old-computers.com/club/collectors/woozgotwat.asp . There have
been multiple registries based on system type but typically they're hosted
just by a person with interest and either gain no momentum or fizzle out
over time. Not sure who a good resource to host such a thing would be.
I've thought about it in general just to get a nice inventory somewhere
including serial numbers. I think it'd be nice also in the off chance of a
stolen system.
Here's a very good example of a specific machine registry:
http://c64preservation.com/dp.php?pg=registry
g.
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Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a
server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck.
[Cipher in a.s.r]
8 Aug
8 Aug
1:52 p.m.
The rights were bought from Mentec by XX2247, LLC
With a name like that it's clearly someone who actually has some DEC
clue, not just a random holding company. I'd call that good.
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4:59 p.m.
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Al Kossow wrote:
On 8/7/12 11:20 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
A google on xx2247 reveals an xx2247.org (coming soon), and a whois gives
a real name. It may be unrelated, but you could try the contact
information and see what happens.
Clint
It's a mystery .. no one seems to know.
Quite a few people on this list know, and they have said it several times on
this
list. The rights were bought from Mentec by XX2247, LLC
I think Dave has been busy with other things, though.
12:11 a.m.
Hello,
I think that this information would be interesting for the rest of the list, too. In the
near past, several list members (myself included) thought, that Mentec is the license
holder, but this appears not to be the case anymore.
?
Kind regards,
Pierre
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Von: Earl Evans <earl at retrobits.com>
An: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Gesendet: 0:16 Mittwoch, 8.August 2012
Betreff: Current license holder of DEC PDP-11 operating systems
Hi there,
I'm looking for contact information for the company that is the current
license holder for the DEC-developed PDP-11 operating systems (e.g., RT-11,
RSX, RSTS).? If you have that info and could send it to me off-list, it
would be much appreciated!
Thanks,
- Earl
12:45 a.m.
Hi there,
I'm looking for contact information for the company that is the current
license holder for the DEC-developed PDP-11 operating systems (e.g.,
RT-11,
RSX, RSTS). If you have that info and could send it to me off-list, it
would be much appreciated!
Thanks,
- Earl
Well, Mentec US & Mentec IRL have been bought by Unit4, a Dutch company.
No idea who is the current owner tough....
I suppose I could give it a try and call them. If they don't, then it
may remain a mystery indeed....
Ed
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1:20 a.m.
"E. Groenenberg" <quapla at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Well, Mentec US & Mentec IRL have been bought by Unit4, a Dutch company.
No idea who is the current owner tough....
I suppose I could give it a try and call them. If they don't, then it
may remain a mystery indeed....
I found Mentec Ireland indeed bought by Unit4, but not US. Where
did you find that piece of info?
re,
Sander
1:45 a.m.
"E. Groenenberg" <quapla at xs4all.nl>
wrote:
mentec.com points to unit4
Unless mentec.com was not managed by Mentec, then I made an error here.
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Well, Mentec US & Mentec IRL have been bought by Unit4, a Dutch company.
No idea who is the current owner tough....
I suppose I could give it a try and call them. If they don't, then it
may remain a mystery indeed....
I found Mentec Ireland indeed bought by Unit4, but not US. Where
did you find that piece of info?
re,
Sander
3:05 a.m.
"E. Groenenberg" <quapla at xs4all.nl> wrote:
mentec.com points to unit4
Unless mentec.com was not managed by Mentec, then I made an error here.
Mentec.com was indeed the site. Some research I just did:
In february 2007, it turned from "good" old Mentec to a Calyx Group
owned company
http://web.archive.org/web/20070205074453/http://www.mentec.com/
2009 and 2010 it was 'Under Construction'.
Then in 2011, MentecPlus comes alive at mentecplus.com to which
mentec.com redirects
http://web.archive.org/web/20110129080046/http://mentecplus.com/
New logo and seemingly a completely new business where nothing notes
anything about PDP-11s.
MentecPlus indeed is Unit4 since February of this year :
http://www.unit4software.co.uk/about/news/art/aid/5674/unit4-invests-in-ire….
But I'm not sure if MentecPlus is the Mentec we are searching. Calyx
doesn't seem to know anything about Mentec when searching their
website.
re,
Sander
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