15 Mar
2018
15 Mar
'18
8:22 p.m.
Does anyone know offhand if the CXY08 (M3119) and DELQA (M7516) work with
2.11bsd?
I think the CXY08 has the same programmer interface as the DHV11, and I'm
hoping it works with the 2.11bsd dh driver. Ditto for the DELQA and the qe
driver. If somebody knows for sure, though, I'd appreciate it if you can
save me the trouble of installing it all just to find out it doesn't work.
Thanks,
Bob
15 Mar
15 Mar
11:03 p.m.
On 3/15/2018 8:22 PM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk wrote:
Does anyone know offhand if the CXY08 (M3119) and
DELQA (M7516) work with
2.11bsd?
I think the CXY08 has the same programmer interface as the DHV11, and I'm
hoping it works with the 2.11bsd dh driver. Ditto for the DELQA and the qe
driver. If somebody knows for sure, though, I'd appreciate it if you can
save me the trouble of installing it all just to find out it doesn't work.
The DELQA should work fine with the qe driver.? I can't comment on the
CXY08 as I've never tried it personally.
- Josh
Thanks,
Bob
11:08 p.m.
On 3/15/2018 11:03 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
On 3/15/2018 8:22 PM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk
wrote:
Correction: it's the "qt" driver for the DELQA.? Regardless, it should
work...
?? Does anyone know offhand if the CXY08 (M3119)
and DELQA (M7516)
work with
2.11bsd?
?? I think the CXY08 has the same programmer interface as the DHV11,
and I'm
hoping it works with the 2.11bsd dh driver.? Ditto for the DELQA and
the qe
driver.? If somebody knows for sure, though, I'd appreciate it if you
can
save me the trouble of installing it all just to find out it doesn't
work.
The DELQA should work fine with the qe driver.? I can't comment on the
CXY08 as I've never tried it personally.
- Josh
Thanks,
Bob
30 Mar
30 Mar
7:25 a.m.
Josh Dersch derschjo at gmail.com wrote:
Correction: it's the "qt" driver for the
DELQA.
FWIW, looks like the CXY08 in DHV mode works find with 2.11bsd.
The qt driver, however only works if you have the very late model DELQA that has
"turbo" mode. I think that was called the DETQA, but I'm not sure about
that. If you have an earlier DELQA then the qt driver simply says "qt0: !Turbo"
and quits. Gotta love those terse Un*x error messages!
The older non-turbo DELQAs and the DESQA (M3127, which is what I have) only seem to work
with the qe driver. It correctly recognizes and identifies them as a DELQA. I believe
the DESQA was identical to the DELQA but with S-box handles and a built in thinwire
transceiver.
Bob
12:08 p.m.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
The qt driver, however only works if you have the very late model DELQA that has
"turbo" mode. I think that was called the DETQA, but I'm not sure about
that. If you have an earlier DELQA then the qt driver simply says "qt0: !Turbo"
and quits. Gotta love those terse Un*x error messages!
The older non-turbo DELQAs and the DESQA (M3127, which is what I have) only seem to
work with the qe driver. It correctly recognizes and identifies them as a DELQA. I
believe the DESQA was identical to the DELQA but with S-box handles and a built in
thinwire transceiver.
Bob
Are there any hardware differences between the M7516 non-turbo and the
M7516-YM turbo versions of the DELQA, or only firmware differences?
Can you convert a non-turbo version into a turbo version just be
replacing the firmware EPROM?
I just checked and I have at least two M3127 DESQA. The M3127-PA Rev
B02 has 23-334E5 / 23-335E5 firmware EPROMs, the M3127-PA Rev D03 has
23-365E5 / 23-366E5 EPROMs.
Pete's DECROMs collection says the 23-365E5 / 23-366E5 set is the
DELQA-Plus aka Turbo DELQA Ver.2.0.0 set which replaces the 23-334E5 /
23-335E5 set.
If you have some spare 27C128 EPROMs you could try burning a 23-365E5
/ 23-366E5 set to install in your M3127 DESQA and see if the qt driver
is happy with it. I might try that myself eventually when time
permits.
For the curious about the 2.11BSD "qt0: !Turbo" error message:
src\sys\pdpif\if_qt.c:
qtturbo(sc)
register struct qt_softc *sc;
{
register int i;
register struct qtdevice *addr = sc->addr;
struct qt_init *iniblk = (struct qt_init *)SEG5;
segm seg5;
/*
* Issue the software reset. Delay 150us. The board should now be in
* DELQA-Normal mode. Set ITB and DEQTA select. If both bits do not
* stay turned on then the board is not a DELQA-YM.
*/
addr->arqr = ARQR_SR;
addr->arqr = 0;
delay(150L);
addr->srr = 0x8001; /* MS | ITB */
i = addr->srr;
addr->srr = 0x8000; /* Turn off ITB, set DELQA select */
if (i != 0x8001)
{
printf("qt@%o !-YM\n", addr);
return(0);
}
/*
* Board is a DELQA-YM. Send the commands to enable Turbo mode. Delay
* 1 second, testing the SRR register every millisecond to see if the
* board has shifted to Turbo mode.
*/
addr->xcr0 = 0x0baf;
addr->xcr1 = 0xff00;
for (i = 0; i < 1000; i++)
{
if ((addr->srr & SRR_RESP) == 1)
break;
delay(1000L);
}
if (i >= 1000)
{
printf("qt@%o !Turbo\n", addr);
return(0);
}
12:14 p.m.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Are there any hardware differences between the M7516
non-turbo and the
M7516-YM turbo versions of the DELQA, or only firmware differences?
Can you convert a non-turbo version into a turbo version just be
replacing the firmware EPROM?
The non-turbo I've seen use an AMD Lance ethernet chip (Am7990), while the
turbo I've seen use a DEC chip in its place. Could be important, or could
be coincidence.
12:43 p.m.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk
<
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I just took another look at the two M3127 DESQA I have handy. The
M3127-PA Rev B02 with 23-334E5 / 23-335E5 firmware EPROMs and the
M3127-PA Rev D03 with 23-365E5 / 23-366E5 firmware EPROMs both have
AM7990DC/80 chips, with DEC 21-21672-09 part numbers.
(The main obvious difference between the B02 and D03 revisions is
header block jumpers vs push-button switch transceiver selection).
Found this thread on the subject from back in 2011. Doesn't seem to
include actual results of attempting a firmware only swap.
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?27062-DELQA-vs-DELQA-YM-(Turbo)
Are there any hardware differences between the
M7516 non-turbo and the
M7516-YM turbo versions of the DELQA, or only firmware differences?
Can you convert a non-turbo version into a turbo version just be
replacing the firmware EPROM?
The non-turbo I've seen use an AMD Lance ethernet chip (Am7990), while the
turbo I've seen use a DEC chip in its place. Could be important, or could
be coincidence. 
16 Mar
16 Mar
8:23 a.m.
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:03 AM, Josh Dersch via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 3/15/2018 8:22 PM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk
wrote:
Does anyone know offhand if the CXY08 (M3119) and DELQA (M7516) work
At least he's not trying to use a DEQNA interface, so he's ahead of the
game...
Warner
with
2.11bsd?
I think the CXY08 has the same programmer interface as the DHV11, and
I'm
hoping it works with the 2.11bsd dh driver. Ditto for the DELQA and the
qe
driver. If somebody knows for sure, though, I'd appreciate it if you can
save me the trouble of installing it all just to find out it doesn't work.
The DELQA should work fine with the qe driver. I can't comment on the
CXY08 as I've never tried it personally.
- Josh
Thanks,
Bob
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