23 Aug
2004
23 Aug
'04
8:24 a.m.
http:/wps.com/temp/Terminet-300.jpg
Not for the squeamish. Four photos, arranged like so:
1 2
3 4
Keep in mind this was 1984, the damn thing weighed about 80 lbs, and was
maximally flaking out with a few pickets broken off the print fence.
Excuses, excuses...
Tim Pozar was the photographer.
23 Aug
23 Aug
8:48 a.m.
From: Tom Jennings <tomj(a)wps.com>
http:/wps.com/temp/Terminet-300.jpg
Not for the squeamish. Four photos, arranged like so:
heh. after moving mine a few times... empathy.
here's mine:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/dogas/ge30001.jpg
I also still have it's service manual somewhere for after gravity's angel
kiss here though.
;)
- Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
1:49 p.m.
this is one of the earlier terminet 300 too!
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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: My GE Terminet 300
From: Tom Jennings <tomj(a)wps.com>
http:/wps.com/temp/Terminet-300.jpg
Not for the squeamish. Four photos, arranged like so:
heh. after moving mine a few times... empathy.
here's mine:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/dogas/ge30001.jpg
I also still have it's service manual somewhere for after gravity's angel
kiss here though.
;)
- Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
24 Aug
24 Aug
8:05 a.m.
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 18:49, ed sharpe wrote:
this is one of the earlier terminet 300 too!
I take it they are not common. I wish I had one now...
Keep in mind, it disintegrated in 1984, I bought it who-knows-when,
1970's.
I've done worse things, like throwing out a 100% complete set of Varian
622/i manuals and software on paper tape, including floating point
libraries, assembler, editor, (pain in chest). About that time too.
Whew. Plus the machine itself.
8 a.m.
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 13:48, Mike wrote:
here's mine:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/dogas/ge30001.jpg
Well aren't we fancy! Keyboard! :-)
I also still have it's service manual somewhere
for after gravity's angel
kiss here though.
(If I'd had any docs I might have fixed it... I actually liked the
damned thing, mainly for the noise. I printed out some of the early
Fido/FidoNet manuals on the thing. Bold print and everything!)
23 Aug
23 Aug
9:32 a.m.
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Tom Jennings wrote:
http:/wps.com/temp/Terminet-300.jpg
Not for the squeamish. Four photos, arranged like so:
1 2
3 4
Keep in mind this was 1984, the damn thing weighed about 80 lbs, and was
maximally flaking out with a few pickets broken off the print fence.
Excuses, excuses...
Tim Pozar was the photographer.
It looks it actually came out OK, all things considered.
The piss on the wall is a nice touch though :)
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1:47 p.m.
oh nooo!!!! it is one of the black ones!!! did it say Honeywell on it?
aghghghg yaayeyyyyaaaaeeee ( a renting of clothing in the biblical style)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jennings" <tomj(a)wps.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 1:24 PM
Subject: My GE Terminet 300
http:/wps.com/temp/Terminet-300.jpg
Not for the squeamish. Four photos, arranged like so:
1 2
3 4
Keep in mind this was 1984, the damn thing weighed about 80 lbs, and was
maximally flaking out with a few pickets broken off the print fence.
Excuses, excuses...
Tim Pozar was the photographer.
24 Aug
24 Aug
8:03 a.m.
On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 18:47, ed sharpe wrote:
oh nooo!!!! it is one of the black ones!!! did it
say Honeywell on it?
aghghghg yaayeyyyyaaaaeeee ( a renting of clothing in the biblical style)
Umm, (looks around) well maybe, yes, it did, black wrinkle...
I think I bought it at American Used Computer. Way Back.
1:17 a.m.
In message <1093292683.6189.23.camel@dhcp-248163>
Tom Jennings <tomj(a)wps.com> wrote:
http:/wps.com/temp/Terminet-300.jpg
Not for the squeamish. Four photos, arranged like so:
Eek! I bet that made quite a
bang.
I've just picked up a Liberty Electronics BT1430A0 CRT terminal. RS232
interface (two ports), 12" CRT with amber phosphor, three keyboards (one
working, two for spares) and very minor screen burn. From what I can see in
the ROM dumps, there's a self-test screen and there appears to be a
full-screen Setup option, in addition to the setup option that only uses row
25 (%DEITY knows how to access it though). Took a while to find the Magic
Incantation (tm) to make it store the current setup - you press F3 to enter
setup, navigate with the cursor keys, SPACE changes the value of the
currently selected option, then Ctrl-F3 saves the settings and F3 closes the
Setup tool. FWICT, the actual "model name" for the '1430 was "Freedom
ONE
Plus" (found that in the ROM dump). Does anyone want to stick the ROMs on
their site for the sake of archiving them?
Now if only I could find a way to reduce the amount of 50Hz EMI the terminal
spews out. My Mitsubishi CRT monitor's picture gains a rolling black bar
whenever the terminal is switched on - even though it's a good 6" away. Set
the refresh rate to 75Hz (from 60Hz) and the picture starts shimmering.
Anyone got some spare mumetal? :)
Now if only I could find out why this pesky Win2k box won't display the logon
window, my life would be complete.
Later.
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4:29 a.m.
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Philip Pemberton wrote:
I've just picked up a Liberty Electronics BT1430A0
CRT terminal. RS232
interface (two ports), 12" CRT with amber phosphor, three keyboards (one
working, two for spares) and very minor screen burn. From what I can see in
the ROM dumps, there's a self-test screen and there appears to be a
full-screen Setup option, in addition to the setup option that only uses row
25 (%DEITY knows how to access it though). Took a while to find the Magic
Incantation (tm) to make it store the current setup - you press F3 to enter
setup, navigate with the cursor keys, SPACE changes the value of the
currently selected option, then Ctrl-F3 saves the settings and F3 closes the
Setup tool. FWICT, the actual "model name" for the '1430 was "Freedom
ONE
Plus" (found that in the ROM dump). Does anyone want to stick the ROMs on
their site for the sake of archiving them?
Philip, I believe I *might* have one of these terminals new in the box.
I'll check later today and if so I'll extract the manual and get it to Al
for scanning.
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11:19 a.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Philip, I believe I *might* have one of these
terminals new in the box.
I'll check later today and if so I'll extract the manual and get it to Al
for scanning.
Hi Sellam,
'twas me that sold it to Phil, and I have lots more if anyone else in the
UK wants one and is prepared to either a) pick it up or b) pay for
postage. All have amber CRTs. I also have around a cubic metre or so of
the "spares" keyboards Phil mentions for these.
What I don't have, however, is the manuals - these are with Fred van
Kempen in the Netherlands. *prods Fred*
I also have your LA120 ribbons, Fred. *prods Fred again*
So, if you can get them scanned that'd be great.
Regards,
Ed.
12:10 p.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
In message <Pine.LNX.4.58.0408250016230.17341(a)mooli.org.uk>
Shirker <shirker(a)mooli.org.uk> wrote:
What I don't have, however, is the manuals - these
are with Fred van
Kempen in the Netherlands. *prods Fred*
OK, I'll join you. *prods Fred*
So, if you can get them scanned that'd be great.
Speaking of scanning, if anyone in the UK wants any manuals less than 100 A4
pages scanning, I've got an Epson Perfection 2400 here that can do pretty
decent text scanning.
If anyone wants to see some - ahem - "hardware pr0n", I took a few photos of
the innards of the low-voltage section in the base of the terminal. I've just
finished getting hosting for my domain name set up, so all being well I
should be able to upload them tomorrow. Right now, it's far too late to be
faffing around with SFTP :-)
Later.
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1:39 p.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Shirker wrote:
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
What I have is actually the Liberty Freedom 100. And according to the
manuals I found inside, it may well be a re-badged AT&T Dataspeed 4425.
Can anyone confirm this?
At any rate, I have the Dataspeed 4425 User's Guide and Pocket Reference
Guide. They may well be helpful for the Freedom One Plus. If you can
confirm this then I'll try to get the manuals to Al.
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Philip, I believe I *might* have one of these
terminals new in the box.
I'll check later today and if so I'll extract the manual and get it to Al
for scanning.
Hi Sellam,
'twas me that sold it to Phil, and I have lots more if anyone else in the
UK wants one and is prepared to either a) pick it up or b) pay for
postage. All have amber CRTs. I also have around a cubic metre or so of
the "spares" keyboards Phil mentions for these. 
25 Aug
25 Aug
7:23 a.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
I also have
your LA120 ribbons, Fred. *prods Fred again*
So, if you can get them scanned that'd be great.
CONFUSED here. How the heck do you scan a printer ribbon?
:-) 
8:55 a.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
CONFUSED here. How the heck do you scan a printer ribbon?
:-)
I can think of 2 reasons why you might want to
1) Put the cartridge on a scanner to send an image of it to someone so
they can find the right one in their junk box (I've put parts on a
photocopier before now to keep a record of their size/shape).
2) On a single-shot carbon film ribbon you could probably recover what's
been printed by scanning it. It's trivial on a daisywheel, but on a
multi-pass dot-matirx machine like a Sanders, the pattern on the ribbon
doesn't look like the characters, but probably could be decoded with the
right software.
-tony
12:25 p.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
CONFUSED here. How the heck do you scan a printer
ribbon?
:-)
It's to read the indentations and find out what high
security material was printed with it. I kid you not.
(Ok, maybe a little, but this next part is true.)
Back in college we had a hybrid machine donated to
us. Behind a not particularly obvious hinged panel
was a notebook that contained the machine's security
log. Naturally, I read through it and was quite
stunned when I read the entry where they removed
the line printer ribbon, stamped it classified and
locked it in a safe.
Brian L. Stuart
1:48 p.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, ben franchuk wrote:
With a scanner, of course. ;D
I also have
your LA120 ribbons, Fred. *prods Fred again*
So, if you can get them scanned that'd be great.
CONFUSED here. How the heck
do you scan a printer ribbon?
:-) 
30 Aug
30 Aug
8:38 a.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
Philip Pemberton wrote:
I've just picked up a Liberty Electronics BT1430A0
CRT terminal. RS232
interface (two ports), 12" CRT with amber phosphor, three keyboards (one
working, two for spares) and very minor screen burn. From what I can see in
the ROM dumps, there's a self-test screen and there appears to be a
full-screen Setup option, in addition to the setup option that only uses row
25 (%DEITY knows how to access it though). Took a while to find the Magic
Incantation (tm) to make it store the current setup - you press F3 to enter
setup, navigate with the cursor keys, SPACE changes the value of the
currently selected option, then Ctrl-F3 saves the settings and F3 closes the
Setup tool. FWICT, the actual "model name" for the '1430 was "Freedom
ONE
Plus" (found that in the ROM dump). Does anyone want to stick the ROMs on
their site for the sake of archiving them?
Now if only I could find a way to reduce the amount of 50Hz EMI the terminal
spews out. My Mitsubishi CRT monitor's picture gains a rolling black bar
whenever the terminal is switched on - even though it's a good 6" away. Set
the refresh rate to 75Hz (from 60Hz) and the picture starts shimmering.
Anyone got some spare mumetal? :)
I have the manual for the Liberty Electronics Freedom One Plus CRT terminal, albeit for a
slightly different model # of terminal: BT1431A0).
The manual mentions a couple of keyboard options, one uses an explicit "SETUP"
key to get into setup and one uses the SCROLL-LOCK key to get into setup, the manual
doesn't mention use of F3 to get into setup (?). Getting into full-screen setup should
be accomplished with Shift-<setup>, where <setup> is whichever
setup-entry-option you have. The behaviour is somewhat unusual in that it doesn't
display the full-screen setup until you *release* the shift key and may be why you
haven't discovered it.
Once you get into full-screen setup:
- Shift-F1 goes into a self-test and displays the firmware version (Version 02.6,
Keyboard 04.3, Copyright 1986 on mine)
- Shift-F3 presents some other self-test screens
- Exiting self-test modes is accomplished with *right*Shift-Break ("soft
reset")
Ctl-<setup> saves setup, as you discovered.
Ctl-Shift-<setup> restores default config.
There are several emulation modes (some Wyse, Televideo and ADDS models and ADM-31).
I'm using the terminal as a console for a minicomputer and something I have found
useful is that the printer/aux port can be set into 'bi-directional' mode, making
it possible to connect another computer to the second port for transparent downloading and
uploading between the two computers without having to switch cables or requiring a switch
box.
If there is some particular info you need from the manual let me know.
11:08 a.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
In message <41339040.729BA357(a)cs.ubc.ca>
Brent Hilpert <hilpert(a)cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
The manual mentions a couple of keyboard options, one
uses an explicit
"SETUP" key to get into setup and one uses the SCROLL-LOCK key to get into
setup, the manual doesn't mention use of F3 to get into setup (?).
The slot-in keyboard guide strip on my terminal has "SETUP" listed as F3
(i.e. "SETUP" printed above the F3 key).
Getting into full-screen setup should be accomplished
with Shift-<setup>,
where <setup> is whichever setup-entry-option you have. The behaviour is
somewhat unusual in that it doesn't display the full-screen setup until you
*release* the shift key and may be why you haven't discovered it.
Ah-HA! That did it.
Once you get into full-screen setup:
- Shift-F1 goes into a self-test and displays the firmware version
(Version 02.6, Keyboard 04.3, Copyright 1986 on mine)
Version 02.1, Keyboard 02.3, Copyright 1986 Liberty Electronics USA, Inc. on
mine.
I did find the URL for what used to be Liberty's website. Unfortunately one
of the "lets buy expired domains" search engine type cybersquatter things
bought the domain, put up their search engine... and added a ROBOTS.TXT file
to the server that blocked Wayback (web.archive.org). Wayback noticed the
file... and promptly nuked all the old pre-cybersquat stuff as well.
Another reason why I want the jackasses who do that sort of stuff to be
removed from the genepool in the most painful and thorough way possible.
- Shift-F3 presents some other self-test screens
- Exiting self-test modes is accomplished with *right*Shift-Break ("soft
reset")
Break being F5 on this terminal.
Ctl-<setup> saves setup, as you discovered.
Ctl-Shift-<setup> restores default config.
Now that I didn't know - thanks.
There are several emulation modes (some Wyse,
Televideo and ADDS models and
ADM-31).
Mine has:
DEC VT100 (ASCII)
DEC VT100 (U.K.)
DEC VT52 (ASCII)
DEC VT52 (U.K.)
DASHER 210 [Data General... Hmm...]
DASHER 211 (7-bit)
DASHER 211 (8-bit)
DEC VT200 (7-bit) [the mode I usually use my terminal in]
DEC VT200 (8-bit)
Interesting that Data General made terminals. ISTR the city council had the
libraries system redone in '94 or thereabouts - part of that included
installing a few terminals in each library. All bolted down, tilt-stands
locked, and all with Data General labels on the front. Most were amber-screen
CRT, the rest were white-screen CRT. Nice little terminals.
What I do remember was there being a power cut - the power came back on a few
seconds later and the terminals rebooted... to a "*" prompt. I would like to
know what system they were running the database on - I'm guessing one of the
DG systems, but I've never seen the shell prompt on one of those things...
I'm using the terminal as a console for a
minicomputer and something I
have found useful is that the printer/aux port can be set into
'bi-directional' mode, making it possible to connect another computer to
the second port for transparent downloading and uploading between the two
computers without having to switch cables or requiring a switch box.
Neat trick. I might build a second terminal cable then.
If there is some particular info you need from the
manual let me know.
I would like to know what triggers the "WAIT" LED on the keyboard and what
"U.K." is supposed to signify in the VT52 and VT100 entries.
I suspect the WAIT LED is triggered by DCD going inactive or something like
that.
Any chance you could scan the manual?
Thanks.
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12:14 p.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Philip Pemberton wrote:
I did find the URL for what used to be Liberty's
website. Unfortunately one
of the "lets buy expired domains" search engine type cybersquatter things
bought the domain, put up their search engine... and added a ROBOTS.TXT file
to the server that blocked Wayback (web.archive.org). Wayback noticed the
file... and promptly nuked all the old pre-cybersquat stuff as well.
Another reason why I want the jackasses who do that sort of stuff to be
removed from the genepool in the most painful and thorough way possible.
I share the sentiment but why the hell did archive.org nuke the previous
web pages? That makes *no* sense. You might want to contact them and
bring it to their attention. It might've been a glitch. If it's an
actual practice then it needs to be adjusted.
I would like to know what triggers the
"WAIT" LED on the keyboard and what
"U.K." is supposed to signify in the VT52 and VT100 entries.
It probably just replaces the $ character with the UKP sign, among other
minor adjustments (i.e. UK ASCII).
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8:05 p.m.
New subject: Internet Archive (Wayback) and robots.txt (was: Re: Liberty Freedom One Plus)
In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0408301711540.21716-100000(a)siconic.com>
Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote:
I share the sentiment but why the hell did archive.org
nuke the previous
web pages? That makes *no* sense. You might want to contact them and
bring it to their attention. It might've been a glitch. If it's an
actual practice then it needs to be adjusted.
Okay then. Go to <http://web.archive.org/*/www.leus.com> and pick the October
1st, 2000 archive entry. You'll get a "This site has moved to
www.libertyus.com" page. Now feed the URL "www.libertyus.com" to Wayback
(which should dump you at <http://web.archive.org/*/www.libertyus.com>". Not
the message - "Access to this site has been blocked by the site owner via
robots.txt."
Now open the ROBOTS.TXT Wayback has and <http://www.libertyus.com/robots.txt>
and compare them...
The juicy bit is at <http://www.archive.org/exclude.php>... Looks like
they've got Wayback rigged to destroy any historical data if the current site
owner decides to put up a robots.txt file that blocks IA/Wayback. I consider
this to be severely bugged, but %DEITY knows if they do. In any case, Liberty
Electronics seem to be no more and no-one seems to have taken a mirror of
their website either. And manuals for the terminals seem to be like hen's
teeth :-/
I've contacted the Internet Archive regarding this - %DEITY knows if I'll get
a reply.
Later.
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1 Sep
1 Sep
8:17 a.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
I'm using
the terminal as a console for a minicomputer and something I
have found useful is that the printer/aux port can be set into
'bi-directional' mode, making it possible to connect another computer to
the second port for transparent downloading and uploading between the two
computers without having to switch cables or requiring a switch box.
Neat trick. I might build a second terminal cable then. I would like to know what triggers the
"WAIT" LED on the keyboard
I suspect the WAIT LED is triggered by DCD going inactive or something like
that.
I find no mention in the manual of the WAIT LED and my keyboard doesn't have it.
The terminal does have fairly extensive support for local-edit/block-sending, so it may
indicate 'busy sending' after one initiates a block-send.
and what "U.K." is supposed to signify in
the VT52 and VT100 entries.
Can't help on that as the manual does does not mention the DEC emulations.
It seems Liberty were making revisions quite quickly, even the manual I have (which did
come in the box with the terminal) has some discrepancies with the actual terminal.
Any chance you could scan the manual?
Some day I should go shopping (cringe..!) and get a digital camera and/or scanner, but,
like a good vintage-techy, I figure that Any Day Now a discarded/surplus/repairable
scanner will drop across my path. :) (I'll keep a scan in mind when one does... sorry
for not being able to provide it just now)
31 Aug
31 Aug
9:02 a.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Brent Hilpert wrote:
Getting into full-screen setup should be accomplished
with
Shift-<setup>
Hi Brent,
Thanks for this, and all the rest of the info about these terminals. I
knew the full-screen setup wasn't a figment of my imagination ;)
Regards,
Ed.
10:35 a.m.
New subject: Liberty Freedom One Plus (was Re: My GE Terminet 300)
In message <Pine.LNX.4.58.0408312201250.1507(a)mooli.org.uk>
Shirker <shirker(a)mooli.org.uk> wrote:
Thanks for this, and all the rest of the info about
these terminals. I
knew the full-screen setup wasn't a figment of my imagination ;)
Seconded.
What I would have liked is a *nix termcap/terminfo entry for it. I've just
spent the day playing with terminfo - I now have a terminfo entry for the F1+
that makes the 3x2 control keypad (above the arrow keys) act like it does on
a PC keyboard. I missed the Home, Delete and End keys and couldn't find
anything on Google that mentioned their locations on a VT220 keyboard...
Later.
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