Indeed, lots of interesting things, most of which I cannot realistically hope to get (cost and space). I intend to go for the KFQSA boards as I want at least one. Maybe the RRD40 too. Would love to be able to get the 11/24 but shipping that is too expensive, however it would be nice to get one of the boards out of the PSU as I have hit an impasse trying to repair mine. A blinking lights PDP11 would be amazing, but there I have to draw the line if only for reasons of space right now. Rob let think.

Hi Bob It is in Germany. A bit heavy to take as carry on. Look on the German eBay for the current listing. I'd actually love to have the olivetti M44 but it is way to large to hall across the pond. Dwight

Eek... Thank $deity all mine were free :-) Thinking aobut it, the 9810 doesn't have the blinkenlights panel and is a lot less expandable. It's also a lot slower (being bit-serial, this series is one of the few common-ish bit-serial machines built from simple components). On the otehr hand : The 9810 is a lot smaller and lighter. It'll do something useful on its own without interface boards, peripherals, etc. And it's easier to get spares for (it's almost all TTL, IIRC the 2100A used some odd 'Current Transfer Logic' ICs). -tony

Yes, you're right. I don;t know what I was thinking of last night. I was going to add that they feel a bit like ECL chips. I am pretty sure there are some in the 2100A too. I suspect they're non-tirival to find now, too which could be a problem meaintaining such a machine. There are some manauls for the older HP2100 series machines on the Australian museum site. Some of them include pinouts and brief chracteristics of the ICs. -tony

I forgot the PDP-11/40 when the bid counter reach 1000 EU. Sergio 2011/9/22 Glen Slick <glen.slick at gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Paul Anderson <useddec at gmail.com> wrote: Here are some of the other interesting items from the same seller that ended today: http://www.ebay.com/itm/250891453912 Digital DEC PDP 11 11/23 / 24 ? komplett ? EUR 288.99 Approximately US $395.66 http://www.ebay.com/itm/250891456516 Rare Vintage Computer of the 70s: Digital DEC PDP 11 24 EUR 70.00 Approximately US $95.84 http://www.ebay.com/itm/250891473388 Rare Vintage Computer of the 80s: Digital DEC PDP RK07 EUR 53.78 Approximately US $73.63 http://www.ebay.com/itm/250891455411 Digital DEC PDP Computerschrank PDP 8 -11 Festplattencontroller/ Recheneinheit EUR 782.89 Approximately US $1,071.85 http://www.ebay.com/itm/250891457175 Rare Vintage Computer of the 70s: Digital DEC PDP 11 34 EUR 76.00 Approximately US $104.05 http://www.ebay.com/itm/250891472104 Digital DEC PDP 11 Bandlaufwerk, PU 10, 9 channel EUR 675.00 Approximately US $924.14 http://www.ebay.com/itm/250891475390 Rare Vintage Computer of the 80s: Digital DEC VT52 EUR 163.78 Approximately US $224.23

Hi Paul, Am 23.09.2011 02:02, schrieb Paul Anderson: I bought it. Would like to know who pushed the price from EUR 31 to EUR 782 during the last few seconds..... And yes, it is an RP11C. I talked to the seller on the phone. He found the type plate for me. So I hope that it's fairly complete - there are not too much open positions for missing modules. And I hope to be able to hook my RP02/03 drives to that controller one day... Kind regards, Philipp

Hmm, the 11/40 went for Eur 1531 (approx US $2100) and that's just for the frame with the console & back-planes. not even a power unit or cabinet. I wonder what my 3 cabinet 11/40 with a TU-10 and 2 RK05's would be worth then.... Funny though, the 2 H950 short racks went also for a whopping Eur 163 ( approx $220), something I did not expect. BTW, for those who did follow the DX11 thread, (it's definately not a CX11 as I thought before), I was finally able to clean it and power it up, the top display panel lights up nicely and is a LED version (orange looking color), while the other lights panel is using bulbs. Now, just to hook it up to the 11/34 and see if it is detected by either RT-11 or RSX-11M. BTW, would a bus & tag terminator be a necessity when I want to run some diagnostics (assuming they do exist?) Ed -- Dit is een HTML vrije email / This is an HTML free email.

On 9/22/2011 11:51 PM, SPC wrote: the Olivetti Programma 101 went for 815 Euro.

Or is it another suicide attempt? Meg Whitman did a campaign full of attack ads, spending more money that anybody else has EVER spent in history, and still managed to lose to Governor Moonbeam. Her ads claimed that she created eBay "from a couple of guys with an idea" - it sure seemed to me to be pretty well established before she heard of it. Her acquisition of Paypal was a pretty good idea. Can she finish destroying HP?

When they eff it up enough Agilent can buy it and get HP back on the instruments and rebuild the company Dave Caroline

It is probably better that way. Over the past 8 years or so I have seen HP disintegrate in the PC market. They started going super cheap on parts and quality, that it seems they spent more on class actions and recalls. Example, I worked on a dv6000 that was notorious for the video chip failing due to bad heatsinks. It even went back to them under the recall for them to clean and reset it. I had to flatten out a small piece of copper water pipe, cut it in a square, and shim it between the video chipset and the heatsink with grease between it to get the computer to stop throttling the fans and freezing. My personal zv6000 is actually down right now because it needs some soldering. They came up with a really crappy proprietary power supply plug that the solder joints heat to the point they oxidize and fail (they are small joints handling quite a bit of power) until they are resoldered. I've replaced the connector once because the pins failed on the old one. I've also gone through 5 power adapters. The first two stock, I started buying cheap china ones only to find they fail less than the OEM models. I had heard of a class action starting up on these connectors a while back but seems they failed. I also had 2 hp desktops that worked great until the caps blew up on them. Basically they took what was once a good solid quality name and product and disected the life out of it while jumping on as many new ideas and companies as they could until they had nothing left. The greed got the better of them. Sad really. But that is every company now and we pay for it.

Yes, unfortunately. I am not objecting to the fact hat I can buy a cheap (and lower quality) product, but that I _have to_.I'd like the choice between being able to buy, say, a poorly made calcualtor for 99p (and yes, I've seen them that cheap) and a properly made, repariaable, documetned, calcualtor for \pounds 500.00 Seriously. OK, but where can I buy a laptop that will ''last forever'. I have no particular love of any countries products. Ask me which 35mm rangefinder camera I prefer, and I'll say a Contax II (german). (sorry Leicaphiles, I do think the Contax is a better vamewra). But ask the same question about 35mm SLRs, and I'll pick the Nikon F (Japanese). For home computers, the BBC micro (English). For classic workstations, the PERQ (American/British). For the machine that started my interest, the Philips P850 (Dutch). For calculators, handheld and desktop, it has to be HP (American). And so on My view is thst there was a big change around 1987 when they went from a high-end test equipment company that happend to make computers to a mass-market PC/printer company, Of course the test equipment division became agilent, which has led several of us in HPCC to observe that what we really want are Agilent calculators. Mind you, I don't think some of the modern Agilent stuff is as well made as the classic HP gear. But even befgore that qualtiy was foing down. I do not like the heat-staked, unrepairable cases (started with the 18C). I don't think that even the HP41 was as well amde as an HP67, say. And of course the 95LX (thier first palmtop PC) didn't have dual shot moulded keys... [...] I had the misfortune to buy a 49G. My view is that that machine, as it was first sold, was not of merchantable quality. The firmware didn't implement some advertised features, there were also vert serious bugs. And the docuemtation was quite honestly a joke. Yes, I did send in the card to get the full manaul. And never received one. I also wrote 2 letters to HP, the second one including international reply coupons. I never got a reply. For that reason I will never buy another new HP product. My exepreince is thst the CBV is a lot easier to find than a CX. However, there are features in the CX that cannot be addred to the CV with any available plug-in moduels (a CX is more than a CV with time module and extended functions module built in). I regard the 48s (and the 49, now that the firmware is usable) as being my workhorse machines. I love the large stack, and the fact yuo can push any object onto it. Using a 4-level numerical-only stack is a pain. I am suprised. I didn't thin kthe 20S was RPN, which is one feature I find essential in a handheld calcualtor. -tony

On 09/23/2011 01:39 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: ROFL!! Yes. :-( And it's not a new problem, either. It has happened time and time again. What's going on seems obvious, though. Apotheker was at HP for less than a year, did basically nothing but make half-assed decisions the whole time, and is likely to walk with 38 MILLION dollars. There's a term for that: "Strip mining". Damn suits. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL

On 23 Sep 2011 at 11:36, Ian King wrote: I suppose that the next move will be to fire Meg and hire Larry Flynt for the job. -Chuck

So were mine. I had to explain I was not writing for Penthouse. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- 1-GHz Pentium-III + Java + XSLT == 1-MHz 6502. -- Craig Bruce --------------

Not accurate. Ballmer took over before Bill made his final exit. ________________________________________ From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Toby Thain [toby at telegraphics.com.au] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 4:59 PM To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Is THAT what HP needs?? On 23/09/11 2:36 PM, Ian King wrote: It was flat for years before Gates left. --T

--- On Fri, 9/23/11, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: Do you have a 41C*? If it's a CV, you're in luck. There's an article in a recent issue of Circuit Cellar that describes the resurrection of one via programmable logic. That's the second article they've run (to my knowledge) that delves into saving old h/w from the scrap heap. The earlier one uses GALs to replace the video chip in an ELF. The latter uses FPGAs I think. I'm not saying the author can or will supply the necessary code. But it's been done at least we know.

--- On Mon, 9/26/11, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: The author set out to repair his CV. can you say 'fabrication'. it's become my understanding very recently (due to knowledge I've obtained long ago) that this isn't as much of a problem as it seems. As long as you're adventurous. Uh, since you have so many 41s, would you consider parting with 1 or 2? I doubt you're looking for anything I have, so all I can offer is money.

In Brazil they aren't rare, but (insert expletive here) expensive! :o( Put my name in the "me too" list of "I'd love to have a 41C/CV to play and know more)

HP has been in a death spiral for a long time, it has been since Compaq and DEC.... they acquire such great technologies and squander them :-( Whitman will just be another in a line of CEO's will may just continue the withering of HP Fred Cisin wrote:

On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 14:03 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: I'm convinced that the board's methodology for choosing a new CEO revolves around the phrase "What could possibly go wrong?"

I think the full list can be found there : http://www.ebay.de/csc/johannesmichaelemanuel/m.html?LH_Complete=1 after being registered/logged in on ebay.de. St?phane http://www.kiva.org/team/kathleen

On 09/22/2011 10:49 PM, Glen Slick wrote: It seems everybody here missed one true gem : a pair of ETH Lilith's. hidden inside the Xerox 6805 listing. In more than 10 years it is the only Lilith to surface on ebay. Seller ended the listing early , just seconds after someone bid up manually against my early 1200 Euro bid...... Wonder were these machines will end up now. Jos

Hi Curt, If I can pick up a few more H960's, I'd be able to free up a few, but i'm in IL. Paul On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Curt @ Atari Museum <curt at atarimuseum.com> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Paul Anderson <useddec at gmail.com> wrote: And the Parsytec Multicluster http://www.ebay.de/itm/Rare-Vintage-Computer-of-the-80s-Parsytec-Multiclust… is loaded with Transputers, apparently. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen

2011-09-14 01:13, Paul Anderson skrev: I was hoping it would be a GT40, I think they used the VR14 or 17. But it makes sense that this belongs with the 11/40 and LPS-11 /P

On 9/14/11 3:05 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: GT40 is a combination VT11 11/05 in the same backplane GT44 was the VT11 graphics system in an 11/40 (I really hope someone gets this, BTW, the light pens are VERY difficult to find) GT46 was the VT11 in an 11/34 I've only ever seen GT40's with VR14's, and VR17's on GT44's and 46's

On 9/14/11 4:06 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: DEC-11-HGT44-A_GT44_Users_Guide_Dec73 shows the machine as being in two short cabinets with a VR-17. I know I have the brochure for the GT-46 somewhere. It was a 6' cabinet with two RK-05's. We had one at UW-Milwaukee with an AR-11 and DEC joystick and keypad boxes. We had Unix V6 running on it for a while with VT-11 support. It was a bit of a kludge, since the VT-11 only has 16 bits of address support. A VR-17 would be a bit big to put on top of the GT40, which really is designed to have the VR-14 sitting on top.

I think there was a 'packaged' system used for data logging, etc that consisted of a PD11/40, VT11, LPS11 adn a couple of RK05 drives. A GT40 is basically a PDP11/05 CPU, 8K core, the VT11 boards and a DL11 in a custom-wired backplane. -tony

Yes there is a SLU on one of the CPU boards, but in th GT40 it's used for communcaiton with the keyboard. The DL11 is used fro commuication with the host. I've seen : CPU + 8K core + 4 SLU slots for the 5.25" box CPU + 16K core + 1 SLU slot for the 5.25" box Somthing for a 10.5" box (BA11-K I think), CPU + core, but I can't remember the details CPU + 8K core + VT11 + 1 SPC slot (GT40) -tony

Despite the fact that I'm in Germany next week and it?s a collection of some 1000+ computer related items I just don't have the space. Regards ? Rod Smallwood ? -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Paul Anderson Sent: 14 September 2011 00:13 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: HP, DEC, Olivetti & Apple stuff To anyone close, or maybe speaks German, there are a few hidden treasures in there. The 11/40, according to the board list, has a VT11 in it. The LPS-11 is also rare, and on top of it appears to be a VR17 (or a VR14). These items need a good home. I would also inquire about the cable from VT11 to VR17. I have VT11's, and maybe a LPS11, but no VT14 or VR17. I might try to adapt a VR12 to work on it. If this lot were stateside, I'd be all over parts of it. I'm sure there is a lot more there not shown in the pics. Paul On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:05 AM, E. Groenenberg <quapla at xs4all.nl> wrote: