22 Feb
2022
22 Feb
'22
6:29 p.m.
Hi
?? Well I have had a huge response to my request.
I am unsure as to if I have defined the problem properly.
So a few bullet points.
1. The objective is to copy RX50 disk images (*.dsk format) to genuine
DEC RX50 disks.
2. The PC I want to use is a DEC Celeibris FX ie the PC and its W95
software is as supplied by DEC.
3. It has an RX33 5.25 inch floppy drive.
4. The RX33 _*is*_ capable of? reading and writing RX50 disks.
5.? putR was supposed to be able to do this. It does not.
6.? All that is lacking is the right utility.
7. Doing this does not need any disks other than RX50's.
8. Linux in any of its myriad of forms is not the answer.
9. simH is good at what it does but of no use here
10.? Its just a W95 utility program to copy an RX50 disk image to an
RX50 disk on an RX33 drive on a DEC PC.
11. So whats it called? Does it work? given the above situation?
Rod
23 Feb
23 Feb
4:56 a.m.
Hi Rod,
The "*.dsk" format is just a file extension. What utility created the RX50
disk images?
Tom
On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:29 AM Rod Smallwood via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hi
Well I have had a huge response to my request.
I am unsure as to if I have defined the problem properly.
So a few bullet points.
1. The objective is to copy RX50 disk images (*.dsk format) to genuine
DEC RX50 disks.
2. The PC I want to use is a DEC Celeibris FX ie the PC and its W95
software is as supplied by DEC.
3. It has an RX33 5.25 inch floppy drive.
4. The RX33 _*is*_ capable of reading and writing RX50 disks.
5. putR was supposed to be able to do this. It does not.
6. All that is lacking is the right utility.
7. Doing this does not need any disks other than RX50's.
8. Linux in any of its myriad of forms is not the answer.
9. simH is good at what it does but of no use here
10. Its just a W95 utility program to copy an RX50 disk image to an
RX50 disk on an RX33 drive on a DEC PC.
11. So whats it called? Does it work given the above situation?
Rod
6:50 a.m.
I think you're unnecessarily limiting your options by refusing to use Linux, which as
we've pointed out is something you can do on your existing PC without overwriting the
OS that is on it now.
As for SIMH, I am quite convinced that it IS a perfectly good answer. But sure, if you
have all the floppies you need to do an actual install via floppy media, that's fine
too. It does limit you somewhat; it means you have to use an OS for which RX50 was a
supported kit type. For example, RSTS/E doesn't come that way, so if you want that,
the SIMH route is your only option. And it would not be hard to do so long as you can
find a PC interface for that SCSI drive.
paul
On Feb 22, 2022, at 9:29 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hi
Well I have had a huge response to my request.
I am unsure as to if I have defined the problem properly.
So a few bullet points.
1. The objective is to copy RX50 disk images (*.dsk format) to genuine DEC RX50 disks.
2. The PC I want to use is a DEC Celeibris FX ie the PC and its W95 software is as
supplied by DEC.
3. It has an RX33 5.25 inch floppy drive.
4. The RX33 _*is*_ capable of reading and writing RX50 disks.
5. putR was supposed to be able to do this. It does not.
6. All that is lacking is the right utility.
7. Doing this does not need any disks other than RX50's.
8. Linux in any of its myriad of forms is not the answer.
9. simH is good at what it does but of no use here
10. Its just a W95 utility program to copy an RX50 disk image to an RX50 disk on an RX33
drive on a DEC PC.
11. So whats it called? Does it work given the above situation?
Rod
24 Feb
24 Feb
12:35 a.m.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 15:50, Paul Koning via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I think you're unnecessarily limiting your options by refusing to use Linux, which as
we've pointed out is something you can do on your existing PC without overwriting the
OS that is on it now.
I agree. The same thought crossed my mind, in fact.
A small distro such as Slax ? https://www.slax.org/ ? would fit onto a
single CD-ROM, boot and run entirely from that disk and does not need
to touch the hard disk.
If the machine has a DVD-ROM, then a larger distro such as PC Linux OS
will do the job too. No installation needed.
https://www.pclinuxos.com/
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2:13 a.m.
I already have a Linux system (Ubuntu v20) the problem is
I have no hardware that would run Linux and has a floppy controller.
However thats no longer a problem as I have obtained a full original
MicroRSX distribution on RX50.
But thats not the end of the story.? RT-11 is next
R
On 24/02/2022 08:35, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 15:50, Paul Koning via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I think you're unnecessarily limiting your
options by refusing to use Linux, which as we've pointed out is something you can do
on your existing PC without overwriting the OS that is on it now.
I agree. The same
thought crossed my mind, in fact.
A small distro such as Slax ? https://www.slax.org/ ? would fit onto a
single CD-ROM, boot and run entirely from that disk and does not need
to touch the hard disk.
If the machine has a DVD-ROM, then a larger distro such as PC Linux OS
will do the job too. No installation needed.
https://www.pclinuxos.com/
3:19 a.m.
What version of MicroRSX?
Remember RT11 has a limit of 33mb disk partitions, might want to just
get 30mb MFM drives and run it off the RQDX3
C
On 2/24/2022 5:13 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
I already have a Linux system (Ubuntu v20) the problem
is
I have no hardware that would run Linux and has a floppy controller.
However thats no longer a problem as I have obtained a full original
MicroRSX distribution on RX50.
But thats not the end of the story.? RT-11 is next
R
On 24/02/2022 08:35, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 15:50, Paul Koning via cctalk
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>> I think you're unnecessarily limiting your options by refusing to use
>> Linux, which as we've pointed out is something you can do on your
>> existing PC without overwriting the OS that is on it now.
> I agree. The same thought crossed my mind, in fact.
>
> A small distro such as Slax ? https://www.slax.org/ ? would fit onto a
> single CD-ROM, boot and run entirely from that disk and does not need
> to touch the hard disk.
>
> If the machine has a DVD-ROM, then a larger distro such as PC Linux OS
> will do the job too. No installation needed.
>
> https://www.pclinuxos.com/
>
4:04 a.m.
MicroRSX V1
Partitions - YIK - DU.SYS gets you 8 . SYSGEN more.
I have no MFM drives and loads of SCSI.
How much of a drive gets used - IDC
R
On 24/02/2022 11:19, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
What version of MicroRSX?
Remember RT11 has a limit of 33mb disk partitions, might want to just
get 30mb MFM drives and run it off the RQDX3
C
On 2/24/2022 5:13 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
> I already have a Linux system (Ubuntu v20) the problem is
>
> I have no hardware that would run Linux and has a floppy controller.
>
> However thats no longer a problem as I have obtained a full original
> MicroRSX distribution on RX50.
>
> But thats not the end of the story.? RT-11 is next
>
> R
>
>
> On 24/02/2022 08:35, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 15:50, Paul Koning via cctalk
>> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>> I think you're unnecessarily limiting your options by refusing to
>>> use Linux, which as we've pointed out is something you can do on
>>> your existing PC without overwriting the OS that is on it now.
>> I agree. The same thought crossed my mind, in fact.
>>
>> A small distro such as Slax ? https://www.slax.org/ ? would fit onto a
>> single CD-ROM, boot and run entirely from that disk and does not need
>> to touch the hard disk.
>>
>> If the machine has a DVD-ROM, then a larger distro such as PC Linux OS
>> will do the job too. No installation needed.
>>
>> https://www.pclinuxos.com/
>>
23 Feb
23 Feb
8:52 a.m.
On 2/22/2022 9:29 PM, Rod Smallwood via
cctalk wrote:
Hi
Well I have had a huge response to
my request.
I am unsure as to if I have defined
the problem properly.
Rod, you've defined the problem well enough.
Have you read the PUTR manual thoroughly?
As long as your hardware is OK, PUTR
*should* do what you want.
What is the sequence of PUTR command
lines that you're trying?
- John Singleton
9:38 a.m.
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 9:29 PM Rod Smallwood via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
2. The PC I want to use is a DEC Celeibris FX ie the
PC and its W95
software is as supplied by DEC.
.
.
.
5. putR was supposed to be able to do this. It does
not.
Rod,
My memory is that programs like putr need to run on "real" DOS, not a
DOS window. So if you are trying to run putr without booting to MS-DOS
6.2 or older, that could be the source of your problems with it.
6. All that is lacking is the right utility.
I think other utilities (Teledisk, ImageDisk, etc) _also_ require
MS-DOS not a DOS window under Windows.
-ethan
9:41 a.m.
On 2/23/2022 12:38 PM, Ethan Dicks via
cctalk wrote:
Rod, My memory is that programs like
putr need to run on "real" DOS, not a
DOS window. So if you are trying to
run putr without booting to MS-DOS 6.2
or older, that could be the source of
your problems with it.
He should be able to boot into Windows
95 DOS (prior to running Win95) and have
that work ok.
-js.
9:43 a.m.
On Feb 23, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 9:29 PM Rod Smallwood via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I don't know PUTR, but my experience with DOS int13 code in RSTSFLX (built with DJGPP)
is that it worked fine in a DOS window on Win95. And that makes sense, because Win95 is
basically just a bit of UI veneer over DOS. Win NT is an entirely different thing, of
course, and I would not expect DOS low level I/O to work in Win NT command windows since
those really are not DOS.
paul
2. The PC I want to use is a DEC Celeibris FX ie
the PC and its W95
software is as supplied by DEC.
.
.
.
5. putR was supposed to be able to do this. It
does not.
Rod,
My memory is that programs like putr need to run on "real" DOS, not a
DOS window. So if you are trying to run putr without booting to MS-DOS
6.2 or older, that could be the source of your problems with it. 
10:04 a.m.
On 2/23/22 09:43, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
I don't know PUTR, but my experience with DOS
int13 code in RSTSFLX (built with DJGPP) is that it worked fine in a DOS window on Win95.
And that makes sense, because Win95 is basically just a bit of UI veneer over DOS. Win NT
is an entirely different thing, of course, and I would not expect DOS low level I/O to
work in Win NT command windows since those really are not DOS.
Maybe for Win95, but Win98 and later uses its own 32-bit port drivers
(I'm not certain about 95 OSR2).
If running 98 or 95, just do a "shutdown to MS-DOS prompt", rather than
opening a DOS Window and you'll be fine.
--Chuck
10:16 a.m.
On Feb 23, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
If running 98 or 95, just do a "shutdown to MS-DOS prompt", rather than
opening a DOS Window and you'll be fine.
--Chuck
I?ve written RX50?s to generic PC SSDD disks using a DOS window in 98SE. As long as you?re
running 9x, PUTR should work as intended.
I highly suspect the issue lies with either the floppy controller, or the floppy drive
itself. It would be worth inspecting the floppy drive to make sure lint or other detritus
isn?t blocking the write protect mechanism. I had similar issues with the RX50 in my
11/23
Josh Rice.
24 Feb
24 Feb
12:37 a.m.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 19:04, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Maybe for Win95, but Win98 and later uses its own
32-bit port drivers
(I'm not certain about 95 OSR2).
98 and 98SE are still loaded from DOS and you can shut down and exit
to DOS again too, if you know how. There's no functional difference.
If running 98 or 95, just do a "shutdown to
MS-DOS prompt", rather than
opening a DOS Window and you'll be fine.
I don't think 98 has that option. I know WinME does not.
I would recommend booting to DOS (pressing F5 at startup should be enough).
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23 Feb
23 Feb
3:14 p.m.
To test the false "Write-protect" error, try:
Put a BLANK floppy in the drive, and ask Windoze to FORMAT it.
For simplicity, choose the "360K" or "720K" format.
See what if any errors that generates.
If no errors (or certain specific other ones), then we can assume that the
problem is not with the drive.
If it gives a "write protect" error, even with Windoze FORMAT, then the
hardware seems to be seeing a hardware write protect.
Besides the obvious possibility of a defective write protect switch, or
a cable mismatch, one of the MANY unlikely other possibilities, . . .
I have seen and used floppy drives that were jumpered to reverse the
write-protect sense. Try it again WITH a write protect tab on the disk.
That would confirm THAT particular issue.
Also, put a disk into the drive, and try a simple READ, such as looking at
DIRectory. Assume that you will get errors, but WHICH ONES?
I can understand your refusal to use Linux.
But, are you willing to reboot to MS-DOS?
If not, at least try FORMAT in a DOS CMD window.
Disk I/O error messages in DOS are more meaningful than the
over-simplified messages that Windoze gives.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
Hi
?? Well I have had a huge response to my request.
I am unsure as to if I have defined the problem properly.
So a few bullet points.
1. The objective is to copy RX50 disk images (*.dsk format) to genuine DEC
RX50 disks.
2. The PC I want to use is a DEC Celeibris FX ie the PC and its W95 software
is as supplied by DEC.
3. It has an RX33 5.25 inch floppy drive.
4. The RX33 _*is*_ capable of? reading and writing RX50 disks.
5.? putR was supposed to be able to do this. It does not.
6.? All that is lacking is the right utility.
7. Doing this does not need any disks other than RX50's.
8. Linux in any of its myriad of forms is not the answer.
9. simH is good at what it does but of no use here
10.? Its just a W95 utility program to copy an RX50 disk image to an RX50
disk on an RX33 drive on a DEC PC.
11. So whats it called? Does it work? given the above situation?
Rod
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