3 Dec
2008
3 Dec
'08
9:49 a.m.
Hi all,
Every few months Jay gets busy at work and disappears. That's been a
regular cycle for several years, so personally I don't get too worried.
However, I did start to wonder recently because he's been gone for longer
than usual. Personally I last spoke with him at VCF West in 2007.
Christian wrote >>> where is Jay? I've tried to contact him via email but
haven't got any response yet. His last post to this list was at the end of
May.
Ethan aded >>> I'm guessing, though, that nobody has heard from Jay himself
in quite some time now.
Sridhard noted >>> I hope he's ok.
So I decided to pick up the phone today even though Jay usually doesn't
answer his phone, preferring email.
Alas, I'm very sorry to report this tragic news to the list ....
.... "Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated."
Jay had a very sturdy laugh (for a supposed cadaver) when I mentioned
sending an email with the "tragedy" subject line. :-)
He's just busy at work. As usual.
- Evan
3 Dec
3 Dec
9:53 a.m.
Alas, I'm very sorry to report this tragic news to
the list ....
.... "Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated."
I am horrified to hear that and I wish his family all the best with his
continued survival.
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0d00 -
ps: glad he's ok.
10:28 a.m.
Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Enough of this OT madness!
ps: glad he's ok
pps: seconded
Alas, I'm
very sorry to report this tragic news to the list ....
.... "Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated."
I am horrified to hear that and I wish his family all the best with his
continued survival. 
2:06 p.m.
Jules Richardson wrote:
Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Enough of this OT madness!
ps: glad he's ok
Well if you'd ever bothered to idle in the IRC channel for weeks on end,
you'd see he pops up when everyone else (those of us in GMT or an hour
or two east) are in bed, says hello, then buggers off again...
Gordon
Alas,
I'm very sorry to report this tragic news to the list ....
.... "Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated."
I am horrified to hear that and I wish his family all the best with his
continued survival. 
10:08 a.m.
Alas, I'm very sorry to report this tragic news to
the list ....
.... "Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated."
Jay had a very sturdy laugh (for a supposed cadaver) when I mentioned
sending an email with the "tragedy" subject line. :-)
He's just busy at work. As usual.
With the week I'm having, that subject line was decidedly unappreciated.
Zane
10:24 a.m.
New subject: Free ZX81 kits...
Just found this gem on french "ordinosaures" list:
http://zx81.ordi5.free.fr/paperkit/ZX81_PAPER_KIT.pdf
Jos
10:46 a.m.
New subject: Free ZX81 kits...
Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel wrote:
Just found this gem on french "ordinosaures"
list:
http://zx81.ordi5.free.fr/paperkit/ZX81_PAPER_KIT.pdf
Jos
Still no subsitute for the real thing to keep your door open....
11:02 a.m.
New subject: Free ZX81 kits...
> Just found this gem on french
"ordinosaures" list:
> http://zx81.ordi5.free.fr/paperkit/ZX81_PAPER_KIT.pdf
Still no subsitute for the real thing to keep your
door open....
Just ask Commodore.
--
------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com
-- I, for one, welcome our new C64 overlords. -- John Floren ------------------
11:18 a.m.
New subject: Free ZX81 kits...
Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel wrote:
Just found this gem on french "ordinosaures"
list:
http://zx81.ordi5.free.fr/paperkit/ZX81_PAPER_KIT.pdf
Wonder how long it will be before one of these turns up on ebay as L@@K
R at RE !
Phill.
--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !
"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.
3:27 p.m.
Evan Koblentz wrote:
Hi all,
Alas, I'm very sorry to report this tragic news to the list ....
This is unconscionable.
I don't have any idea how old you are or what kind of company you
keep, but in *my* world, *genuine* tragic news of that kind is too
common to be remotely funny.
Doc
4 Dec
4 Dec
7:41 p.m.
This is unconscionable.
I don't have any idea how old you are or what kind of company you keep,
but in *my* world, *genuine* tragic news of that kind is too common to be
remotely funny.
I found the joke in very bad taste. Some of us are involved with
hobbies that, because of the general old age of the constituency, have
more than a few notices of people that have passed. In the world of
old radio collecting, not a month goes buy without an email notice of
a death, some of which are friends.
Evan, you may want to consider an onlist apology.
--
Will
9:05 p.m.
>> Evan, you may want to consider an onlist
apology.
Okay. Considering ..... Considered ... Ummm, no.
Some people didn't find it amusing. That's their right. We all have
different senses of humor. Other people DID think it was funny, including
our intrepid list owner himself, a few people who posted in reply, and one
guy who sent me a private email suggesting that the non-amused people should
get a grip.
To everyone who wrote something along the lines of, "How dare you, I know
someone who died!" .... Here's some WORSE news .... You're going to die
someday, too. So will I. So will Jay (hopefully not before the server
fills up again). My advice is, lighten up and enjoy life while you can. It
was a simple joke. Turn on CNN; there are better things to get anxious
about.
Finally, to those who questioned my age, character, maturity, and social
circle: I will not defend any of that, because plenty of cc'talkers know me
off-list and will unconditionally vouch for me if asked.
P.s. - Will, I hope to see you at the MARCH party this weekend. :) Speaking
of which, if anyone from cctalk is NOT a member of MARCH ("Mid-Atlantic
Retro Computing Hobbyists," a.k.a. the VCF East guys) and wants to check us
out, this Satuday is a good time to do so. We're having an ultra-informal
swap meet and holiday party in "south-central" New Jersey. Email me
off-list for details.
5 Dec
5 Dec
12:58 a.m.
Evan Koblentz wrote:
I'll remind you of that next time you go off on one of your rants about
the usual things that set you off ;-)
For the record, I thought it was in pretty poor taste, but I've got
better things to do than complain about it.
Gordon
>> Evan,
you may want to consider an onlist apology.
Okay. Considering ..... Considered ... Ummm, no.
Some people didn't find it amusing. That's their right. We all have
different senses of humor.
8:50 a.m.
For the record, I thought it was in pretty poor
taste, but I've got better
things to do than complain about it.
I was not going to comment either, chalking it up to a bad decision on
his part, but just a few hours after the whole mess I actually did
receive a email with sad news. That is what triggered my reaction.
There is one less I will see when I make my annual West Coast trip in
May.
--
Will
7:49 a.m.
I have to agree with Will on this... Evan's a great guy and I like him a
lot. The joke was in poor taste however. A lot of good friends I've
know for 20 years from the hobby have passed on and I personally this
summer almost joined them as I had a tough fight with a very aggressive
heart infection that required 2 separate major open heart surgeries and
2 sets of replacement valves, a new aortic root and stem and the
rebuilding of one of my inner walls of my heart. So life and death
mean a lot more to me now. Kidding around about someone's demise -
not funny.
Evan - your still a great guy, always gonna like ya.... but if you do
that again, next time I'm down your way I'm going to drive right over
your Miata (aka speed bump) with my Hummer ;-)
Curt
Jules Richardson wrote:
William Donzelli wrote:
Evan, you may want to consider an onlist apology.
The way I look at it, he ran it by Jay first, who found it amusing -
if it hadn't been for that, I might have been pissed :-)
10:34 a.m.
Evan - your still a great guy, always gonna like
ya.... but if you do
that again, next time I'm down your way I'm going to drive right over
your Miata (aka speed bump) with my Hummer ;-)
After which it would be necessary to send an announcement to the list.
What would be the reaction?
Should we do a few test runs to see?
Jay might not be happy about such an auto-related post. So you should
probably NOT use your Hummer; drop a Vax on him, instead.
10:50 a.m.
No, not a VAX! Those are valuable! How about a pallet of "Vista-ready" PCs
instead? :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred Cisin
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:34 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Tragedy in our hobby: Jay West ....
Evan - your still a great guy, always gonna like
ya.... but if you do
that again, next time I'm down your way I'm going to drive right over
your Miata (aka speed bump) with my Hummer ;-)
After which it would be necessary to send an announcement to the list.
What would be the reaction?
Should we do a few test runs to see?
Jay might not be happy about such an auto-related post. So you should
probably NOT use your Hummer; drop a Vax on him, instead.
11:14 a.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
Fred Cisin wrote:
You are right ... um 2.1 DOS ready XT's instead, :)
While OT the age is right.
No, not a VAX!
Those are valuable!
Would it actually damage the VAX?
How about a pallet of "Vista-ready" PCs
instead? :-)
No matter how you feel about what he has done,
he deserves more respect than THAT!
11:15 a.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
No, not a VAX!
Those are valuable!
Would it actually damage the VAX? How about a
pallet of "Vista-ready" PCs instead? :-)
No matter how you feel about what he has done,
he deserves more respect than THAT! 
7:03 p.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
On Dec 5, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Probably not. I dropped an 11/780 off the lift gate of a truck once
(not on purpose). The lift gate was about 3' off the ground when the
VAX decided it wanted off (I wasn't going to go with it)! It made a
dent in the ground. The VAX got some scratches but was otherwise fine.
TTFN - Guy
No, not a VAX!
Those are valuable!
Would it actually damage the VAX?
7:22 p.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
Yeah, but move it from one floor of a building to another and you'd best reseat all
the boards. Ironic, isn't it? -- Ian
PS: my comment was mostly about the relative values of a VAX, a Miata and a Hummer. I
don't own a Miata or a Hummer, but I have multiple VAXen....
________________________________________
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Guy
Sotomayor [ggs at shiresoft.com]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:03 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Bad reporting in our hobby:
On Dec 5, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Probably not. I dropped an 11/780 off the lift gate of a truck once
(not on purpose). The lift gate was about 3' off the ground when the
VAX decided it wanted off (I wasn't going to go with it)! It made a
dent in the ground. The VAX got some scratches but was otherwise fine.
TTFN - Guy
No, not a VAX!
Those are valuable!
Would it actually damage the VAX?
6 Dec
6 Dec
1:52 a.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
Ian King wrote:
Yeah, but move it from one floor of a building to
another and you'd best reseat all the boards. Ironic, isn't it? -- Ian
PS: my comment was mostly about the relative values of a VAX, a Miata and a Hummer. I
don't own a Miata or a Hummer, but I have multiple VAXen....
Hideously off-topic, but you are aware that you pretty much can't insure
a Hummer in the UK, because it fails just about every safety test out
there? One vehicle inspector I spoke to said that if you saw one
stopped at traffic lights and kicked the front bumper *really* hard,
you'd probably kill all the occupants.
Just sayin'...
(Maybe you could fit a Miata engine to your VAX)
(Sorry Jay)
Gordon
7 a.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
Really? I'm unaware of the differences in the UK model, but the US
model has a 3/8" thick shaped steel bumper on the front and back, none
of that "cover it over with a piece of flimsy plastic cosmetic bumper
crap that cracks and caves in if you look at a car bumper the wrong
way" it also has a 5/8" thick skid plate underneath - very important
so as not to damage the undercarriage when going over another vehicle ;-)
Here is a pic from VCF East 4.0 in the parking lot outside of
Infoage... I nudged up to about 1/4 of an inch to Evan's car for the
picture.
http://www.atarimuseum.com/downloads/h2vsmiata.jpg
Curt
Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ wrote:
Ian King wrote:
Yeah, but move it from one floor of a building to
another and you'd
best reseat all the boards. Ironic, isn't it? -- Ian
PS: my comment was mostly about the relative values of a VAX, a Miata
and a Hummer. I don't own a Miata or a Hummer, but I have multiple
VAXen....
Hideously off-topic, but you are aware that you pretty much can't
insure a Hummer in the UK, because it fails just about every safety
test out there? One vehicle inspector I spoke to said that if you saw
one stopped at traffic lights and kicked the front bumper *really*
hard, you'd probably kill all the occupants.
Just sayin'...
(Maybe you could fit a Miata engine to your VAX)
(Sorry Jay)
Gordon
7:41 a.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
Really? I'm unaware of the differences in the UK
model, but the US
model has a 3/8" thick shaped steel bumper on the front and back, none
of that "cover it over with a piece of flimsy plastic cosmetic bumper
crap that cracks and caves in if you look at a car bumper the wrong
way" it also has a 5/8" thick skid plate underneath - very important
so as not to damage the undercarriage when going over another vehicle ;-)
Building something like a tank is not the optimum way of protecting the
occupants in a crash. In an accident, the most squishy bits tend to fare the
worse - and guess what they are? :-)
9:07 a.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
Jules Richardson wrote:
Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
Boobs ....
Really? I'm unaware of the differences in
the UK model, but the US
model has a 3/8" thick shaped steel bumper on the front and back,
none of that "cover it over with a piece of flimsy plastic cosmetic
bumper crap that cracks and caves in if you look at a car bumper the
wrong way" it also has a 5/8" thick skid plate underneath - very
important so as not to damage the undercarriage when going over
another vehicle ;-)
Building something like a tank is not the optimum way of protecting
the occupants in a crash. In an accident, the most squishy bits tend
to fare the worse - and guess what they are? :-)
7:53 a.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
They should outlaw those assault vehicle !
No civilian needs a motorized battering ram that big in a civilized world.
I bet it holds more than an acceptable amount of highly explosive fuel to improve its
impact potential,
while at the same time funding terrorists somewhere somehow.
If road defense or protection from random road rage is the goal,
than dump that modern windows based battering ram and get a nice clasic jeep and a [semi,
automatic]
weapon before it is too late.
Bartlett makes a nice 50 cal that will stop anything on the road with a nice [head, block]
shot if you insist
on a modern solution to the problem :-)
In keeping with the classic tone of this group,
my I suggest a nice Willys more like the one pictured here.
http://tinyurl.com/588k77
aka
http://postcardbob.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=GML2007&id=…
Back under my rock .....
The other Bob
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:00:09 -0500, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
Really? I'm unaware of the differences in the UK
model, but the US
model has a 3/8" thick shaped steel bumper on the front and back, none
of that "cover it over with a piece of flimsy plastic cosmetic bumper
crap that cracks and caves in if you look at a car bumper the wrong
way" it also has a 5/8" thick skid plate underneath - very important
so as not to damage the undercarriage when going over another vehicle ;-)
12:10 p.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Bob Bradlee wrote:
In keeping with the classic tone of this group,
my I suggest a nice Willys more like the one pictured here.
The last Willys that I had was an FC170. It had a 4 x 9 foot box that
would haul an amazing amount of classic comupter gear.
3:50 p.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
True, but I need to protect a VAX or an Arcade machine that I'm
transporting - plus of course, have nice leather setting, in-seat DVD
entertainment and XM-Radio ;-)
Though the 50 cal accessory sounds like a nice add-on though! :-)
Curt
Bob Bradlee wrote:
They should outlaw those assault vehicle !
No civilian needs a motorized battering ram that big in a civilized world.
I bet it holds more than an acceptable amount of highly explosive fuel to improve its
impact potential,
while at the same time funding terrorists somewhere somehow.
If road defense or protection from random road rage is the goal,
than dump that modern windows based battering ram and get a nice clasic jeep and a [semi,
automatic]
weapon before it is too late.
Bartlett makes a nice 50 cal that will stop anything on the road with a nice [head,
block] shot if you insist
on a modern solution to the problem :-)
In keeping with the classic tone of this group,
my I suggest a nice Willys more like the one pictured here.
http://tinyurl.com/588k77
aka
http://postcardbob.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=GML2007&id=…
Back under my rock .....
The other Bob
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:00:09 -0500, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
Really? I'm unaware of the differences in
the UK model, but the US
model has a 3/8" thick shaped steel bumper on the front and back, none
of that "cover it over with a piece of flimsy plastic cosmetic bumper
crap that cracks and caves in if you look at a car bumper the wrong
way" it also has a 5/8" thick skid plate underneath - very important
so as not to damage the undercarriage when going over another vehicle ;-)
2:17 p.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
Really? I'm unaware of the differences in the UK
model, but the US
model has a 3/8" thick shaped steel bumper on the front and back, none
of that "cover it over with a piece of flimsy plastic cosmetic bumper
crap that cracks and caves in if you look at a car bumper the wrong
way" it also has a 5/8" thick skid plate underneath - very important
so as not to damage the undercarriage when going over another vehicle ;-)
Precisely. In even a very low-speed shunt, all the force is transmitted
to the soft squashy people inside. You end up with dead people with no
visible injuries, and no recognisable internal organs.
Never mind that they're made out of crappy flimsy metal - my first
experience of a Hummer H2 was watching the front half being winched onto
a low loader, while the paramedics hosed what was left of the rear seat
passengers out of the back half a couple of hundred yards away. The
police were taking the details of the people in the Renault Megane that
had hit it amidships...
Gordon
7:05 p.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
On Friday 05 December 2008, Ian King wrote:
Yeah, but move it from one floor of a building to
another and you'd
best reseat all the boards. Ironic, isn't it? -- Ian
Actually, the last time I was having problems with my VAX (shortly
before this year's VCF/MW), I moved it to the VCF, and powered it up...
Apparently, the jostling re-seated the boards enough to make it work
again.
Pat
PS: my comment was mostly about the relative values of a VAX, a Miata
and a Hummer. I don't own a Miata or a Hummer, but I have multiple
VAXen....
VAXes may be less common, but in they certainly aren't worth as much
(monetarily) as most cars these days. Anything more than a few k$ from
a reseller for pretty much any model you can find readily would really
suprise me.
Pat
________________________________________
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Guy Sotomayor [ggs at shiresoft.com] Sent: Friday, December
05, 2008 7:03 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Bad reporting in our hobby:
On Dec 5, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Probably not. I dropped an 11/780 off the lift gate of a truck once
(not on purpose). The lift gate was about 3' off the ground when the
VAX decided it wanted off (I wasn't going to go with it)! It made a
dent in the ground. The VAX got some scratches but was otherwise
fine.
TTFN - Guy
--
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The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
No, not a
VAX! Those are valuable!
Would it actually damage the VAX?
5 Dec
5 Dec
7:38 p.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
Would it
actually damage the VAX?
Probably not. I dropped an 11/780 off the lift gate of a truck once
(not on purpose). The lift gate was about 3' off the ground when the
VAX decided it wanted off (I wasn't going to go with it)! It made a
dent in the ground. The VAX got some scratches but was otherwise fine. 
6 Dec
6 Dec
1:08 a.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
Would it actually damage the VAX?
Probably not.
I dropped an 11/780 off the lift gate of a truck once
(not on purpose). The lift gate was about 3' off the ground when the
VAX decided it wanted off (I wasn't going to go with it)! It made a
dent in the ground. The VAX got some scratches but was otherwise fine. 
7:17 a.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
Alexandre Souza wrote:
Warning:
Never anger somebody enough to scratch a VAX.
The VAX should be praised!
PRAISE THE VAX! Because him is all the reign of (insert expletive
here) power comsumption and weight!
Bull. My ES/9021 outweighs and out-power-consumes pretty much any VAX.
Peace... Sridhar
Would it
actually damage the VAX?
Probably not. I dropped an 11/780 off the lift gate of a
truck once
(not on purpose). The lift gate was about 3' off the ground when the
VAX decided it wanted off (I wasn't going to go with it)! It made a
dent in the ground. The VAX got some scratches but was otherwise fine.
12:07 p.m.
New subject: Bad reporting in our hobby:
The VAX
should be praised!
PRAISE THE VAX! Because him is all the reign of (insert expletive
here) power comsumption and weight!
Bull. My ES/9021 outweighs and out-power-consumes
pretty much any VAX.
Well, it becomes a theoretical question, since Evan, although unrepentent,
has been adequately warned, and is surely never going to make that mistake
enough additional times to warrant having BOTH a VAX AND an ES/9021 being
dropped on him.
3 Dec
3 Dec
6:55 p.m.
Damn !! I had already sent the bereavement card !!
Sadest regards, Steven
Hi all,
Every few months Jay gets busy at work and disappears. That's been a
regular cycle for several years, so personally I don't get too worried.
However, I did start to wonder recently because he's been gone for longer
than usual. Personally I last spoke with him at VCF West in 2007.
Christian wrote >>> where is Jay? I've tried to contact him via email but
haven't got any response yet. His last post to this list was at the end of
May.
Ethan aded >>> I'm guessing, though, that nobody has heard from Jay
himself
in quite some time now.
Sridhard noted >>> I hope he's ok.
So I decided to pick up the phone today even though Jay usually doesn't
answer his phone, preferring email.
Alas, I'm very sorry to report this tragic news to the list ....
.... "Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated."
Jay had a very sturdy laugh (for a supposed cadaver) when I mentioned
sending an email with the "tragedy" subject line. :-)
He's just busy at work. As usual.
- Evan
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