26 Jan
2012
26 Jan
'12
10:36 a.m.
Does anyone have any experience with this device? It's inexpensive
and seems like it might handle the needs of ROM/PROM/EPROM dumping and
EE/EPROM programming.
<http://www.sivava.com/>
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26 Jan
11:05 a.m.
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Richard wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with this device?
It's inexpensive
and seems like it might handle the needs of ROM/PROM/EPROM dumping and
EE/EPROM programming.
I've pondered getting one for a few years. What's stopping me is that it
seems really poorly documented. It seems like it would be a cinch to work
with Linux, but I don't know...
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11:58 a.m.
On 1/26/2012 1:05 PM, David Griffith wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Richard wrote:
I use one of these, it works great for programming 27XXX,27CXXX, FLASH,
and some uCs.
Understand, though, what you are buying. Willem is an open source
design, it works best on Windows machines, requires a parallel port
(there is a newer version of the Willem that uses USB, but most WIllems
are still Parallel Port models), and it a cheap entry level programmer
that requires manual switch changes to program different ROMs.
To that end, I bought mine for $15+$15 S&H. It looks like they are
running a bit higher now, but:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Willem-5-0-EPROM-PIC-Programmer-27C256-27C512-E10-/…
Looks like a reasonable buy.
While there are Linux options (http://sourceforge.net/projects/geepro/),
I think you'd be better off buying a better programmer unless you enjoy
tinkering with config files and such. The Windows option works well
because it's a "select the ROM type, match the switch settings on the
device with the picture on the UI, program" type of operation.
Jim
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Does anyone have any experience with this device?
It's inexpensive
and seems like it might handle the needs of ROM/PROM/EPROM dumping and
EE/EPROM programming.
I've pondered getting one for a few years. What's stopping me is that
it seems really poorly documented. It seems like it would be a cinch
to work with Linux, but I don't know...
12:36 p.m.
I use one of these, it works great for programming
27XXX,27CXXX, FLASH,
and some uCs.
I'd had a couple of these as well. As Brain said, also works great for
me for flash and a number of 27x devices. Only thing I've seen is that
they (at least the 2 I've used) tend to be finicky with smaller chips
like 2764 and 2732. They seemed to like certain brands (e.g. Intel)
better than others. That being said, the newer models may be better.
To combat the small chip issues, I later snapped up a Pocket Programmer
that works great with those and some of the more obscure old chips, and
I break out the Willem for flash stuff.
James
27 Jan
27 Jan
4:31 a.m.
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, David Griffith wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Richard wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with this device? It's inexpensive
> and seems like it might handle the needs of ROM/PROM/EPROM dumping and
> EE/EPROM programming.
I've pondered getting one for a few years.
What's stopping me is that it
seems really poorly documented. It seems like it would be a cinch to work
with Linux, but I don't know...
I would stay away from the Sivava unit. I bought one several years ago
and discovered:
- It's a proprietary mod of the Willem with a closed-source fork of the
Willem software.
- It's poorly documented
- The seller does not repond to e-mail
- The seller aggravated many in the Willem community with his actions.
- The DC-DC voltage converter, required for blowing older 2716/2732 EPROMs
is very lightweight and cannot sink enough current to do a good job on the
"non-A" variants of these chips.
I ended up writing off the investment and buying a new Andromeda Research
unit. These have excellent support and the vendor will gladly sell blank
boards and schematics for the various personality adapters - a big plus
since the costs on those can add up.
Steve
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5:01 a.m.
A friend of mine discovered how sivava modded the Willem and published a
page
http://www.py2bbs.qsl.br/willem_pcb45.php
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, David Griffith wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Richard wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with this device? It's inexpensive
> and seems like it might handle the needs of ROM/PROM/EPROM dumping and
> EE/EPROM programming.
I've pondered getting one for a few years.
What's stopping me is that it
seems really poorly documented. It seems like it would be a cinch to
work with Linux, but I don't know...
I would stay away from the Sivava unit. I bought one several years ago
and discovered:
- It's a proprietary mod of the Willem with a closed-source fork of the
Willem software.
- It's poorly documented
- The seller does not repond to e-mail
- The seller aggravated many in the Willem community with his actions.
- The DC-DC voltage converter, required for blowing older 2716/2732 EPROMs
is very lightweight and cannot sink enough current to do a good job on the
"non-A" variants of these chips.
I ended up writing off the investment and buying a new Andromeda Research
unit. These have excellent support and the vendor will gladly sell blank
boards and schematics for the various personality adapters - a big plus
since the costs on those can add up.
Steve
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26 Jan
26 Jan
11:39 a.m.
--- On Thu, 1/26/12, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with
this device?? It's inexpensive
and seems like it might handle the needs of ROM/PROM/EPROM
dumping and
EE/EPROM programming.
It has one thing going for it. It's cheap.
That is all. Having messed with one (albiet, an older version), I could find no other
redeeming qualities. The hardware was flakey. The software was abysmal. You had to set DIP
switches for everything. Programming older chips requiring a 25v VPP required hacking in
your own power circuit.
Even when you were using newer ROMs, it wasn't a good programmer. I know one arcade
collector that smashed his with a hammer out of frustration after spending hours trying to
burn some common chips.
Unless they've made some serious improvements to the design, I think you're better
off with nearly anything else.
Personally, I love my Needham's PB-10. It's an ISA card with amazingly fantasitc,
easy to use software, and it's incredibly reliable. I also have an EETools TopMax, and
while the software isn't as nice, it does have a larger range of supported devices,
and it too is reliable.
-Ian
12:08 p.m.
On 26 Jan 2012 at 11:39, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
It has one thing going for it. It's cheap.
But some of the Chinese USB-powered programmers are just as cheap and
come with a nice box--and they'll do GALs, which, as far as I know,
the Willem won't do. Neither, AFAIK, will do bipolar PROMs.
Given that a lot of the stuff you want to program is old, your best
bet may be an old programmer. I have a parallel-port interfaced
Xeltek unit run from DOS and it seems to do most of what I routinely
need to do.
--Chuck
12:45 p.m.
Given that a lot of the stuff you want to program is
old, your best
bet may be an old programmer. I have a parallel-port interfaced
Xeltek unit run from DOS and it seems to do most of what I routinely
need to do.
Heck, my EPROM programmer of choice is my trusty Promenade, connected to
the Commodore 128.
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6:30 p.m.
On 26 Jan 2012 at 23:39, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
For about $100 you can get a Wellon if you shop carefully. For about
$30, you can get a Chinese USB programmer that can still do GALs.
--Chuck
But some of
the Chinese USB-powered programmers are just as cheap
and come with a nice box--and they'll do GALs, which, as far as I
know, the Willem won't do. Neither, AFAIK, will do bipolar PROMs.
For $300 you can get a chinese BEEPROG... 
27 Jan
27 Jan
4:53 p.m.
On 1/26/12 5:39 PM, "Alexandre Souza - Listas" <pu1bzz.listas at
gmail.com>
wrote:
The beeprog original developers claim that if you try to use the current rev
of beeprog softwre it can detect the clones and brick them.
But some of
the Chinese USB-powered programmers are just as cheap and
come with a nice box--and they'll do GALs, which, as far as I know,
the Willem won't do. Neither, AFAIK, will do bipolar PROMs.
For $300 you can get a chinese BEEPROG...
5:43 p.m.
On 27 Jan 2012 at 23:20, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
Interesting--Xeltek has had the same issue with Chinese Xelteks.
--Chuck
The beeprog
original developers claim that if you try to use the
current rev of beeprog softwre it can detect the clones and brick
them.
That's why it is so cheap.
7:52 p.m.
On 1/27/12 5:43 PM, "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 27 Jan 2012 at 23:20, Alexandre Souza - Listas
wrote:
Interesting--Xeltek has had the same issue with Chinese Xelteks.
--Chuck
It annoys me that the devs of the original unit would purposely damage
someone's programmer, I could see making the software not work, but not to
purposely brick the hardware.
The
beeprog original developers claim that if you try to use the
current rev of beeprog softwre it can detect the clones and brick
them.
That's why it is so cheap.
8:09 p.m.
On 27 Jan 2012 at 19:52, Geoffrey Reed wrote:
It annoys me that the devs of the original unit would
purposely damage
someone's programmer, I could see making the software not work, but
not to purposely brick the hardware.
It reminds me of an 80's software publishers gambit--go and clobber
the hard disk if a pirate copy is discovered on floppy.
Can't remember who it was or the details, but I remember that things
turned out badly for them.
--Chuck
8:33 p.m.
New subject: Over-reactions (Was: Willem EPROM programmer
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, Chuck Guzis wrote:
It reminds me of an 80's software publishers
gambit--go and clobber
the hard disk if a pirate copy is discovered on floppy.
Can't remember who it was or the details, but I remember that things
turned out badly for them.
Vault Corporation.
They had a successful copy-protection system called "Prolock".
Their suite of copy-protection products included ones with physical damage
to the disk - if the running program did not find that physical damage, it
would declare the copy bogus. Since it would not impress investors to see
a room full of people with paper clips scratching diskettes, they used a
"laser fingerprint" to scratch the disk.
They ANNOUNCED a NEW AND IMPROVED "PROLOCK PLUS"? with the retaliation
"feature".
Imagine the liability issues if it ever false triggered!
Imagine the liability issues of even a VALID trigger damaging ANYTHING
other than THEIR files! (detecting a pirated copy of your program does
NOT legally entitle you to damage property of the pirate)
(Taking the guys over to visit the pitate and knee-capping him would not
have worse press)
Imagine the PR issues for any company whose product used that protection!
IMMEDIATELY, just about every customer that they had for Prolock dropped
it, and publicly stated that they hadn't and wouldn't use the new product.
Tactical Nuclear Foot Shooting!
They were GONE overnight.
The NEW product never reached market, NOBODY ever got it. Yet, for
years, clueless Q&A column writers would blame "rogue copy-protection"
when they couldn't figure out what actually crashed somebody's machine.
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8:51 p.m.
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On 27 Jan 2012 at 20:33, Fred Cisin wrote:
Vault Corporation.
Thanks for the memory-tickler. It was funny in a way, talk about
making strategic errors--even back in the pre-Internet days, the word
traveled quickly--and got magnified with every recounting. I
wondered when it would get to exploding floppies...
--Chuck
28 Jan
28 Jan
1:22 p.m.
New subject: Over-reactions (Was: Willem EPROM programmer
> Vault Corporation.
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Thanks for the memory-tickler. It was funny in a way,
talk about
making strategic errors--even back in the pre-Internet days, the word
traveled quickly--and got magnified with every recounting. I
wondered when it would get to exploding floppies...
I need to mention that my description of the incident is NOT based on
first-hand knowledge. All of that was from "news" stories in Infoworld
and PC-Week, some as news articles and a little from Spencer Catt (sp?)
and Robert Cringely, plus just a few personal discussions with some folk
who were Prolock customers before that.
Vault Corp. got what they deserved.
I don't believe that I have magnified it any further than the absolutely
amazing original story. It it, however, close to unbelievable that
anybody would make such a public announcement, apparently with NO attempt
to check with a lawyer about legality of retaliation (a helluva lot of
people can't differentiate revenge V "justice", nor even revenge V
"self-defense"), nor check with ANYBODY with common sense over what the
PR would be!
("We will rape the horses and ride off on the women!")
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2:03 p.m.
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On 28 January 2012 21:22, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
I don't believe that I have magnified it any further than the absolutely
amazing original story. ? It it, however, close to unbelievable that
anybody would make such a public announcement, apparently with NO attempt
to check with a lawyer about legality of retaliation (a helluva lot of
people can't differentiate revenge V "justice", nor even revenge V
"self-defense"), nor check with ANYBODY with common sense over what the
PR would be!
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On 28 January 2012 21:22, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
On the note of comics...
("We will rape the horses and ride off on the
women!")
Also reminds me of a rare, work-safe Oglaf:
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1:02 a.m.
It annoys me that the devs of the original unit would
purposely damage
someone's programmer, I could see making the software not work, but not to
purposely brick the hardware.
Someday, someone will understand the proccess, and make the chinese
Beeprog compatible with the original one... :o)
26 Jan
26 Jan
12:09 p.m.
In article <1327606762.93003.YahooMailClassic at web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,
Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com> writes:
Personally, I love my Needham's PB-10. [...]
OK, except for a few problems.
1) I don't have any machines with ISA slots anymore; I'd have to
resurrect something.
2) Nobody sells this thing anymore.
I'd rather have something that connects to the computer via USB and
has software that works with modern versions of Windows (shut up, DM).
I don't care if it's open source or not, I'm more interested in ease
of use and right-tool-for-the-job-ness.
I know everyone has their favorite vintage programmer that only works
with MS-DOS and sticks and stone knives, but I'm not interested in
recreating a "vintage PROM experience" as I am interested in getting
the job of archiving all the little PROM bits in my hardware.
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On Jan 26, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Richard wrote:
In article <1327606762.93003.YahooMailClassic at web121605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,
Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com> writes:
Given all these factors, Xeltek's modern line isn't too bad. They usually support
lots of devices as well, including a lot of vintage ones. They're pricey, though;
I've hung on to my old parallel port one (SuperPro 280) that requires me to put a PCIe
parallel port in my machine and then run XP in a VM so it thinks that the port is at 0x378
just because I spent a pretty penny on it when it was new and I know it works very well
(curiously, though, their NMC9306 algorithm is wrong and there appears to be no way to fix
it).
Their software looks like barf, but it's certainly basically functional. I've not
been displeased with the thing aside from the NMC9306 issue. Their modern low-end device
(the SuperPro M) runs off USB and is compatible with modern versions of Windows, and it
doesn't look like they ever get rid of programming algorithms; it seems to support at
least the major chips I use. It's $600, which is probably less than what your time is
worth if you spend 6 hours fiddling with a poorly-implemented piece of crap.
I'm seriously considering upgrading to that when I have the spare cash, but that's
not right now. They do have a trade-in program, which might make it a little less painful
for me.
If you need to program a zillion EPROMs at a time, they have multi-ganged ones as well,
but that doesn't sound like what you need.
http://www.xeltek.com/SuperPro-M-product-17713
- Dave
Personally, I love my Needham's PB-10. [...]
OK, except for a few problems.
1) I don't have any machines with ISA slots anymore; I'd have to
resurrect something.
2) Nobody sells this thing anymore.
I'd rather have something that connects to the computer via USB and
has software that works with modern versions of Windows.
3:17 p.m.
On 26 Jan 2012 at 16:03, David Riley wrote:
Given all these factors, Xeltek's modern line
isn't too bad. They
usually support lots of devices as well, including a lot of vintage
ones. They're pricey, though; I've hung on to my old parallel port
one (SuperPro 280) that requires me to put a PCIe parallel port in my
machine and then run XP in a VM so it thinks that the port is at 0x378
just because I spent a pretty penny on it when it was new and I know
it works very well (curiously, though, their NMC9306 algorithm is
wrong and there appears to be no way to fix it).
I just grabbed a cheap Neoware thin client which still has parallel
and serial ports. It'll boot off of the internal flash or a USB pen
drive. Small, has its own internal power supply, so I don't mind
relying on it to run the Xeltek.
It looks as if most of Xeltek programming software hasn't changed in
look and feel for a very long time. Even the DOS-mode software
closely resembles the Windoze stuff.
One very cool aspect of the Xeltek stuff is that you can drop some
house-numbered TTL DIP into the socket and it'll try to identify it.
It doesn't work for the more complex logic, such as 74181s, but it
picked up a couple Fujitsu chips that I could not identify.
There's another Chinese brand out there that appears to be a bit more
professional that the usual junk--the "Wellon" line. They claim a
lot of devices, but I know nothing about them other than that.
--Chuck
5:45 p.m.
There's another Chinese brand out there that
appears to be a bit more
professional that the usual junk--the "Wellon" line. They claim a
lot of devices, but I know nothing about them other than that.
I had one before beeprog. The VP-280. Excellent stuff. Better IC tester
(it identifies ICs) than Beeprog's
1:05 p.m.
--- On Thu, 1/26/12, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
I don't care if it's open source or not,
I'm more interested
in ease
of use and right-tool-for-the-job-ness.
So you'll definitely not want a Willem...
I know everyone has their favorite vintage programmer
that
only works
with MS-DOS and sticks and stone knives, but I'm not
interested in
recreating a "vintage PROM experience" as I am interested in
getting
the job of archiving all the little PROM bits in my
hardware.
Well, I use the vintage programmer because it works *correctly*. EVERY TIME. No messing
around, no fussing with settings, just does exactly what I want it to do, in a very easy
to use manner. The software is elegant and clean, and the hardware is reliable. It's
the right tool for the job because it does the job it's supposed to do. The fact that
it doesn't require Windows is a bonus. :)
Personally, I've not had any experience with the latest round of Chinese USB
programmers. They might be OK. You'd have to talk to someone that uses one. But
don't discount the old programmers - they were built back when EPROM technology was in
current use, and many of them work very, very well. Not only that, but many of the very
old ROM formats (bipolar PROMs) aren't supported by new programmers. If you only care
about stuff from about the mid 80's on up, then you should have absolutely no problem
with a modern, inexpensive programmer. But once you start needing to deal with anything
older (2532, bipolar PROM, etc) the support can get sketchy.
Not everything is just about the fact that we like using old stuff (we do), but sometimes
the old stuff really, truly, does work better than new stuff. It's frequently a lot
cheaper too. :)
-Ian
1:48 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com> wrote:
If you only care about stuff from about the mid
80's on up, then you should have absolutely no problem with a modern, inexpensive
programmer. But once you start needing to deal with anything older (2532, bipolar PROM,
etc) the support can get sketchy.
I do need to occasionally burn bipolar PROMs, and I _definitely_ need
to program 2532s (for PETs).
I also need to program new, massive EEPROMs and GALs and microcontrollers.
I have and use multiple programmers. I don't know of one device that
handles every device I have burned in the past 10 years.
I look at the "modern" USB-only Windows-only programmers the same way
I look at my vintage ISA-interface, DOS-only programmer - "Oh, look..
a tool that will become "obsolete" before I'm done needing to use it,
forcing me to forever run whatever they call a computer today". There
may be USB ports in 20 years, but I doubt that a Windows application I
buy today will run natively in 20 years. Interfaces tend to stick
around longer than application platforms. I have a dedicated device
programmer machine that doesn't get updated now, and I predict I'll
have one long into the future.
OTOH, I have the source for the download app for the EPROM emulator I
use, so as long as I can stuff bits down a pipe at 9600-N-1 from a
machine with a C compiler, I should be able to use that to emulate
JEDEC EPROMs. It runs on VMS, it runs on DOS, it runs on UNIX. I
think I'm set there.
-ethan
5:44 p.m.
I have and use multiple programmers. I don't know
of one device that
handles every device I have burned in the past 10 years.
`
Beeprog from elnec does...Only the 2708 chips needs an adapter.
may be USB ports in 20 years, but I doubt that a
Windows application I
buy today will run natively in 20 years. Interfaces tend to stick
Thats why I love elnec. Take a look on their site and see how long they
support old programmers with updates.
OTOH, I have the source for the download app for the
EPROM emulator I
use, so as long as I can stuff bits down a pipe at 9600-N-1 from a
machine with a C compiler, I should be able to use that to emulate
JEDEC EPROMs. It runs on VMS, it runs on DOS, it runs on UNIX. I
think I'm set there.
Is this a commercial emulator? Has an hex editor integrated? I'm looking
to make my eprom emulator compatible with something good.
6:32 p.m.
On 26 Jan 2012 at 23:44, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
The Beeprog will do 1702A EPROMs and PAL16R8 PALs?
--Chuck
I have and use
multiple programmers. I don't know of one device
that handles every device I have burned in the past 10 years.
`
Beeprog from elnec does...Only the 2708 chips needs an adapter.
26 Jan
26 Jan
6:34 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Alexandre Souza - Listas
<pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com> wrote:
I have burned 2708s in the past 10 years - plenty more 2716s, but once
in a while, I do need to read or write triple-voltage devices.
Yes, but no longer offered for sale (Grammar Engine ROMulator and
Grammar Engine PromICE)
I have and use
multiple programmers. ?I don't know of one device that
handles every device I have burned in the past 10 years.
`
? Beeprog from elnec does...Only the 2708 chips needs an adapter. OTOH, I have
the source for the download app for the EPROM emulator I
use...
? Is this a commercial emulator? Has an hex editor integrated?
Not AFAIK. You just stuff files down its gullet with its own app -
I've never seen anyone try to use one with a terminal emulator. The
app reads Intel Hex, but I don't think it pushes Intel Hex over the
wire. It might, though - the PromICE does have some debugging
capabilities. I never used them - I just wrapped my code in a
Makefile that included a download command at the end.
I'm looking to make my eprom emulator compatible
with something good.
There's probably no reason to maintain compatibility with it unless
you were to already own one. I don't have rights to the code, so it
wouldn't be right to share it (though I used to work with the guy who
_does_ have rights, so unlike many cases involving 20-year-old
products, I know exactly who to ask about the status).
-ethan
5:37 p.m.
Even when you were using newer ROMs, it wasn't a
good programmer. I know
one arcade collector that smashed his with a hammer out of frustration
after spending hours trying to burn some common chips.
I never had a problem, but one revision of 27C160 memories that the
software couldn't handle
27 Jan
27 Jan
4:33 a.m.
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
--- On Thu, 1/26/12, Richard <legalize at
xmission.com> wrote:
Yup. I ended up doing exactly that for exactly that reason.
Does anyone have any experience with this
device?? It's inexpensive and
seems like it might handle the needs of ROM/PROM/EPROM dumping and
EE/EPROM programming.
It has one thing going for it. It's cheap.
That is all. Having messed with one (albiet, an older version), I could
find no other redeeming qualities. The hardware was flakey. The software
was abysmal. You had to set DIP switches for everything. Programming
older chips requiring a 25v VPP required hacking in your own power
circuit. Even when you were using newer ROMs, it wasn't a
good programmer. I know
one arcade collector that smashed his with a hammer out of frustration
after spending hours trying to burn some common chips.
Unless they've made some serious improvements to the design, I think
you're better off with nearly anything else.
Seconded and thirded.
Personally, I love my Needham's PB-10. It's an
ISA card with amazingly
fantasitc, easy to use software, and it's incredibly reliable. I also
have an EETools TopMax, and while the software isn't as nice, it does
have a larger range of supported devices, and it too is reliable.
For older chips, you cannot beat the PB10 in an old ISA motherboard. But,
the emphasis is on "older" there :-)
Steve
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26 Jan
26 Jan
5:34 p.m.
Does anyone have any experience with this device?
It's inexpensive
and seems like it might handle the needs of ROM/PROM/EPROM dumping and
EE/EPROM programming.
I had one for ages, it works flawlessly. Uses to have some failures with
notebooks (because of the 3.3V parallel port)
27 Jan
27 Jan
midnight
Richard wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with this device?
It's inexpensive
and seems like it might handle the needs of ROM/PROM/EPROM dumping and
EE/EPROM programming.
<http://www.sivava.com/>
Consider the Andromeda Research reader/burner for a wide range of device
handling. It does need a parallel port, it is DOS/Windows based (perhaps
two strikes), but it can read 1702s (with the adapter)! Also handles
many of the programmable CPUs including the 68HC05/08/11, 68705, 8748,
8751...
You can make you own adapters from their well documented site or buy
them as kits (special order) or built.
It is a good reader for the small shop that doesn't need a half dozen
different burners (like my shop) to cover most of the devices made.
http://www.arlabs.com/
I have no stake in the company.
They have always been helpful in dealing with questions.
John :-#)#
4:35 a.m.
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, John Robertson wrote:
Richard wrote:
Ding! I built the bipolar PROM adapter for mine. Fabricating the jumper
plugs was a bit of a PITA, but the unit works great and the company
provides good support.
--
Does anyone have any experience with this device?
It's inexpensive
and seems like it might handle the needs of ROM/PROM/EPROM dumping and
EE/EPROM programming.
<http://www.sivava.com/>
Consider the Andromeda Research reader/burner for a wide range of device
handling. It does need a parallel port, it is DOS/Windows based (perhaps two
strikes), but it can read 1702s (with the adapter)! Also handles many of the
programmable CPUs including the 68HC05/08/11, 68705, 8748, 8751...
You can make you own adapters from their well documented site or buy them as
kits (special order) or built.
It is a good reader for the small shop that doesn't need a half dozen
different burners (like my shop) to cover most of the devices made.
http://www.arlabs.com/
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