7 Sep
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7 Sep
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11:18 p.m.
Does anyone have any idea where I can get install media at various
support pack levels and / or support pack install files for NetWare 5.1
and / or BorderManager 3.5?
I'm playing with some old things in VMs and can't get BorderManager 3.5
(sp0?) to work on 5.1sp7 / 5.1sp8. I need older 5.1spX or newer
BorderManager.
BorderManager patches would be bm35sp2.exe or bm35sp3.exe.
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8 Sep
8 Sep
3:42 p.m.
On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 08:18, Grant Taylor via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Does anyone have any idea where I can get install media at various
support pack levels and / or support pack install files for NetWare 5.1
and / or BorderManager 3.5?
Something like this any help?
https://winworldpc.com/product/netware/5x
I have physical media of this somewhere:
https://archive.org/details/Netware_5_Operating_System_3_User_Demo_Novell
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6:18 p.m.
On 9/8/20 4:42 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
Something like this any help?
https://winworldpc.com/product/netware/5x
I'm very familiar with WinWorld and VetusWare. I quite like them. They
are on the short list to find things like this. There is high overlap
between a number of these places.
That being said, I haven't tested that specific ISO. But that's mostly
because I've long had a version of NetWare 5.1. Now that I'm looking
for specific things, particularly patches, I decided to send a broadcast
message.
I have physical media of this somewhere:
https://archive.org/details/Netware_5_Operating_System_3_User_Demo_Novell
I've been focusing on 5.1 and I've not yet broadened my net to include
5(.0).
I was sort of hoping that someone might have had the support pack files
tucked away somewhere.
I'm currently working on re-organizing my 48 GB of Novell software.
Partially to normalize the names and location, as well as to be able to
tell what I do and do not have.
Thank you for the reply Liam. You re-enforced the fact that I need to
get a better understanding of what /specific/ versions I have and the
things I know about are.
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9:33 p.m.
On 9/8/20 7:18 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I haven't tested that specific ISO.
The particular ISO that you linked to is Novell NetWare 5.1 (Support
Pack 0). So it needs support packs installed on it.
I've learned that there are different Support Packs, "Domestic" and
"International" having to do with the 128-bit vs 56-bit encryption woes
of the '90s.
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9 Sep
4:08 a.m.
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 06:34, Grant Taylor via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 9/8/20 7:18 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
But that's good, isn't it?
I confess I may have misread your original message as being "I need
NW5.1 with no SPs." Was that wrong?
But if you have SP0, no bugfixes, then surely you can just install the
SPs on top of it to get to whatever level you want?
My $DAYJOB was part of Novell until about a year ago. I _may_ be able
to find internal download links still but I am not confident. Want me
to start asking around? I may need some fairly specific info as there
are few Netware folk left now. E.g. how many separate SPs did NW5.1
get? Do you need both US and ROW versions?
I haven't tested that specific ISO.
The particular ISO that you linked to is Novell NetWare 5.1 (Support
Pack 0). So it needs support packs installed on it. I've learned that there are different Support
Packs, "Domestic" and
"International" having to do with the 128-bit vs 56-bit encryption woes
of the '90s.
Oh dear...
TBH I have a suspicion nobody may have kept stuff like that, even
inside Novell... :(
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10:41 a.m.
On 9/9/20 5:08 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
But that's good, isn't it?
Yes and no.
Yes in that it's below the problem point. :-)
No in that I don't have the necessary Support Pack's to install. :-(
I confess I may have misread your original message as
being "I need
NW5.1 with no SPs." Was that wrong?
It might have been an ambiguity on my part.
I've learned a little bit since my last message.
I seem to have NetWare 5.1 (SP 0) for both "Domestic" (128-bit) and
"Exportable" (56-bit). But there is a catch.
The exportable version is part of Novell Small Business Suite 5.1, which
seems to be a superset of NetWare 5.1. I don't yet know if I can bust
it down to be a more standard NetWare 5.1 without all the other unwanted
NSBS stuff.
I did learn that NSBS 5.1 is the "Exportable" (56-bit) version and that
it comes with Exportable NetWare 5.1 Support Pack 1 as an install able
option on another disk.
Said Exportable NetWare 5.1 Support Pack 1 will install on NSBS 5.1.
But given that it's the "Exportable" (56-bit) version, it won't install
on standard "Domestic" (128-bit) NetWare 5.1. That being said, I don't
really care about the 56-bit vs 128-bit. I just want stock NetWare 5.1
without all the NSBS 5.1 ... features. I'll install just the few
features that I want.
Aside: NSBS 5.1 includes ZENworks (Starter?) and some other things that
are above and beyond stock NetWare. I don't want those ... features
yet. I want to learn more about stock NetWare 5.1.
But if you have SP0, no bugfixes, then surely you can
just install
the SPs on top of it to get to whatever level you want?
The only Support Pack that I've been able to find thus far is Exportable
NetWare 5.1 Support Pack 1. I've not yet been able to locate any other
support packs.
Well, I guess I can still get SP7 and SP8 from Novell's Patch Download.
But that's beyond what works with what I'm testing with Border Manager 3.5
It's a weird nitch that I'm trying to fit in. Early Domestic (128-bit)
NetWare with Support Pack > 0 and < 7.
My $DAYJOB was part of Novell until about a year ago.
I _may_ be able
to find internal download links still but I am not confident. Want
me to start asking around? I may need some fairly specific info as
there are few Netware folk left now. E.g. how many separate SPs did
NW5.1 get? Do you need both US and ROW versions?
I would be very interested in contacting someone at Novell ~> Micro
Focus about acquiring copies of what was freely downloadable ~20 years ago.
I did take a swing (and apparently a miss) to contact someone at Micro
Focus a year or so ago. But that never went anywhere. But I'm not
surprised that a generic web contact us form didn't yield anything.
Please ask questions that you need ~> want more information about, be it
here or directly off list (your choice).
Oh dear...
Ya.... I'm not surprised. But it is making things ... tricky ...
entertaining.
TBH I have a suspicion nobody may have kept stuff like
that, even
inside Novell... :(
Ya. That seems to be the way that a LOT of things have gone in the
industry. It's hobbyists like myself that tend to be archiving this
stuff. I'm just 15-25 years too late.
I'm going through my NetWare disks (5.1 ~> 5.x ~> x.x) and getting a
better handle on what version / language(s) / encryption they are.
Thank you for your time Liam. I appreciate your input and help.
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Fyi .. there seems to be a lots of Netware for sale on Ebay for some reason.
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On Sep 9, 2020, at 10:42, Grant Taylor via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
?On 9/9/20 5:08 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
But that's good, isn't it?
Yes and no.
Yes in that it's below the problem point. :-)
No in that I don't have the necessary Support Pack's to install. :-(
I confess I may have misread your original
message as being "I need NW5.1 with no SPs." Was that wrong?
It might have been an ambiguity on my part.
I've learned a little bit since my last message.
I seem to have NetWare 5.1 (SP 0) for both "Domestic" (128-bit) and
"Exportable" (56-bit). But there is a catch.
The exportable version is part of Novell Small Business Suite 5.1, which seems to be a
superset of NetWare 5.1. I don't yet know if I can bust it down to be a more standard
NetWare 5.1 without all the other unwanted NSBS stuff.
I did learn that NSBS 5.1 is the "Exportable" (56-bit) version and that it
comes with Exportable NetWare 5.1 Support Pack 1 as an install able option on another
disk.
Said Exportable NetWare 5.1 Support Pack 1 will install on NSBS 5.1. But given that
it's the "Exportable" (56-bit) version, it won't install on standard
"Domestic" (128-bit) NetWare 5.1. That being said, I don't really care
about the 56-bit vs 128-bit. I just want stock NetWare 5.1 without all the NSBS 5.1 ...
features. I'll install just the few features that I want.
Aside: NSBS 5.1 includes ZENworks (Starter?) and some other things that are above and
beyond stock NetWare. I don't want those ... features yet. I want to learn more
about stock NetWare 5.1.
But if you have SP0, no bugfixes, then surely you
can just install the SPs on top of it to get to whatever level you want?
The only Support Pack that I've been able to find thus far is Exportable NetWare 5.1
Support Pack 1. I've not yet been able to locate any other support packs.
Well, I guess I can still get SP7 and SP8 from Novell's Patch Download. But
that's beyond what works with what I'm testing with Border Manager 3.5
It's a weird nitch that I'm trying to fit in. Early Domestic (128-bit) NetWare
with Support Pack > 0 and < 7.
My $DAYJOB was part of Novell until about a year
ago. I _may_ be able to find internal download links still but I am not confident. Want me
to start asking around? I may need some fairly specific info as there are few Netware folk
left now. E.g. how many separate SPs did NW5.1 get? Do you need both US and ROW versions?
I would be very interested in contacting someone at Novell ~> Micro Focus about
acquiring copies of what was freely downloadable ~20 years ago.
I did take a swing (and apparently a miss) to contact someone at Micro Focus a year or so
ago. But that never went anywhere. But I'm not surprised that a generic web contact
us form didn't yield anything.
Please ask questions that you need ~> want more information about, be it here or
directly off list (your choice).
Oh dear...
Ya.... I'm not surprised. But it is making things ... tricky ... entertaining.
TBH I have a suspicion nobody may have kept stuff
like that, even inside Novell... :(
Ya. That seems to be the way that a LOT of things have gone in the industry. It's
hobbyists like myself that tend to be archiving this stuff. I'm just 15-25 years too
late.
I'm going through my NetWare disks (5.1 ~> 5.x ~> x.x) and getting a better
handle on what version / language(s) / encryption they are.
Thank you for your time Liam. I appreciate your input and help.
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11:30 a.m.
On 9/9/20 12:14 PM, Wayne S wrote:
Fyi .. there seems to be a lots of Netware for sale on
Ebay for some reason.
Yep.
I've acquired a number of things therefrom.
Unfortunately, it's quite difficult to tell the difference between
various things. Especially things like which support pack and / or
language and / or domestic vs exportable. :-(
So it's somewhat of a crap shoot.
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12:38 p.m.
ons 2020-09-09 klockan 13:08 +0200 skrev Liam Proven via cctalk:
Oh dear...
TBH I have a suspicion nobody may have kept stuff like that, even
inside Novell... :(
I will have to check where i read this just recently but
well the industry is such that repeatibility and possibility to
reproduce something which was computed in different areas of science
10 years ago now is very hard to redo.
If the source code to the computations is available (which is a big if)
What to run it on ??
Different compilers ... so expect other results if the computations
isn't the one which have clear cut answers...
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