31 Oct
2009
31 Oct
'09
1 p.m.
Thanks to help from the list admin, I have figured out why I stopped
seeing my own posts to the list!
Seems that gmail, in the their infinite wisdom, decided that it would be
best for me if my own messages were shunted directly to 'archive' and
never appear in the incoming folder. There is no control or option that I
can find to turn this "feature" off. Subsequently, I've had to change my
list subscription to use my ISP's mail service and all is well again.
Talk about obnoxious! I'm starting to wonder if gmail isn't more trouble
than it's worth. On the good side: It's free and their spam filtering is
very effective. On the bad side: They silently drop most binary
attachments, both coming and going, with no consistent policy involved
that I've been able to determine. And now, this.
Steve
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31 Oct
31 Oct
7:45 p.m.
Unfortunately as much as I want to support Google and put a little
competitive squeeze on Microsoft, I continually find that Google's
offerings always seem a little "green" and in need of some
feature-maturing on Googles part... while MS may be the bad-guy in many
person's view, the fact of the matter is - their offerings are generally
well tailored and sensible (Windows Vista totally aside - ass-backwards,
ridiculous OS... ahem...) so their OS may crash, but when it does work,
it works damn well....
Curt
Steven Hirsch wrote:
Thanks to help from the list admin, I have figured out
why I stopped
seeing my own posts to the list!
Seems that gmail, in the their infinite wisdom, decided that it would
be best for me if my own messages were shunted directly to 'archive'
and never appear in the incoming folder. There is no control or
option that I can find to turn this "feature" off. Subsequently, I've
had to change my list subscription to use my ISP's mail service and
all is well again.
Talk about obnoxious! I'm starting to wonder if gmail isn't more
trouble than it's worth. On the good side: It's free and their spam
filtering is very effective. On the bad side: They silently drop
most binary attachments, both coming and going, with no consistent
policy involved that I've been able to determine. And now, this.
Steve
9:08 p.m.
On Oct 31, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
Unfortunately as much as I want to support Google and
put a little
competitive squeeze on Microsoft, I continually find that Google's
offerings always seem a little "green" and in need of some feature-
maturing on Googles part... while MS may be the bad-guy in many
person's view, the fact of the matter is - their offerings are
generally well tailored and sensible (Windows Vista totally aside -
ass-backwards, ridiculous OS... ahem...) so their OS may crash, but
when it does work, it works damn well....
Urrr? Where did Microsoft come into this situation? Have they
built a free email service?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
9:20 p.m.
In article <980FE24A-FCA9-4AEC-84F1-B465E2D8FF40 at neurotica.com>,
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
Urrr? Where did Microsoft come into this
situation? Have they
built a free email service?
They bought one a long time ago. Its called hotmail.
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1 Nov
1 Nov
6:23 a.m.
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Curt @ Atari Museum
<curt at atarimuseum.com> wrote:
Unfortunately as much as I want to support Google and
put a little
competitive squeeze on Microsoft, I continually find that Google's offerings
always seem a little "green" and in need of some feature-maturing on Googles
part... while MS may be the bad-guy in many person's view, the fact of the
matter is - their offerings are generally well tailored and sensible
(Windows Vista totally aside - ass-backwards, ridiculous OS... ahem...) so
their OS may crash, but when it does work, it works damn well....
Curt
Personally, I'd disagree. I think that by & large, the simple, elegant
Micros~1 products are the stuff they bought in - PowerPoint, Visual
Basic, Hotmail, the original MS Mail. The stuff they developed
in-house tends to be baroque & needlessly complex - e.g. Exchange
Server, Access, or ActiveDirectory.
There are some exceptions - I have liked MS Word since the days of
MS-DOS, and that's an in-house app, albeit a /very/ old one, and once
upon a distant time, I rather liked QuickBASIC, too.
For simplicity & minimal elegance, Apple's products are pretty much
unbeatable, and have been since the hardware design of the Apple ][.
But that's a tired old flamewar I have no wish to re-ignite.
As far as the original poster's comment - I use Gmail for ClassicCmp
here & *I* can see my own posts just fine! Perhaps it's because I
filter CCmp to a custom folder...?
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7:08 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Liam Proven" <lproven at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Why I never saw my own posts!
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Curt @ Atari Museum
<curt at atarimuseum.com> wrote:
Personally, I'd disagree. I think that by & large, the simple, elegant
Micros~1 products are the stuff they bought in - PowerPoint, Visual
Basic, Hotmail, the original MS Mail. The stuff they developed
in-house tends to be baroque & needlessly complex - e.g. Exchange
Server, Access, or ActiveDirectory.
Exactly who did they buy Visual Basic from and what was the original name of
it?
10:54 a.m.
from wikipeadia
History
VB 1.0 was introduced in 1991. The drag and drop design for creating the
user interface is derived from a prototype form generator developed by Alan
Cooper <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Cooper> and his company called *
Tripod*. Microsoft contracted with Cooper and his associates to develop
Tripod into a programmable form system for Windows 3.0, under the code name
*Ruby* (no relation to the Ruby programming
language<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_(programming_language)>
).
On 11/1/09, Teo Zenios <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Liam Proven" <lproven at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <
cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Why I never saw my own posts!
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Curt @ Atari Museum
<curt at atarimuseum.com> wrote:
Personally, I'd disagree. I think that by & large, the simple, elegant
Micros~1 products are the stuff they bought in - PowerPoint, Visual
Basic, Hotmail, the original MS Mail. The stuff they developed
in-house tends to be baroque & needlessly complex - e.g. Exchange
Server, Access, or ActiveDirectory.
Exactly who did they buy Visual Basic from and what was the original name
of it?
12:12 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Halarewich" <halarewich at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Why I never saw my own posts!
from wikipeadia
History
VB 1.0 was introduced in 1991. The drag and drop design for creating the
user interface is derived from a prototype form generator developed by
Alan
Cooper <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Cooper> and his company called *
Tripod*. Microsoft contracted with Cooper and his associates to develop
Tripod into a programmable form system for Windows 3.0, under the code
name
*Ruby* (no relation to the Ruby programming
language<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_(programming_language)>
).
So it wasn't a ready made app like Visio that MS purchased, just a form
generator that MS turned into VB using a 3rd party. And like many MS
products it took then a few revisions for it to be good enough to use.
2 Nov
2 Nov
5:24 a.m.
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Teo Zenios <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Halarewich" <halarewich at
gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Why I never saw my own posts!
Indeed. I do apologise; I appear to have remembered incorrectly.
Perhaps I was confusing it with Frontpage, acquired from Vermeer, or
Visio, acquired from the eponymous company.
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from wikipeadia
History
VB 1.0 was introduced in 1991. The drag and drop design for creating the
user interface is derived from a prototype form generator developed by
Alan
Cooper <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Cooper> and his company called *
Tripod*. Microsoft contracted with Cooper and his associates to develop
Tripod into a programmable form system for Windows 3.0, under the code
name
*Ruby* (no relation to the Ruby programming
language<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_(programming_language)>
).
So it wasn't a ready made app like Visio that MS purchased, just a form
generator that MS turned into VB using a 3rd party. And like many MS
products it took then a few revisions for it to be good enough to use. 
6:20 a.m.
New subject: spokan craigslist vintage computers
anyone in the Spokane area interested in checking out a Spokane CraigsList item?
Item described as "Misc Vintage computers and items - $800"
listing id is 1447641794
pics show something of a mess... but equipment dates to Kaypro time frame so who knows?
s shumaker
8:07 p.m.
New subject: spokan craigslist vintage computers
Looking at some of the gunge on some of the items in the pictures, I'd be
surprised if any of the hardware was anywhere near functional, looks like it
would be a lot of work.
On 11/2/09 7:20 AM, "shumaker at att.net" <shumaker at att.net> wrote:
1447641794
3 Nov
3 Nov
6:04 a.m.
New subject: spokan craigslist vintage computers
ya probably true... but there always seems to be a jewel or two buried in the middle of
piles like this. way too high for the junk that's visible though...
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Geoffrey Reed <geoffr at zipcon.net>
Looking at some of the gunge on some of the items in the pictures, I'd be
surprised if any of the hardware was anywhere near functional, looks like it
would be a lot of work.
On 11/2/09 7:20 AM, "shumaker at att.net" <shumaker at att.net> wrote:
1447641794
5528
days inactive
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days old
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