10 Jul
2012
10 Jul
'12
2:38 a.m.
I shot an Tek 611 Storage display lately (230820230720), is there
documentaion available somewhere? Has someone a left over D/A converter
Card for an QBUS 11? I've found a pdf for an AA11-K card which should be
connected to such a display but this is a unibus card it seems..
I only have QBUS-gear.
Regards,
Holm
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10 Jul
10 Jul
2:50 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
I shot an Tek 611 Storage display lately (230820230720), is there
documentaion available somewhere? Has someone a left over D/A converter
I have a physical instruction/service manual for a version of it
611 MOD162C storage display unit not scanned yet
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=611+MOD162C+st…
Dave Caroline
10:33 a.m.
In article <20120710063855.GB71546 at beast.freibergnet.de>,
Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> writes:
I shot an Tek 611 Storage display lately
(230820230720), is there
documentaion available somewhere?
Thanks to Bob Rosenbloom sending me a copy physically, I just scanned
this for bitsavers, but Al hasn't moved it there yet. You can get it
here (warning, not a permanent URL)
<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/legalize/for_bitsavers/tektronix/070-0752-02_Rev_G_Type_611_Storage_Display_Unit_Instruction_Manual_Jun_1977.pdf>
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11:18 a.m.
Richard wrote:
In article <20120710063855.GB71546 at beast.freibergnet.de>,
Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> writes:
Great!
I'm downloading it currently..
Thanks,
Holm
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I shot an Tek 611 Storage display lately
(230820230720), is there
documentaion available somewhere?
Thanks to Bob Rosenbloom sending me a copy physically, I just scanned
this for bitsavers, but Al hasn't moved it there yet. You can get it
here (warning, not a permanent URL)
<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/legalize/for_bitsavers/tektronix/070-0752-02_Rev_G_Type_611_Storage_Display_Unit_Instruction_Manual_Jun_1977.pdf>
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11:46 a.m.
On 7/10/12 8:18 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
> Thanks to Bob Rosenbloom sending me a copy
physically, I just scanned
> this for bitsavers, but Al hasn't moved it there yet.
Just took care of it. I have a Terak 8010B and a Tek 8562 running now, and have
been busy working on recovering bits. Expect Tnix 2.1 bits to be uploaded soon.
The drive in the 8562 is a Micropolis 1304 on a Xebec 1401 (SASI) so there is
some chance of getting a replacement some day. Both drives in the units have sticky
head actuators. The usual opening of the HDA and fiddling with the actuator were
required to get one of the two going, and that one had the native programming and
x86 tools packages on it.
I'm looking for a copy of a bootable Terak double density RT11 disk image, and
a parallel keyboard for the 8010C that I have.
All of the RT images I have try booting from the non-existant SD controller.
UCSD Pascal II.0 can apparently deal with either kind. The docs on John Foust's
site also say it should work with the high resolution display in the 8010C. It
did seem to boot with one, but I have to puzzle out the pinouts of the 15 pin
monitor connector on the 8010C. Actually, I need to do that for all of the connectors
since there only seems to be documentation around for the pinouts of the 8010A.
Oddly, the documentation for the variable density conversion kit claims that the
conversion floppy is bootable, but it doesn't appear to be. I haven't tried
manually
putting the DDens bootstrap and monitor onto a floppy disk image yet, still have to
figure out how the DDens floppies are laid out (they use IBM MFM encoding, so they're
incompatible with RX02's).
I tried the 11/73 out of the 8562 and it fails to boot II.0 (11/02 and 23 boards work).
1:03 p.m.
Al Kossow wrote:
On 7/10/12 8:18 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Interresting Al, but what the heck has it todo with my Tek 611?
Regards,
Holm
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>Thanks to Bob Rosenbloom sending me a copy
physically, I just scanned
>this for bitsavers, but Al hasn't moved it there yet.
Just took care of it. I have a Terak 8010B and a Tek 8562 running now, and
have
been busy working on recovering bits. Expect Tnix 2.1 bits to be uploaded
soon.
The drive in the 8562 is a Micropolis 1304 on a Xebec 1401 (SASI) so there
is
some chance of getting a replacement some day. Both drives in the units
have sticky
head actuators. The usual opening of the HDA and fiddling with the actuator
were
required to get one of the two going, and that one had the native
programming and
x86 tools packages on it.
I'm looking for a copy of a bootable Terak double density RT11 disk image,
and
a parallel keyboard for the 8010C that I have.
All of the RT images I have try booting from the non-existant SD controller.
UCSD Pascal II.0 can apparently deal with either kind. The docs on John
Foust's
site also say it should work with the high resolution display in the 8010C.
It
did seem to boot with one, but I have to puzzle out the pinouts of the 15
pin
monitor connector on the 8010C. Actually, I need to do that for all of the
connectors
since there only seems to be documentation around for the pinouts of the
8010A.
Oddly, the documentation for the variable density conversion kit claims
that the
conversion floppy is bootable, but it doesn't appear to be. I haven't tried
manually
putting the DDens bootstrap and monitor onto a floppy disk image yet, still
have to
figure out how the DDens floppies are laid out (they use IBM MFM encoding,
so they're
incompatible with RX02's).
I tried the 11/73 out of the 8562 and it fails to boot II.0 (11/02 and 23
boards work).
3:15 p.m.
Al Kossow wrote:
On 7/10/12 10:03 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Ahh, ok.
Interresting Al, but what the heck has it todo
with my Tek 611?
It was an explaination of why it wasn't uploaded
the 7992 has a more sophisticated passive R/C network on TSEL than the
7991.
that has nothing to do with your Tek 611 either
Thats why I opened another Thread.
Don't worry Al, Thanks to you.
Regards,
Holm
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1:13 p.m.
I had a Genisco (or Gen something) terminal (I think) which was a box of
TTL electronics with one of these on top. I had two displays and one
terminal box at one time, but have sold them.
Genisco was a local Orange County, Ca. company that went belly up in the
80's I think, or at least quit making terminals. Someone may know, but
I think they may have continued in the printer business. They were doing
a system similar to the Tek storage terminals but w/o owning the storage
tube part of the equation (buying Tek units instead).
I think the display I had could print as well with one of the Tek
storage printers, It will be interesting to download and read Richard's
scan.
Please follow up if you recall the correct info, it has been too long
for me to remember the names for sure.
Jim
On 7/10/2012 8:18 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Tek 611 Storage display
4:18 p.m.
On 07/10/2012 10:33 AM, Richard wrote:
In article <20120710063855.GB71546 at
beast.freibergnet.de>,
Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> writes:
I'll grab that too, as I have a 611 that's a basket case. Thanks!
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
I shot an Tek 611 Storage display lately
(230820230720), is there
documentaion available somewhere?
Thanks to Bob Rosenbloom sending me a copy physically, I just scanned
this for bitsavers, but Al hasn't moved it there yet. You can get it
here (warning, not a permanent URL)
<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/legalize/for_bitsavers/tektronix/070-0752-02_Rev_G_Type_611_Storage_Display_Unit_Instruction_Manual_Jun_1977.pdf>
3:42 p.m.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:38:55 +0200
Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
I shot an Tek 611 Storage display lately
(230820230720), is there
documentaion available somewhere? Has someone a left over D/A converter
Card for an QBUS 11?
I have a:
M7651 DRV11-WA Q 18/22-bit DMA general purpose parallel interface
M7651 Refs: EK-DRVWA-UG, MP-01582, ZJ244-RZ, uNOTE N#041
Maybe you can use it to interface some generic DAC to it?
As I still have to send some other stuff your way I could throw
the DRV11 into the pile.
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11 Jul
11 Jul
3:50 a.m.
Jochen Kunz wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:38:55 +0200
Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
No thanks Jochen. But the Idea is good.
I have 2 parallel interface boards (with and w/o DMA) myself so
I could at least try this way.
The TEK 611 hasn't arrived jet, and that project isn't the first in the
quee, so it will take a while.
Still have to copy cour disks...
Regards,
Holm
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I shot an Tek 611 Storage display lately
(230820230720), is there
documentaion available somewhere? Has someone a left over D/A converter
Card for an QBUS 11?
I have a:
M7651 DRV11-WA Q 18/22-bit DMA general purpose parallel interface
M7651 Refs: EK-DRVWA-UG, MP-01582, ZJ244-RZ, uNOTE N#041
Maybe you can use it to interface some generic DAC to it?
As I still have to send some other stuff your way I could throw
the DRV11 into the pile.
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3:10 p.m.
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:50:27 +0200
Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
No thanks Jochen. But the Idea is good.
I have 2 parallel interface boards (with and w/o DMA) myself so
I could at least try this way.
OK. I see. You are well equiped in this depatement.
Still have to copy cour disks...
No need to
hurry. I was waiting for these disks to appear for 10 years.
One month more or less doesn't count.
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23 Jul
23 Jul
2:04 p.m.
Jochen Kunz wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:50:27 +0200
Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
This monday the Tek has finally arrived.
There was no real function, it seemed that only the flood system was
working. Measured something here and there and found an non working OPV
in the HV Circuit (?A709), replaced it but still not working.
Finally decided to desolder the wires from the HV Transformer to heater
No thanks Jochen. But the Idea is good.
I have 2 parallel interface boards (with and w/o DMA) myself so
I could at least try this way.
OK. I see. You are well equiped in this
depatement.
Still have to copy cour disks...
No need
to hurry. I was waiting for these disks to appear for 10 years.
One month more or less doesn't count.
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\ref{http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/} from the wirting gun and measured no connection. O
shit.!
Dismounted the fan on the back and looked inside towards the tubes socket,
...hmm crooked???? Pulled on the wires and the socked was loose.
I've found some bent Pins on the tube strigthened them carefully and took
the socket back in Place, switched on the Power and voila! The tube
pictured the test spiral...
The Tube has some small burns, but really isn't that bad. I think I'll
never see another Tek 6110 Storage Tube, so that thing must work as is.
(or has someone another in stock and wants to sell it into a good home?)
I think tests with the PDP11 and D/A converters have to wait until winter,
thats getting too much warmt in here...
The Tek Unit was repainted in dark grey, I'll leave it as it is.
Kind Regards,
Holm
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4:15 p.m.
On 07/23/2012 02:04 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
This monday the Tek has finally arrived.
There was no real function, it seemed that only the flood system was
working. Measured something here and there and found an non working OPV
in the HV Circuit (?A709),
Wow, I haven't seen one of those in a while!
replaced it but still not working.
Finally decided to desolder the wires from the HV Transformer to heater
from the wirting gun and measured no connection. O shit.!
8-<
Dismounted the fan on the back and looked inside
towards the tubes socket,
...hmm crooked???? Pulled on the wires and the socked was loose.
I've found some bent Pins on the tube strigthened them carefully and took
the socket back in Place, switched on the Power and voila! The tube
pictured the test spiral...
Excellent!!
The Tube has some small burns, but really isn't
that bad. I think I'll
never see another Tek 6110 Storage Tube, so that thing must work as is.
(or has someone another in stock and wants to sell it into a good home?)
I have a "basket case" 611 here. It was raped for parts. Since I
recently got a copy of the documentation (thanks Richard!) I can now dig
into it and see what's missing. I hope to be able to repair it, but if
it's not repairable, I may not have much reason to keep it. (If it uses
the same CRT as my Tek 4012 terminal, which I think it might, then I'd
probably keep it for that reason.)
I think tests with the PDP11 and D/A converters have
to wait until winter,
thats getting too much warmt in here...
You'll have to take a lot of pics of that!
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
5 p.m.
I have a TEK611 I'll probably be willing to part with when I dig it
out in a few months.
Paul, or Bruce, or whatever.....
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 07/23/2012 02:04 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
This monday the Tek has finally arrived.
There was no real function, it seemed that only the flood system was
working. Measured something here and there and found an non working OPV
in the HV Circuit (?709),
Wow, I haven't seen one of those in a while!
replaced it but still not working.
Finally decided to desolder the wires from the HV Transformer to heater
from the wirting gun and measured no connection. O shit.!
8-<
Dismounted the fan on the back and looked inside
towards the tubes socket,
...hmm crooked???? Pulled on the wires and the socked was loose.
I've found some bent Pins on the tube strigthened them carefully and took
the socket back in Place, switched on the Power and voila! The tube
pictured the test spiral...
Excellent!!
The Tube has some small burns, but really
isn't that bad. I think I'll
never see another Tek 6110 Storage Tube, so that thing must work as is.
(or has someone another in stock and wants to sell it into a good home?)
I have a "basket case" 611 here. It was raped for parts. Since I
recently got a copy of the documentation (thanks Richard!) I can now dig
into it and see what's missing. I hope to be able to repair it, but if
it's not repairable, I may not have much reason to keep it. (If it uses
the same CRT as my Tek 4012 terminal, which I think it might, then I'd
probably keep it for that reason.)
I think tests with the PDP11 and D/A converters
have to wait until winter,
thats getting too much warmt in here...
You'll have to take a lot of pics of that!
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
24 Jul
24 Jul
7:44 a.m.
Paul Anderson wrote:
I have a TEK611 I'll probably be willing to part
with when I dig it
out in a few months.
Paul, or Bruce, or whatever.....
...should I kick you for the tube again in some time?
Kind Regards,
Holm
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
> On 07/23/2012 02:04 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
>> This monday the Tek has finally arrived.
>> There was no real function, it seemed that only the flood system was
>> working. Measured something here and there and found an non working OPV
>> in the HV Circuit (???709),
>
> Wow, I haven't seen one of those in a while!
>
>> replaced it but still not working.
>> Finally decided to desolder the wires from the HV Transformer to heater
>> from the wirting gun and measured no connection. O shit.!
>
> 8-<
>
>> Dismounted the fan on the back and looked inside towards the tubes socket,
>> ...hmm crooked???? Pulled on the wires and the socked was loose.
>> I've found some bent Pins on the tube strigthened them carefully and took
>> the socket back in Place, switched on the Power and voila! The tube
>> pictured the test spiral...
>
> Excellent!!
>
>> The Tube has some small burns, but really isn't that bad. I think I'll
>> never see another Tek 6110 Storage Tube, so that thing must work as is.
>> (or has someone another in stock and wants to sell it into a good home?)
>
> I have a "basket case" 611 here. It was raped for parts. Since I
> recently got a copy of the documentation (thanks Richard!) I can now dig
> into it and see what's missing. I hope to be able to repair it, but if
> it's not repairable, I may not have much reason to keep it. (If it uses
> the same CRT as my Tek 4012 terminal, which I think it might, then I'd
> probably keep it for that reason.)
>
>> I think tests with the PDP11 and D/A converters have to wait until winter,
>> thats getting too much warmt in here...
>
> You'll have to take a lot of pics of that!
>
> -Dave
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
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6:42 a.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
Nebraska Surplus does list such a tube:
(TUC) 154-0624-11 CRT Tek, GC1029,4012-599-220
$95 actually, but I think $95 and additional shipping costs overseas to the
really, really bad conditions of your american shipping companies pretty
much prevents me from buying that tube.., they also don't state that the
tube is new, so nobody knows what I would get for my money :-|
Tek used different versions depending on the serial no.
in the service manual. Maybe the same tube is in your 4012..
I think it will fit anyways, good for your 4012, bad for me ...
The SM for the 611 lists the following Versions:
154-0518-00 until SN B129999
154-0624-00 between B130000 and B199999
154-0624-11 between B200000 and B227329
154-0624-12 B227330, B226520 ??
I know an -01 also exists.
Maybe the -12 has a different phosphor, whow knows...
Yea, I know. :-)
Does someone have some Vector Maps to display?
Regards,
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On 07/23/2012 02:04 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Hmm, repaired an Tek 7904 last week, for sure they are in there too.
Since Tek used his own part numbers (156-0015-00), one only searches
what that beast really is if it is broken..
I have many such things in my parts boxes.
This monday the Tek has finally arrived.
There was no real function, it seemed that only the flood system was
working. Measured something here and there and found an non working OPV
in the HV Circuit (?A709),
Wow, I haven't seen one of those in a while! replaced it but still not working.
Finally decided to desolder the wires from the HV Transformer to heater
from the wirting gun and measured no connection. O shit.!
8-<
Dismounted the fan on the back and looked inside
towards the tubes socket,
...hmm crooked???? Pulled on the wires and the socked was loose.
I've found some bent Pins on the tube strigthened them carefully and took
the socket back in Place, switched on the Power and voila! The tube
pictured the test spiral...
Excellent!!
The Tube has some small burns, but really
isn't that bad. I think I'll
never see another Tek 6110 Storage Tube, so that thing must work as is.
(or has someone another in stock and wants to sell it into a good home?)
I have a "basket case" 611 here. It was raped for parts. Since I
recently got a copy of the documentation (thanks Richard!) I can now dig
into it and see what's missing. I hope to be able to repair it, but if
it's not repairable, I may not have much reason to keep it. (If it uses
the same CRT as my Tek 4012 terminal, which I think it might, then I'd
probably keep it for that reason.) I think tests with the PDP11 and D/A converters
have to wait until winter,
thats getting too much warmt in here...
You'll have to take a lot of pics of that!
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
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