Chad etched into stone for all eternity: They do tend to be high, new Americans seeking their fortunes... but a few people carry surplus stuff, and it tends to be priced better if it isn't so decript as to be not worth buying (but perhaps worth picking up off the trash pile). I picked up VB 5 Pro a few years back for $50, and VC++ 5 for the same. But one vendor screwed me out of a academic VB package that came with NT; he had it priced for $50, I made the mistake of asking if it was for real, and immediately it became not so. -dq