9 Aug
2008
9 Aug
'08
8:54 p.m.
Greetings.
I am interested in purchasing a HERO1 (fro heathkit).
The original asking price from 1979 - 1982 was about $1,500.00
I think $150.00 would be a fair trade. What do you think?
Referenced here: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2007-December/089541.html
Thank you.
Atomkey.
9:04 a.m.
New subject: WTB: Nec Intersect "detachable" CD-ROM
Dear friends,
A long long time ago, there was a CD-ROM model from the "nec intersect"
series, which was deatachable and useable like a discman. CDU-53 or 63,
maybe? I'm looking for one of these. It can be only the CD unit (without the
cradle).
Thanks
Alexandre
2:57 p.m.
New subject: WTB: Nec Intersect "detachable" CD-ROM
At 1:04 PM -0300 8/10/08, Alexandre Souza wrote:
A long long time ago, there was a CD-ROM model from
the "nec
intersect" series, which was deatachable and useable like a discman.
CDU-53 or 63, maybe? I'm looking for one of these. It can be only
the CD unit (without the cradle).
This would have been around 1992/93. I'm curious, why do you want
one? I remember it being a real pain. I suspect I still have mine,
it's not for sale though, but only because of the work that would be
required to find it.
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3:07 p.m.
New subject: WTB: Nec Intersect "detachable" CD-ROM
This would have been around 1992/93. I'm curious,
why do you want one? I
remember it being a real pain. I suspect I still have mine, it's not for
sale though, but only because of the work that would be required to find
it.
I have a videogame called "turbo grafx" (american version of the PC
Engine from NEC). In the CD-ROM module, there is a CD that is EQUAL the Nec
Intersect "detachable". I wanted one to test on mine, even because my CD
unit is dead :( If I could find a complete (and working) nec intersect, I'd
not only test it on the videogame (I'm **SURE** this is the same CD unit,
since I had one and had to fix it back in 93) but also would find a way to
connect a normal SCSI CD-ROM to the TurboGrafx / PC Engine and make people
happier :o)
Thanks
Alexandre :)
11:27 a.m.
The only HERO1 you could get for $150 would have to have severe brain
damage, no batteries and a host of other problems. You cannot even get a
HERO Jr for that low unless it is a basket case. If you want a working unit
you probably are looking more at about $600 and up. You can fixer-uppers for
somewhat less but beware that you could get something that is fried. The
seller " robotworkshop " on Ebay sells lots of parts and is an honest guy
and very helpful ( not a paid advertisement ). Over time you can get enough
parts to build your own and save $$$$$. I have three HERO Jrs and two HERO1s
that were brought to life this way. It is much more rewarding to spend time
tinkering so you can finally declare " It's ALIVE " .......
Best regards, Steven
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From: "Eric Smith" <eric at brouhaha.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: HERO1 For sale...
AtomKey wrote:
I am interested in purchasing a HERO1 (fro
heathkit).
The original asking price from 1979 - 1982 was about $1,500.00
I think $150.00 would be a fair trade. What do you think?
I think you're rather optimisitic. 
3:16 p.m.
AtomKey wrote:
I am interested in purchasing a HERO1 (fro heathkit).
The original asking price from 1979 - 1982 was about $1,500.00
I think $150.00 would be a fair trade. What do you think?
OK, I'll consider giving you $150 for it if it is complete, has all of the
manuals, and hasn't had any sloppy amateur quality soldering.
3:39 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin at xenosoft.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: HERO1 For sale...
AtomKey wrote:
I think you have it backawards....AtomKey is LOOKING for a Hero 1 for $150.
Then again, my sarcasm-detector was buzzing ever so slightly ;)
Of course, from what I've seen the past few years on eBay, I think he's
missing a zero on the end of his price.
It seems they are as valuable today, as they were back then, if not more!
You VERY RARELY see one go for
under $500, and that is usually incomplete, non-working units that need
parts and repair to function.
T
I am interested in purchasing a HERO1 (fro
heathkit).
The original asking price from 1979 - 1982 was about $1,500.00
I think $150.00 would be a fair trade. What do you think?
OK, I'll consider giving you $150 for it if it is complete, has all of the
manuals, and hasn't had any sloppy amateur quality soldering.
3:50 p.m.
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 06:39:07PM -0400, Tony Mori wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin at xenosoft.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: HERO1 For sale...
Most likely.
AtomKey wrote:
I think you have it backawards....AtomKey is LOOKING for a Hero 1 for $150.
Then again, my sarcasm-detector was buzzing ever so slightly ;) I am interested in purchasing a HERO1 (fro
heathkit).
The original asking price from 1979 - 1982 was about $1,500.00
I think $150.00 would be a fair trade. What do you think?
OK, I'll consider giving you $150 for it if it is complete, has all of the
manuals, and hasn't had any sloppy amateur quality soldering.
Of course, from what I've seen the past few years
on eBay, I think he's
missing a zero on the end of his price.
For one in good shape, sure.
It seems they are as valuable today, as they were back
then, if not more!
You VERY RARELY see one go for
under $500, and that is usually incomplete, non-working units that need
parts and repair to function.
I would be happy to pay three times what the OP is asking for one that I
didn't have to rebuild (but a more likely scenario is paying three times
for one that I _would_ have to strip and rebuild).
The HERO1 is nice, but I'm happy to have an RB5X myself. If I could only
figure out why the speech board is so wonky, I'd be happier, though. For
some odd reason, it really, really cares what vendor/model/type of 8255
drives it. The best results I've gotten so far is with an OKI 82C55. I'm
told that a real 8255 (not 8255A) is the "best", but I don't have any on
hand (despite having about a dozen unique varieties) and the next plane
is still over 2 months away.
Is there anything that specifically distinguishes the HERO1 from other
"personal robots" of the 1980s era other than the Heathkit name? I've
never seen one up close, so I don't know what makes it special.
-ethan
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4:53 p.m.
In article <20080810225025.GA1587 at usap.gov>,
Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at usap.gov> writes:
The HERO1 is nice, but I'm happy to have an RB5X
myself. [...]
I hadn't heard of this before, but the first google hit turned up a
nice web site for old robots: <http://www.theoldrobots.com/>
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On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 05:53:39PM -0600, Richard wrote:
In article <20080810225025.GA1587 at usap.gov>,
Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at usap.gov> writes:
Yep... that's it - bottom left corner, second from the left.
It's the one I post about from time to time because of the INS8073 CPU.
-ethan
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The HERO1 is nice, but I'm happy to have an
RB5X myself. [...]
I hadn't heard of this before, but the first google hit turned up a
nice web site for old robots: <http://www.theoldrobots.com/>
11 Aug
11 Aug
12:34 a.m.
Ethan ( et al );
Is the INS8073 the one that has a Tiny BASIC built-in or runs out of a ROM ?
Is it a Tom Pittman type Tiny BASIC ? Thanks.
Best regards, Steven
P.S. I've used the Rockwell chip that has FORTH built-in ....
Ethan
Dicks <ethan.dicks at usap.gov> writes:
Yep... that's it - bottom left corner, second from the left.
It's the one I post about from time to time because of the INS8073 CPU.
-ethan The HERO1 is nice, but I'm happy to have an
RB5X myself. [...]
I hadn't heard of this before, but the first google hit turned up a
nice web site for old robots: <http://www.theoldrobots.com/>
2 a.m.
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:34:20AM -0700, Scanning wrote:
Ethan ( et al );
Is the INS8073 the one that has a Tiny BASIC built-in or runs out of a ROM ?
It has an onboard ROM that takes up a known part of the 64K memory
map. The reference design is the CPU, a clock, level shifters
for serial in/out, an 8-bit SRAM (at least 1K), and some resistors
to set the baud rate. No external ROM required (but you can stick
a ROM on it with TinyBASIC code in it and it will autoexecute).
Is it a Tom Pittman type Tiny BASIC ? Thanks.
Yes. If you are used to working with Tom Pittman's TinyBASIC, the INS8073
will be a familiar environment (I can't guarantee they are identical, but
they are certainly peas-in-a-pod).
There were a few articles back in the day in Byte and Dr Dobbs, etc.,
about the chip and its BASIC. I think they are easy to google for.
Best regards, Steven
P.S. I've used the Rockwell chip that has FORTH built-in ....
I've heard of that, but haven't used it. Same goes with the RCA 1805
w/FORTH onboard. I know lots about the 1802, but not the ones with
FORTH.
-ethan
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6:47 a.m.
Here's a guy who specializes in collecting Heros:
http://www.robotswanted.com/
He also trades in vintage robotics and has quite a collection.
I've been trolling for a Hero 1 for quite a while, and I've never seen one
on eBay for less than $500, in any condition.
11:41 a.m.
New subject: INS8073 (was Re: HERO1 For sale...)
Scanning wrote:
Is the INS8073 the one that has a Tiny BASIC built-in
or runs out of a ROM ?
Yes.
Is it a Tom Pittman type Tiny BASIC ? Thanks.
How does one tell?
It's in 2.5KB of ROM, so it's definitely a tinier BASIC than in the
competing Intel 8051AH-BASIC and Zilog Z8671, both of which had 4KB of ROM.
National called it "NIBL BASIC", although it is unclear how closely
related the 8073 version is to their NIBL BASIC for the SC/MP, SC/MP II,
or 8080.
12:41 p.m.
New subject: INS8073 (was Re: HERO1 For sale...)
Eric Smith wrote:
It's in 2.5KB of ROM, so it's definitely a
tinier BASIC than in the
competing Intel 8051AH-BASIC and Zilog Z8671, both of which had 4KB of ROM.
Was there in fact an 8051AH-BASIC? I've worked extensively with
8052AH-BASIC, and have never heard of an 8051 version. The 8052 has 8KB
of ROM, compared to the 8051's 4KB. The BASIC interpreter filled...and
I mean FILLED...that 8KB. It's extraordinarily dense code.
The Z8671's BASIC, on the other hand, fits in the first 2KB of ROM on
that chip.
-Dave
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2:13 p.m.
New subject: INS8073 (was Re: HERO1 For sale...)
Just a related bookmark I had:
http://www.techlib.com/Karen/micro.htm#PICL
NIBL BASIC implemented via a PIC-based interpreter in 3 chips with
8KB of SRAM.
Cheers,
Chuck
3:09 p.m.
New subject: MCS-51 Tiny BASIC ( was Re: INS8073 )
I've found numerous references to a MCS-51 Tiny BASIC for the 8051.
Apparently it is 3 Kbytes so I would definitely put it in the Tom Pittman
category for Tiny BASICs.
Best regards, Steven
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: INS8073 (was Re: HERO1 For sale...)
Eric Smith wrote:
> It's in 2.5KB of ROM, so it's definitely a tinier BASIC than in the
> competing Intel 8051AH-BASIC and Zilog Z8671, both of which had 4KB of
ROM.
Was there in fact an 8051AH-BASIC? I've worked extensively with
8052AH-BASIC, and have never heard of an 8051 version. The 8052 has 8KB
of ROM, compared to the 8051's 4KB. The BASIC interpreter filled...and
I mean FILLED...that 8KB. It's extraordinarily dense code.
The Z8671's BASIC, on the other hand, fits in the first 2KB of ROM on
that chip.
-Dave
19 Aug
19 Aug
12:46 a.m.
New subject: MCS-51 Tiny BASIC ( was Re: INS8073 )
But definitely not any relation to the interpreter found in the
8052AH-BASIC chip, though, right? Do you have any URLs handy?
-Dave
On Aug 11, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Scanning wrote:
I've found numerous references to a MCS-51 Tiny
BASIC for the 8051.
Apparently it is 3 Kbytes so I would definitely put it in the Tom
Pittman
category for Tiny BASICs.
Best regards, Steven
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: INS8073 (was Re: HERO1 For sale...)
--
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Port Charlotte, FL
Eric Smith wrote:
> It's in 2.5KB of ROM, so it's definitely a tinier BASIC than in the
> competing Intel 8051AH-BASIC and Zilog Z8671, both of which had
> 4KB of
ROM.
Was there in fact an 8051AH-BASIC? I've worked extensively with
8052AH-BASIC, and have never heard of an 8051 version. The 8052
has 8KB
of ROM, compared to the 8051's 4KB. The BASIC interpreter
filled...and
I mean FILLED...that 8KB. It's extraordinarily dense code.
The Z8671's BASIC, on the other hand, fits in the first 2KB of
ROM on
that chip.
-Dave
11:12 p.m.
New subject: MCS-51 Tiny BASIC ( was Re: INS8073 )
The 8051 Tiny BASIC could squeeze into 3K of memory;
http://www.chac.org/bas-51.html
Whereas the 8052 BASIC fit into 8K of memory;
http://www.geocities.com/dsa_projects/electronics/8031-ah/8952-bas.html
so I don't see that they are related. I've also never heard the 8052 version
referred to as a Tiny BASIC ( or Palo Alto BASIC ).
Best regards, Steven
But definitely not any relation to the interpreter found in the
8052AH-BASIC chip, though, right? Do you have any URLs handy?
-Dave
On Aug 11, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Scanning wrote:
> I've found numerous references to a MCS-51 Tiny BASIC for the 8051.
> Apparently it is 3 Kbytes so I would definitely put it in the Tom
> Pittman
> category for Tiny BASICs.
>
> Best regards, Steven
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at
classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: INS8073 (was Re: HERO1 For sale...)
>
>
>> Eric Smith wrote:
>>> It's in 2.5KB of ROM, so it's definitely a tinier BASIC than in the
>>> competing Intel 8051AH-BASIC and Zilog Z8671, both of which had
>>> 4KB of
> ROM.
>>
>> Was there in fact an 8051AH-BASIC? I've worked extensively with
>> 8052AH-BASIC, and have never heard of an 8051 version. The 8052
>> has 8KB
>> of ROM, compared to the 8051's 4KB. The BASIC interpreter
>> filled...and
>> I mean FILLED...that 8KB. It's extraordinarily dense code.
>>
>> The Z8671's BASIC, on the other hand, fits in the first 2KB of
>> ROM on
>> that chip.
>>
>> -Dave
20 Aug
20 Aug
7:53 a.m.
New subject: MCS-51 Tiny BASIC ( was Re: INS8073 )
diffs on the various basics:
Scanning wrote:
The 8051 Tiny BASIC could squeeze into 3K of memory;
http://www.chac.org/bas-51.html
Whereas the 8052 BASIC fit into 8K of memory;
http://www.geocities.com/dsa_projects/electronics/8031-ah/8952-bas.html
this is full 8k BASIC with strings, floats, arrays and all.
so I don't see that they are related. I've
also never heard the 8052 version
referred to as a Tiny BASIC ( or Palo Alto BASIC ).
TB abd TBX references are for 8080/8085/z80 compatable integer BASICs.
The 8051
version can be a "tiny" basic meaning integers, simple array, maybe
simple strings.
Nibl is an example of a non 8080 flavor integer basic.
From looking around there are several BASICs around for the 8051/8031
family
and the 8052AH is a specific programmed chip with a nicer 8k basic.
Allison
Best regards, Steven
But definitely not any relation to the
interpreter found in the
8052AH-BASIC chip, though, right? Do you have any URLs handy?
-Dave
On Aug 11, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Scanning wrote:
> I've found numerous references to a MCS-51 Tiny BASIC for the 8051.
> Apparently it is 3 Kbytes so I would definitely put it in the Tom
> Pittman
> category for Tiny BASICs.
>
> Best regards, Steven
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at
classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: INS8073 (was Re: HERO1 For sale...)
>
>
>
>> Eric Smith wrote:
>>
>>> It's in 2.5KB of ROM, so it's definitely a tinier BASIC than in the
>>> competing Intel 8051AH-BASIC and Zilog Z8671, both of which had
>>> 4KB of
>>>
> ROM.
>
>> Was there in fact an 8051AH-BASIC? I've worked extensively with
>> 8052AH-BASIC, and have never heard of an 8051 version. The 8052
>> has 8KB
>> of ROM, compared to the 8051's 4KB. The BASIC interpreter
>> filled...and
>> I mean FILLED...that 8KB. It's extraordinarily dense code.
>>
>> The Z8671's BASIC, on the other hand, fits in the first 2KB of
>> ROM on
>> that chip.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
11 Aug
11 Aug
1:59 p.m.
New subject: INS8073 (was Re: HERO1 For sale...)
Eric Smith wrote:
"NIBL BASIC" as National called it is in the realm of Pitman TB. It has
a few variations added like start from rom.
I've never seen "NIBL BASIC" ported to 8080, that would be interesting.
the 8073
is a SC/MP derived cpu family member so nibble on that is developed code.
Allison
Scanning wrote:
The 8073 is specifically the 8072 with "NIBL BASIC" in the mask rom.
The 8072 was a custom part where the customer would develope code and
have National massproduce the part for a specific application.
Is the INS8073 the one that has a Tiny BASIC
built-in or runs out of
a ROM ?
Yes.
Is it a Tom
Pittman type Tiny BASIC ? Thanks.
How does one tell?
It's in 2.5KB of ROM, so it's definitely a tinier BASIC than in the
competing Intel 8051AH-BASIC and Zilog Z8671, both of which had 4KB of
ROM.
National called it "NIBL BASIC", although it is unclear how closely
related the 8073 version is to their NIBL BASIC for the SC/MP, SC/MP
II, or 8080.
10:28 p.m.
New subject: INS8073 (was Re: HERO1 For sale...)
From: eric at brouhaha.com
Scanning wrote:
Hi
Why does everyone always assume that Tiny BASIC was Tom Pittman's.
Palo Alto TB was the primary one used on Intel processors. This
was not even similar in coding style. The instructions were the same
because they were both basic BASIC.
As I recall, Tom did the 6800 and then the 6502.
I think the fellows name for Palo Alto TB was Chang.
Dwight
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Is the INS8073 the one that has a Tiny BASIC
built-in or runs out of a ROM ?
Yes.
Is it a Tom Pittman type Tiny BASIC ? Thanks.
How does one tell?
It's in 2.5KB of ROM, so it's definitely a tinier BASIC than in the
competing Intel 8051AH-BASIC and Zilog Z8671, both of which had 4KB of ROM.
National called it "NIBL BASIC", although it is unclear how closely
related the 8073 version is to their NIBL BASIC for the SC/MP, SC/MP II,
or 8080.
12 Aug
12 Aug
6:30 a.m.
New subject: INS8073 (was Re: HERO1 For sale...)
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:28:56 -0700, dwight elvey wrote:
Why does everyone always assume that Tiny BASIC was
Tom Pittman's.
Palo Alto TB was the primary one used on Intel processors. This
was not even similar in coding style. The instructions were the same
because they were both basic BASIC.
As I recall, Tom did the 6800 and then the 6502.
I know for a fact he was working on a RCA cosmac 1802 version when I met him years ago.
I was out on the left coast on business and stopped by his house to purchase a copy for my
AMI EVK300
prototype board. I expect I stil have it in storage somewhere. I will never forget the
4004 system he had out
on the porch connected to a teletype punching distribution tapes. I had never seen an
8" floppy
interfaced to a 4004, before or since that night. It was memorable.
Bob Bradlee
10 Aug
10 Aug
11:48 a.m.
I am interested in purchasing a HERO1 (fro heathkit).
The original asking price from 1979 - 1982 was about $1,500.00
I think $150.00 would be a fair trade. What do you think?
Referenced here: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2007-December/089541.html
Thank you.
Atomkey.
Hi Atomkey,
The last Hero 1 I sold was a similar school machine, missing one or
two outer covera but did have its battery charger, but dead batteries.
Even though it was in kind of rough condition it brought $450 on Ebay.
Paxton
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