12 Jun
2007
12 Jun
'07
5:36 a.m.
Well if you if you will pardon the expression,
"Its heading in the right direction"
I agree, the charges build up is a bit of an unknown.
'has 1 cubic meter of volume and the first 1000
kilos'
That seems to be a lot of weight in a small space.
Port to port is less of a problem for me as the UK is that much smaller
than the US.
I can get to most of the UK ports in an hour or two.
Thers a good chance that there's a service from US east coast ports to
UK west/south ports.
So...
Boston to Liverpool or Southampton
New York to Liverpool or Southampton.
Etc.
Rod
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Sent: 11 June 2007 19:05
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Subject: Re: My sale or swap list (Update)
Rod Smallwood wrote:
Hi
I am curently investigating shipping costs between the UK and US.
As collectors we don't need next day delivery but we do need full
cover insurance.
Don't go away. The cost is not that bad.
Rod
I'm looking at LCL oceanic shipping, its Less than Container Load,
basically a rectangular box that fits about 20 to a container, has 1
cubic meter of volume and the first 1000 kilos is part of the base
shipping cost of about $150.
As usual lots of quicksand around the treasure, port fees, brokerage,
customs, and its a port to port service, not terminal to terminal or
door to door without adding a local ground shipper to the mix. Also its
targeted to business, not private goods, so some places don't seem to
want to even talk to a one time shipper. Complete and accurate paperwork
seems essential.
It does tend to be SLOW, as in couple weeks transit, with a month or
more of sitting on a dock at either end.
12 Jun
12 Jun
8:33 a.m.
On 6/12/07, Rod Smallwood <RodSmallwood at mail.ediconsulting.co.uk> wrote:
Last time I checked, water was 1000 kilos per cubic meter, so the base
charge seems to be centered around the density of water.
'has 1
cubic meter of volume and the first 1000 kilos'
That seems to be a lot of
weight in a small space. Port to port is less of a problem for me as the UK is
that much smaller
than the US.
I can get to most of the UK ports in an hour or two.
Indeed. Being in the mid-west, we don't think about ports much. I
can drive to NYC in under 14 hours. Boston is farther. I think the
closest Atlantic port, drive time, would be Baltimore at around, IIRC,
9 hours. Lake Erie ports are close (2ish hours), but would almost
certainly require a shifting of the load to another vessel at an
Atlantic port somewhere.
-ethan
11:35 a.m.
In article <86505602FE0FBB4CB9DE54636AA48D39022FDD at EDISERVER.EDICONS.local>,
"Rod Smallwood" <RodSmallwood at mail.ediconsulting.co.uk> writes:
I can get to most of the UK ports in an hour or two.
It would take me at least 13 hours of solid driving to get to a port :-)
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11:55 a.m.
Richard wrote:
In article <86505602FE0FBB4CB9DE54636AA48D39022FDD
at EDISERVER.EDICONS.local>,
"Rod Smallwood" <RodSmallwood at mail.ediconsulting.co.uk> writes:
What's the closest (in time, not distance) port for you? Vallejo?
Richmond? If so, a good portion of your drive time would be traffic, I
would think.
Peace... Sridhar
I can get to most of the UK ports in an hour or
two.
It would take me at least 13 hours of solid driving to get to a port :-)
12:44 p.m.
In article <466EC1DD.10001 at gmail.com>,
Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> writes:
San Francisco Bay Area
Richard wrote:
> In article <86505602FE0FBB4CB9DE54636AA48D39022FDD at EDISERVER.EDICONS.local>
,
"Rod
Smallwood" <RodSmallwood at mail.ediconsulting.co.uk> writes:
What's the closest (in time, not distance) port for you? Vallejo?
Richmond? I can get to most of the UK ports in an hour or
two.
It would take me at least 13 hours of solid driving to get to a port :-) If so, a good portion of your drive time would be
traffic, I
would think.
Traffic only starts to show up around Sacramento. I'm 750+ miles from
the coast.
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12:25 p.m.
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:35 -0600, Richard wrote:
In article <86505602FE0FBB4CB9DE54636AA48D39022FDD
at EDISERVER.EDICONS.local>,
"Rod Smallwood" <RodSmallwood at mail.ediconsulting.co.uk> writes:
It would take me a good throw to hit a port with a brick from my house,
but I've got a choice...
Gordon (who overlooks a BAe Systems shipyard)
I can get to most of the UK ports in an hour or
two.
It would take me at least 13 hours of solid driving to get to a port :-) 
11:52 p.m.
Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:35 -0600, Richard wrote:
At high tide the Pacific Ocean is about 40ft from where I'm typing this.
(..sorry..)
"Rod Smallwood" <RodSmallwood at
mail.ediconsulting.co.uk> writes:
It would take me a good throw to hit a port with a brick from my house,
but I've got a choice...
Gordon (who overlooks a BAe Systems shipyard) I can get to most of the UK ports in an hour or
two.
It would take me at least 13 hours of solid driving to get to a port :-)
13 Jun
13 Jun
3:03 a.m.
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 20:52 -0700, Brent Hilpert wrote:
Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
The Pacific sounds like a much nicer thing to look out onto, although
the Clyde has its moment. You see some very interesting Naval ships
sitting about here in the yards.
My neighbours are a bit odd though. Most of the other flats on my floor
seem to be full of Israeli photography students. They're very shy
though; they never seem to come out much, they just sit at home playing
with their cameras all day. Funny people.
Gordon
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:35 -0600, Richard wrote:
At high tide the Pacific Ocean is about 40ft from where I'm typing this. "Rod Smallwood" <RodSmallwood at
mail.ediconsulting.co.uk> writes:
It would take me a good throw to hit a port with a brick from my house,
but I've got a choice...
Gordon (who overlooks a BAe Systems shipyard) I can get to most of the UK ports in an hour or
two.
It would take me at least 13 hours of solid driving to get to a port :-) 
6:02 p.m.
On 13/06/07, Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
We're about miles inland, but the nerest port is a mile away..
(courtasy of the Manchester Ship Canal..)
As a rough idea on the sort of charges for shipping, this is a quote I
was given as a non-business customer China->UK about 2 years ago.
Obviously prices will have changed but might give an idea of what
sorts of things are charged:
LCL ex FOB Shenzhen quay to delivered Salford - non hazardous cargo
Seafreight $45.00w/m or minimum 1000kgs or 1cbm whichever is the greatest
UK THC GBP46.90w/2 or minimum
Documentation GBP25.00
Port security GBP3.00
UK customs GBP35.00 up to 3 tariff headings
UK haulage Up to 1000kgs GBP84.00
per 1000kgs or part there of @ a conversion of 2.25m3 = 1000kgs
1001-2000kgs GBP78.00
2001-3000kgs GBP70.00
3001-4000kgs GBP65.00
4001-5000KGS GBP60.00
Weekly service - transit time 21 days quay to quay
Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
Gordon (who overlooks a BAe Systems shipyard)
At high tide the Pacific Ocean is about 40ft from where I'm typing this. 
6:22 p.m.
Rob wrote:
As a rough idea on the sort of charges for shipping,
this is a quote I
was given as a non-business customer China->UK about 2 years ago.
Obviously prices will have changed but might give an idea of what
sorts of things are charged:
LCL ex FOB Shenzhen quay to delivered Salford - non hazardous cargo
Are you sure non-hazardous ??? Ask anybody who has tried to move one. :)
If GBP is short for the British Pound I see shipping is cheap compared
to the paperwork. Now if we can get a Chinese company to make PDP-11's
we have got it made.
Seafreight $45.00w/m or minimum 1000kgs or 1cbm whichever is the
greatest
UK THC GBP46.90w/2 or minimum
Documentation GBP25.00
Port security GBP3.00
UK customs GBP35.00 up to 3 tariff headings
UK haulage Up to 1000kgs GBP84.00
per 1000kgs or part there of @ a conversion of 2.25m3 = 1000kgs
1001-2000kgs GBP78.00
2001-3000kgs GBP70.00
3001-4000kgs GBP65.00
4001-5000KGS GBP60.00
Weekly service - transit time 21 days quay to quay
14 Jun
14 Jun
5:34 a.m.
On 13/06/07, woodelf <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
LOL..
Rob wrote:
LCL ex FOB
Shenzhen quay to delivered Salford - non hazardous cargo
Are you sure non-hazardous ??? Ask anybody who has tried to move one. :) If GBP is short for the British Pound I see shipping
is cheap compared
to the paperwork. Now if we can get a Chinese company to make PDP-11's
we have got it made.
In my admittedly limited experience, they seem quite willing to make
anything you want, provided you are prepared to order in sufficient
quantities.. So just go create a market for 100,000 pdp-11 clones,
and you're away ;-)
12 Jun
12 Jun
12:39 p.m.
'has 1
cubic meter of volume and the first 1000 kilos'
That seems to be a lot of
weight in a small space. 
12:47 p.m.
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To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: My sale or swap list (Update)
1000kg/m^3 is approximately the density of water: one
gram per
millilitre.
Precisely, even, if memory serves. I believe that the kilogram is defined
as the weight of one litre of water at a certain pressure and temperature.
Jim
1:01 p.m.
1000kg/m^3 is
approximately the density of water: one gram per
millilitre.
Precisely, even, if memory serves. I believe that the kilogram is
defined as the weight of one litre of water at a certain pressure and
temperature.
4:53 p.m.
der Mouse wrote:
Well, it'd be the *mass* of, not the *weight* of. But that aside, I
thought the kilogram was still defined as the mass of a certain piece
of metal kept at the BIPM in S?vres? Wikipedia certainly thinks so
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram)....
I believe that definition (piece of metal) is more recent, while the original
definition from the 1700-or-1800s was
1 litre = volume of 1 cubic decimetre
1 kilogram = mass of 1 litre of water at STP
1000kg/m^3 is approximately the density of water: one gram per
millilitre.
Precisely, even, if memory serves. I believe that the kilogram is
defined as the weight of one litre of water at a certain pressure and
temperature. 
1:05 p.m.
Rumor has it that der Mouse may have mentioned these words:
1000kg/m^3 is approximately the density of water: one gram per
millilitre.
Considering the fact that the vessel the cargo will be travelling on will
be displacing water to function, it seems logical to me that their billing
structure would be based on that particular density to ensure the business
stays afloat. [[ Pun intended. ;-) ]]
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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'has 1 cubic meter of volume and the first 1000
kilos'
That seems to be a lot of weight in a small space. 
11:43 p.m.
Hi,
I can get to most of the UK ports in an hour or two.
I take it you're an owner of the new Ford "Enterprise", with disc brakes and
a double overhead impulse manifold.... :-)
I'm in Birmingham, the nearest port would be at least three hours away at
sublight speeds.
TTFN - Pete.
13 Jun
13 Jun
3:29 a.m.
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 04:43 +0100, Ensor wrote:
Hi,
Got to admit, I'd love to know how you can be within an hour of both
Rosyth *and* Southampton...
Whatever you've got, it's quicker than my XM. I want one of them ;-)
Gordon
I can get to most of the UK ports in an hour or
two.
I take it you're an owner of the new Ford "Enterprise", with disc brakes
and
a double overhead impulse manifold.... :-)
I'm in Birmingham, the nearest port would be at least three hours away at
sublight speeds.
8:49 a.m.
Ensor wrote:
Hi,
Isn't Bristol only about 85 miles down the road?
Peace... Sridhar
I can get to most of the UK ports in an hour or
two.
I take it you're an owner of the new Ford "Enterprise", with disc brakes
and a double overhead impulse manifold.... :-)
I'm in Birmingham, the nearest port would be at least three hours away
at sublight speeds. 
12:31 p.m.
G'Day,
On 13/06/07, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Yes - approx 90 minutes from the outskirts when the traffic is good...
I suspect getting out of Birmingham is the problem.
I am not sure how much freight now travels to/from the Bristol ports.
I don't think it is that much but am willing to be proved wrong.
Simon
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Ensor wrote:
I'm in
Birmingham, the nearest port would be at least three hours away
at sublight speeds.
Isn't Bristol only about 85 miles down the road?
1:41 p.m.
Simon Fryer wrote:
I am not sure how much freight now travels to/from the
Bristol ports.
I don't think it is that much but am willing to be proved wrong.
If you can get a ship willing to haul it, many of those old mothballed
non-containerized piers are still happy for the business. At least,
here in the US.
Peace... Sridhar
4:43 p.m.
Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Simon Fryer wrote:
I hope that is just a passing comment about shipping ...
or was he adding to his collection ??? :)
I am not sure how much freight now travels
to/from the Bristol ports.
I don't think it is that much but am willing to be proved wrong.
If you can get a ship willing to haul it, many of those old mothballed
non-containerized piers are still happy for the business. At least,
here in the US. Peace... Sridhar
My feeling if you realy want it ... shipping is not a problem.
5:12 p.m.
In article <467056ED.2030406 at jetnet.ab.ca>,
woodelf <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> writes:
My feeling if you realy want it ... shipping is not a
problem.
As someone who just spend quite a bit of money to get that CDC PLATO
terminal sent to me from the UK, I agree. However, I don't know what
else would entice me to purchase from the UK again. It was painful.
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10:07 p.m.
woodelf wrote:
Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
I have no idea what he's doing specifically, but I was just making an
observation that you can get a cargo ship to put into many old ports
that are otherwise closed.
Peace... Sridhar
Simon Fryer wrote:
I hope that is just a passing comment about shipping ...
or was he adding to his collection ??? :) I am not sure how much freight now travels
to/from the Bristol ports.
I don't think it is that much but am willing to be proved wrong.
If you can get a ship willing to haul it, many of those old mothballed
non-containerized piers are still happy for the business. At least,
here in the US. 
25 Jun
25 Jun
12:22 p.m.
New subject: shipping (was: My sale or swap list (Update))
woodelf wrote:
My feeling if you realy want it ... shipping is not a
problem.
I'm going to need to do this at some point... I can't imagine it being *that*
expensive, based on costs I've seen in the past for shipping cars around the
world. My main worry is how the whole customs procedure works at the final
port though; if everything needs to be itemised then it'll be a huge headache
(particularly for things like spares for vintage machines, components etc.)
There's a place quite close to here which claims to handle such things, so I'm
going to give them a poke in the next couple of weeks and see how it all works...
(sorry for late reply - I've been off-email for a couple of weeks so I'm just
catching up with list traffic)
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