12 Feb
2008
12 Feb
'08
8:59 a.m.
Way back, wasn't there talk of some kind of "rescue map" showing which
classiccmpers lived where (roughly) and thus providing a clue as to who might
be able to help* with rescues?
* I'm thinking pickups, extra people-power, or just "get stuff a little nearer
to me"...
Maybe it's one of those Google Maps type applications, along with some contact
info and the type of hauling ability (micro/mini/mainframe) potentially available?
(I'm trying to work out the best way of getting a mini-sized system from the
middle of CO to the middle of MN at the moment - or at least get it a little
closer so I can borrow a friend's truck to go get it. Struck me that a "who is
where" map would be handy! :-)
cheers
Jules
12 Feb
12 Feb
10:03 a.m.
At 07:59 AM 2/12/2008, Jules Richardson wrote:
Way back, wasn't there talk of some kind of
"rescue map" showing which classiccmpers lived where (roughly) and thus
providing a clue as to who might be able to help* with rescues?
* I'm thinking pickups, extra people-power, or just "get stuff a little nearer to
me"...
Maybe it's one of those Google Maps type applications, along with some contact info
and the type of hauling ability (micro/mini/mainframe) potentially available?
Good thing I read ahead in my email. I was about to send you a private
mail that said "Where are you? [...] Someone needs to do a Google mashup
that lets us pinpoint other CCC members."
Also, I think it should be a CCC crime to post a "stuff available" message
without longitude and latitude and/or a Google maps link, but that's just me.
- John
11:48 a.m.
John Foust wrote:
Good thing I read ahead in my email. I was about to
send you a private
mail that said "Where are you? [...]
Heh. Bemidji, middle of Minnesota these days. Nice country up here, but
bugger-all vintage computing!
Someone needs to do a Google mashup that lets us
pinpoint other CCC
members."
You know, perhaps this hasn't ever even been suggested - I wonder if I'm just
thinking of Dave Dunfield's suggestion of a similar map to say who can handle
reading different types of media... (which is a good plan in its own right, IMHO)
Anyway, I don't mind maintaining some sort of 'big list of contacts' (and
have
some classiccmp space) if that much were useful - but it seems that a visual
map would be sensible, and I've never done anything involving linking to
Google maps before...
My thinking is that it just needs names, locations, contact info*, and the
types of service (potentially) available (muscle power, type of transport -
plus perhaps offer of temporary storage space?)
* if it's just essentially a classiccmp service, then maybe "find my email
address via the mailing list / archives" is sufficient and avoids the obvious
spam issues?
Also, I think it should be a CCC crime to post a
"stuff available" message
without longitude and latitude and/or a Google maps link, but that's just
me.
:-) Everyone has their own preference! Personally just knowing to the nearest
30 miles or so works for me.
cheers
Jules
13 Feb
13 Feb
2:08 p.m.
Jules Richardson wrote:
You know, perhaps this hasn't ever even been
suggested - I wonder if I'm
just
thinking of Dave Dunfield's suggestion of a similar map to say who can
handle
reading different types of media... (which is a good plan in its own
right, IMHO)
I'd second that one...
And before anyone asks about the floppy reader, the logic is mostly done, but
I've exhausted the size of the CPLDs I've got in stock, and I can't justify a
Digikey order at this point in time to get some FPGAs. Naturally the local
Xilinx/Altera rep is stonewalling me, and none of the lower-tier distributors
seem to stock anything bigger than an XC95288XL... even Ebay turned a blank.
Anyone got a couple of spare Xilinx Spartan2 chips knocking around that I
could beg, borrow, or buy? I'd love to get this thing finished... especially
if I can talk my university tutor into letting me do the data analysis
software for my final year project :)
* if it's just essentially a classiccmp service,
then maybe "find my email
address via the mailing list / archives" is sufficient and avoids the
obvious
spam issues?
Or have a contact form on the site... with a CAPTCHA to try and cut down on
the spam. (Even a simple text based "Enter the following in numbers: four
three two one" type thing like I've got on my site seems to keep a good 80-90%
of the spam at bay).
:-) Everyone has their own preference! Personally just
knowing to the
nearest 30 miles or so works for me.
Nearest town/city would be fine for me.
Could go as far as having a search on the site -- "I'm in Bradford, who's
nearest me?" -- then drill down -- "OK, who out of that list is interested in
Acorn kit?" -- and keep going.
Or I suppose you could have something of a profile set up, then put a link to
it in your signature...
I dunno, just throwing ideas around here.
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12 Feb
12 Feb
10:30 a.m.
From: "Jules Richardson":
Way back, wasn't there talk of some kind of
"rescue map" showing which
classiccmpers lived where (roughly) and thus providing a clue as to who
might be able to help* with rescues?
* I'm thinking pickups, extra people-power, or just "get stuff a little
nearer to me"...
Maybe it's one of those Google Maps type applications, along with some
contact info and the type of hauling ability (micro/mini/mainframe)
potentially available?
Something like http://www.frappr.com/pdp8owners?
There's also an existing one for pdp-11 owners, and probably a few
others -- why not also a classic computer rescue one?
Vince
11:43 a.m.
http://www.frappr.com/?a=constellation_map&mapid=137440346730
How's that?
On Feb 12, 2008 7:30 AM, Vincent Slyngstad <vrs at msn.com> wrote:
From: "Jules Richardson":
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Way back, wasn't there talk of some kind of
"rescue map" showing which
classiccmpers lived where (roughly) and thus providing a clue as to who
might be able to help* with rescues?
* I'm thinking pickups, extra people-power, or just "get stuff a little
nearer to me"...
Maybe it's one of those Google Maps type applications, along with some
contact info and the type of hauling ability (micro/mini/mainframe)
potentially available?
Something like http://www.frappr.com/pdp8owners?
There's also an existing one for pdp-11 owners, and probably a few
others -- why not also a classic computer rescue one?
Vince
12:01 p.m.
John Floren wrote:
Seems to be broken in Firefox - the 'move this pin' doesn't work, and putting
my zip code in gives me an "Are you in...?" question but with no yes/no
buttons to click on :-)
Maybe that's the nature of a beta service, but it seems to be a pretty
fundamental thing to be broken!
J.
12:27 p.m.
On Feb 12, 2008 9:01 AM, Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> wrote:
John Floren wrote:
Seems to be broken in Firefox - the 'move this pin' doesn't work, and
putting
my zip code in gives me an "Are you in...?" question but with no yes/no
buttons to click on :-)
Maybe that's the nature of a beta service, but it seems to be a pretty
fundamental thing to be broken!
J.
Don't know what version you're using, but my Firefox (2.0.0.10) is
working just fine. I even tested "Move this pin" and had no problems.
John
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7:44 p.m.
On Tuesday 12 February 2008 12:01, Jules Richardson wrote:
John Floren wrote:
Seems to be broken in Firefox - the 'move this pin' doesn't work, and
putting my zip code in gives me an "Are you in...?" question but with no
yes/no buttons to click on :-)
That part did behave rather oddly for me here too, but "add me" worked just
fine. No pic, though. :-)
Maybe that's the nature of a beta service, but it
seems to be a pretty
fundamental thing to be broken!
There have been some really strange behaviors with frappr in the past, like
it telling me that it couldn't load maps at the level of detail I was looking
at and that I should try zooming out, when it was already as zoomed out as
it was ever gonna get. I look at it as a work in progress.
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M Dakin
12:02 p.m.
John Floren wrote:
Is there any more memorable way to get there?
Or even a way to search for it on frappr?
I've added both of those maps to the Wiki (at least I can find that!!).
Antonio
arcarlini at iee.org
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12:22 p.m.
On Feb 12, 2008 9:02 AM, Antonio Carlini <arcarlini at iee.org> wrote:
John Floren wrote:
Is there any more memorable way to get there?
Or even a way to search for it on frappr?
I've added both of those maps to the Wiki (at least I can find that!!).
Antonio
arcarlini at iee.org
http://www.frappr.com/cctalk
If you have a better name for it, tell me and I'll change it.
John
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1:40 p.m.
John Floren wrote:
http://www.frappr.com/cctalk
If you have a better name for it, tell me and I'll change it.
That's fine. It's much more memorable than
?a=constellation_map&mapid=137440346730 :-)
Antonio
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13 Feb
13 Feb
8:12 a.m.
It is rare that I run across a website that makes me want to smash my
keyboard in frustration. frappr.com has been added to the list.
I signed up, went to the cctalk map, clicked the 'move this pin', entered
my address, clicked ok and.....
nothing.
Am I missing something obvious?
Clint
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Antonio Carlini wrote:
John Floren wrote:
Is there any more memorable way to get there?
Or even a way to search for it on frappr?
I've added both of those maps to the Wiki (at least I can find that!!).
Antonio
arcarlini at iee.org
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8:22 a.m.
At 07:12 AM 2/13/2008, cctech at vax-11.org wrote:
It is rare that I run across a website that makes me
want to smash my keyboard in frustration. frappr.com has been added to the list.
I signed up, went to the cctalk map, clicked the 'move this pin', entered my
address, clicked ok and..... nothing. Am I missing something obvious?
I would guess it's a browser-specific problem, as I had that trouble, too.
Uhm, what's the universal excuse? "It's a beta."
- John
21 Feb
21 Feb
9:13 p.m.
New subject: PDP 11/04 on dovebid
Here's the link:
http://www.dovebid.com/assets/display.asp?ItemID=swp1959
Clint
12 Feb
12 Feb
12:13 p.m.
This should be done through / in conjunction with Jay West.
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Subject: Re: The "who lives where" map...
http://www.frappr.com/?a=constellation_map&mapid=137440346730
How's that?
On Feb 12, 2008 7:30 AM, Vincent Slyngstad <vrs at msn.com> wrote:
From: "Jules Richardson":
--
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Way back, wasn't there talk of some kind of
"rescue map" showing
which classiccmpers lived where (roughly) and thus providing a clue
as to who might be able to help* with rescues?
* I'm thinking pickups, extra people-power, or just "get stuff a
little nearer to me"...
Maybe it's one of those Google Maps type applications, along with
some contact info and the type of hauling ability
(micro/mini/mainframe) potentially available?
Something like http://www.frappr.com/pdp8owners?
There's also an existing one for pdp-11 owners, and probably a few
others -- why not also a classic computer rescue one?
Vince
11:56 a.m.
Vincent Slyngstad wrote:
Something like http://www.frappr.com/pdp8owners?
There's also an existing one for pdp-11 owners, and probably a few
others -- why not also a classic computer rescue one?
Yep, that kind of thing was what I was thinking, but some kind of imposed
structure would probably be nice (to keep it simple, and to make sure people
state what they're offering - those frappr entries look to be quite freeform)
cheers
J.
11:06 a.m.
Way back, wasn't there talk of some kind of
"rescue map" showing which
classiccmpers lived where (roughly) and thus providing a clue as to who
might be able to help* with rescues?
Maybe it's one of those Google Maps type applications, along with some
contact info and the type of hauling ability (micro/mini/mainframe)
potentially available?
That is such a good idea! What about implementing that?
1:30 p.m.
Way back, wasn't there talk of some kind of
"rescue map" showing
which classiccmpers lived where (roughly) and thus providing a clue
as to who might be able to help* with rescues?
I live in downtown Montreal. I don't drive, though, which restricts me
to Montreal public transit range unless I can find helpful wheels.
I do the weekend commute to Ottawa, and, while my carry capacity is
strictly limited, I know people who do the drive moderately often.
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2:08 p.m.
der Mouse wrote:
I do the weekend commute to Ottawa, and, while my
carry capacity is
strictly limited, I know people who do the drive moderately often.
That's an interesting point - I'm not sure how we could usefully capture "I
regularly do this route, or know people that do" type information.
Maybe it can't sensibly be done (and I'm sure Jay sees nothing wrong with
"can
anyone help getting x from y to z?" messages on the list, anyway!)
cheers
Jules
2:31 p.m.
On 12 Feb 2008, at 19:08, Jules Richardson wrote:
That's an interesting point - I'm not sure how
we could usefully
capture "I regularly do this route, or know people that do" type
information.
Maybe it can't sensibly be done (and I'm sure Jay sees nothing wrong
with "can anyone help getting x from y to z?" messages on the list,
anyway!)
cheers
Jules
I have two locations at which I live, operate and can store / collect
computers and associated hardware. In France, for example, I have two
air-conditioned containers in my barn, one of which is currently
completely empty. I thought I could best represent this by adding two
locations on the frappr map, but couldn't find a way to do it. The
frappr approach is *nearly* there - if we could customise the fields
in the back-end database it would be ideal.
-Austin.
3:14 p.m.
Austin Pass wrote:
I have two locations at which I live, operate and can
store / collect
computers and associated hardware. In France, for example, I have two
air-conditioned containers in my barn, one of which is currently
completely empty. I thought I could best represent this by adding two
locations on the frappr map, but couldn't find a way to do it.
Hmm, that makes it a bit awkward - the ability to specify multiple locations
seems pretty mandatory.
The way I think I'd imagined it would be that 'we' hold the list of who is
where (and what they offer) - the map's just there to visualize things (i.e.
the site/service providing the maps isn't holding all the other data).
cheers
Jules
3:42 p.m.
OK, I added myself.
You guys without photos should at least grub around the internet and
find the URL of a classic machine.
(BTW, when you browse for a file in Windows, did you know that you can
paste a URL in there and it will get the file from the net? You can
use that to specify the photo for your map image as any image URL from
the net.)
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6:54 p.m.
Yep, the site's definitely still a little buggy. Somehow I'm a member
of the "cintas" group, and can't leave. And when I tried to join the
PDP-11 owners' map, it thought I was someone else entirely. Still, a
neat idea for a site.
2:51 p.m.
On Feb 12, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Jules Richardson wrote:
der Mouse wrote:
I'm sure he's not the only one. While I live in Portland, I'm a field
engineer for a phone system vendor, and my territory ranges from
Vancouver BC to Northern California, inland to western Montana. I'd
have no issues getting anywhere in that radius for classic equipment.
Similarly, I know one list member who lives in central California who
is willing to travel anywhere south of Sacramento, pretty much, for
gear.
I do the weekend commute to Ottawa, and, while my
carry capacity is
strictly limited, I know people who do the drive moderately often.
That's an interesting point - I'm not sure how we could usefully
capture "I regularly do this route, or know people that do" type
information.
Maybe it can't sensibly be done (and I'm sure Jay sees nothing wrong
with "can anyone help getting x from y to z?" messages on the list,
anyway!)
3:07 p.m.
C. Sullivan wrote:
On Feb 12, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Jules Richardson wrote:
Hmm, maybe that one's solved (more or less) by giving central points and an
operating radius for each? (OK, so states aren't round, but it'd sort-of work :-)
For anyone wanting an item rescued/moved/whatever, they'd probably have to try
a few points nearest to the item's location and find someone (hopefully) who
was willing to travel that far. Nothing wrong with us giving multiple
locations in order to build up an area of coverage, after all.
The problem that Der Mouse raised is that there's no easy way of representing
a route via the mapping solutions - only a geographical area (e.g. if someone
regularly does a 1000 mile run along a specific set of roads, there's no easy
way to capture that).
I still a map's helpful (and worth having) - but there's still going to be
things it can't do, and hence occasional transport pleas on the list!
cheers
Jules
der Mouse wrote:
I'm sure he's not the only one. While I live in Portland, I'm a field
engineer for a phone system vendor, and my territory ranges from
Vancouver BC to Northern California, inland to western Montana. I'd
have no issues getting anywhere in that radius for classic equipment. I do the weekend commute to Ottawa, and, while my
carry capacity is
strictly limited, I know people who do the drive moderately often.
That's an interesting point - I'm not sure how we could usefully
capture "I regularly do this route, or know people that do" type
information.
Maybe it can't sensibly be done (and I'm sure Jay sees nothing wrong
with "can anyone help getting x from y to z?" messages on the list,
anyway!) 
17 Feb
17 Feb
6:25 a.m.
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 13:08 -0600, Jules Richardson wrote:
der Mouse wrote:
Mashup with OpenStreetMap?
Gordon
I do the weekend commute to Ottawa, and, while my
carry capacity is
strictly limited, I know people who do the drive moderately often.
That's an interesting point - I'm not sure how we could usefully capture "I
regularly do this route, or know people that do" type information.
Maybe it can't sensibly be done (and I'm sure Jay sees nothing wrong with
"can
anyone help getting x from y to z?" messages on the list, anyway!)
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