22 Dec
2011
22 Dec
'11
6:45 p.m.
I have a 712/60 in fine working condition, but the top case is darn near
splitting in half. If anyone happens to have a spare case in good shape,
I'd love to replace the cover on mine. Secondary to that, I also wouldn't
mind upgrading the memory to something bigger than the 32 MB that's in it
now. I'm in Indianapolis, IN.
Thanks!
James
22 Dec
22 Dec
7:07 p.m.
I have a 712/60 in fine working condition, but the top
case is darn near
splitting in half. If anyone happens to have a spare case in good shape,
I'd love to replace the cover on mine. Secondary to that, I also wouldn't
mind upgrading the memory to something bigger than the 32 MB that's in it
now. I'm in Indianapolis, IN.
James, AFAIK, the 712 uses common 486 (simm-72) memory, I just don't
know if EDO or FPM. I can test some in mine if you feel like. Mine is topped
with 192 (?) MB.
7:49 p.m.
I have a 712/60
in fine working condition, but the top case is darn
near splitting in half. If anyone happens to have a spare case in
good shape, I'd love to replace the cover on mine. Secondary to that,
I also wouldn't mind upgrading the memory to something bigger than the
32 MB that's in it now. I'm in Indianapolis, IN.
James, AFAIK, the 712 uses common 486 (simm-72) memory, I just don't
know if EDO or FPM. I can test some in mine if you feel like. Mine is with 192 (?) MB.
Interesting - I guess I just assumed it was a special config. I'm pretty
sure I have some 72-pins lying around here that I can try out. A quick
search says it needs ECC, so hopefully I have some of those...
Thanks
8:15 p.m.
On Dec 22, 2011, at 10:49 PM, James wrote:
Interesting - I guess I just assumed it was a special
config. I'm pretty
sure I have some 72-pins lying around here that I can try out. A quick
search says it needs ECC, so hopefully I have some of those...
72-pin SIMMs of all sizes (both FPM and EDO) seem to be going dirt cheap on Ebay these
days; apparently someone has found some value in the vintage computer maintenance market
and started manufacturing them. I can get 128 MB SIMMs of both types for $20 (128MB is as
large as a 72-pin SIMM can get, and not widely supported; I'm assuming the 9000 only
does up to 32 MB per SIMM, which is a common limit).
- Dave
8:32 p.m.
72-pin SIMMs of all sizes (both FPM and EDO) seem to
be going dirt cheap
on
Ebay these days; apparently someone has found some
value in the vintage
computer maintenance market and started manufacturing them. I can get
128 MB SIMMs of both types for $20 (128MB is as large as a 72-pin SIMM can
get, and not widely supported; I'm assuming the 9000 only does up to 32 MB
per SIMM, which is a common limit).
From what I've read, that looks correct. The
712/60, at least, has 4 slots
and is listed with a max of 128 MB. Guess I'll be
hitting the Bay and doing
my best to get compatible SIMMs.
8:46 p.m.
On Dec 22, 2011 8:38 PM, "James" <james at slor.net> wrote:
From what I've read, that looks correct. The 712/60, at least, has 4
slots
and is listed with a max of 128 MB. Guess I'll be
hitting the Bay and
doing
my best to get compatible SIMMs.
The 712/60 and /80 have basically the same 4 slot motherboard with 128MB
max. The 712/100 motherboard has 6 slots for 192MB max. I have one or more
of each. A couple have the 16505A badge.
-Glen
8:59 p.m.
The 712/60 and /80 have basically the same 4 slot
motherboard with 128MB
max. The 712/100 motherboard has 6 slots for 192MB max. I have one or
more of each. A couple have the 16505A badge.
How many of yours have broken rear tabs or massive cracks in the cases? Or
is that just me...
9:16 p.m.
Mine has just the cover, no tabs, security lock, whatsoever :) It
already came this way, and doesn't affect me since I always use it closed,
with a monitor on top.
http://tabalabs.com.br/eletronica/16505/index.htm
(I had a nerdy photo here, but I dunno where it is)
Ah, here :D
http://www.tabajara-labs.blogspot.com/2011/10/hp16500c-hp16505a-e-oitocente…
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Subject: RE: Anyone have a case or memory for an HP 9000 712/60
The 712/60 and
/80 have basically the same 4 slot motherboard with 128MB
max. The 712/100 motherboard has 6 slots for 192MB max. I have one or
more of each. A couple have the 16505A badge.
How many of yours have broken rear tabs or massive cracks in the cases?
Or
is that just me...
9:20 p.m.
On Dec 22, 2011 9:11 PM, "James" <james at slor.net> wrote:
How many of yours have broken rear tabs or massive cracks in the cases?
Or
is that just me...
Most have at least one broken rear tab. Some are missing the floppy cutout
cover, or the cover is there but won't stay in place. No cracked tops
though.
I think these were designed for low cost and aren't as robust as other HP
systems of similar vintage.
9:34 p.m.
Most have at least one broken rear tab. Some are
missing the floppy cutout
cover, or the cover is there but won't stay in place. No cracked tops
though.
I think these were designed for low cost and aren't as robust as other HP
systems of similar vintage.
For me it seems as sturdy as anything HP (older) I have. BUT it is made
of plastic, and plastic breaks...Old plastic breaks easier... :o)
I do love my 712 :D So bad mine isn't the 100MHz model, but I can live
with that :D
Now, If I could learn to use the inverse assembler... :oP
9:01 p.m.
On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:32 PM, James wrote:
From what I've read, that looks correct. The
712/60, at least, has 4 slots
and is listed with a max of 128 MB. Guess I'll be hitting the Bay and doing
my best to get compatible SIMMs.
Auction 350478815109 should do the trick; if 10 is to many (but for $4 each, who really
cares?), there's 300621930749 ($5 each in pairs).
To the best of my knowledge, "parity" and "ECC" SIMMS should be the
same, since it's really just an extra 4 bits (and ECC is really a parity scheme when
you come down to it). The memory controller should be doing the heavy lifting, the SIMM
is just storage. Someone should definitely correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, to the best of my knowledge, the parity/ECC modules should work fine in standard
motherboards which will just ignore the extra 4 bits. I've not tried it, so I
certainly wouldn't vouch for it, but if you wind up with extra SIMMs, it might be a
worthy experiment.
- Dave
8:21 p.m.
Well shoot - tried every matched pair of 72-pin SIMMs I have and no dice.
Looks like the 712 takes FPM ECC. Must be none of my spare are that.
James
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From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:08 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Anyone have a case or memory for an HP 9000 712/60
topped
I have a 712/60 in fine working condition, but the
top case is darn
near splitting in half. If anyone happens to have a spare case in
good shape, I'd love to replace the cover on mine. Secondary to that,
I also wouldn't mind upgrading the memory to something bigger than the
32 MB that's in it now. I'm in Indianapolis, IN.
James, AFAIK, the 712 uses common 486 (simm-72) memory, I just don't
know if EDO or FPM. I can test some in mine if you feel like. Mine is with 192 (?) MB.
23 Dec
23 Dec
11:52 p.m.
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:07:46 -0200
"Alexandre Souza - Listas" <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com> wrote:
AFAIK, the 712 uses common 486 (simm-72) memory
No. The HP9000/7xx SIMMs look, smell, taste like PeeCee RAM, but they
are different. You need the very special, propriatary HP9000 SIMMs for
that machine.
BTW: I know where half a dozend 712/64 with 128 MB or 256 MB RAM and
HCRX24 are sitting in a shelf. They will hit the dumpster some time
next year. We are trying to get rid of them for qite some time.
Maybe I'll try to sell them at the VCFe flea market... again...
If you want one: Come and get it. Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany.
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24 Dec
24 Dec
3:45 a.m.
BTW: I know where half a dozend 712/64 with 128 MB or
256 MB RAM and
HCRX24 are sitting in a shelf. They will hit the dumpster some time
next year. We are trying to get rid of them for qite some time.
Maybe I'll try to sell them at the VCFe flea market... again...
If you want one: Come and get it. Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany.
Thanks Jochen, but I'm in the other side of the globe, in Brazil :)
7:05 a.m.
New subject: Need PSU for HP Apollo 735/125 - Re: Anyone have a case or memory for an HP 9000 712/60
On 24/12/11 2:52 AM, Jochen Kunz wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:07:46 -0200
"Alexandre Souza - Listas"<pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com> wrote:
I need a power supply for an HP Apollo 735/125. What are the chances
somebody on this list has one parted out? :/
--Toby
AFAIK, the 712 uses common 486 (simm-72) memory
No. The HP9000/7xx SIMMs look, smell, taste like PeeCee RAM, but they
are different. You need the very special, propriatary HP9000 SIMMs for
that machine.
BTW: I know where half a dozend 712/64 with 128 MB or 256 MB RAM and
HCRX24 are sitting in a shelf. They will hit the dumpster some time
next year. We are trying to get rid of them for qite some time.
Maybe I'll try to sell them at the VCFe flea market... again...
If you want one: Come and get it. Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany. 
10:45 a.m.
New subject: Need PSU for HP Apollo 735/125 - Re: Anyone have a case or memory
I need a power supply for an HP Apollo 735/125. What
are the chances
somebody on this list has one parted out? :/
I shall ask the obvious question : Do you have the old, defective PSU?
If you do, it's very possible that it could be repaired.
-tony
5:28 p.m.
New subject: Need PSU for HP Apollo 735/125 - Re: Anyone have a case or memory
On 24/12/11 1:45 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
Yes, I do. But no schematic. Apparently the soft power logic on these is
a bit quirky...
--Toby
I need a power
supply for an HP Apollo 735/125. What are the chances
somebody on this list has one parted out? :/
I shall ask the obvious question : Do you have the old, defective PSU?
If you do, it's very possible that it could be repaired.
-tony
25 Dec
25 Dec
12:40 a.m.
New subject: Need PSU for HP Apollo 735/125 - Re: Anyone have a case or memory
On 24/12/11 1:45 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
Yes, I do. But no schematic. Apparently the soft power logic on these is
a bit quirky...
Now I'll admit I've never seen one, but I cna't believe it's impossible
to figure out how it works, given enough time. But maybe that's more time
than you want to spend on it...
I asusme it's giving no outputs at all. Have you checked the obvious
things, such as the input rectifiers, chopper transistors, etc?
-tony
I need a
power supply for an HP Apollo 735/125. What are the chances
somebody on this list has one parted out? :/
I shall ask the obvious question : Do you have the old, defective PSU?
If you do, it's very possible that it could be repaired.
10:53 a.m.
New subject: Need PSU for HP Apollo 735/125 - Re: Anyone have a case or memory
On 25/12/11 3:40 AM, Tony Duell wrote:
I don't have the skills or equipment to troubleshoot it myself. I'd be
relying on the kindness of strangers. My ex-boss (a real EE) had a look
but ended up putting it in the too hard basket. With a schematic, he
might have had a chance...
--T
On 24/12/11 1:45 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
Yes, I do. But no schematic. Apparently the soft power logic on these is
a bit quirky...
Now I'll admit I've never seen one, but I cna't believe it's impossible
to figure out how it works, given enough time. But maybe that's more time
than you want to spend on it...
I asusme it's giving no outputs at all. Have you checked the obvious
things, such as the input rectifiers, chopper transistors, etc?
I need a
power supply for an HP Apollo 735/125. What are the chances
somebody on this list has one parted out? :/
I shall ask the obvious question : Do you have the old, defective PSU?
If you do, it's very possible that it could be repaired. -tony
26 Dec
26 Dec
9:24 a.m.
New subject: Need PSU for HP Apollo 735/125 - Re: Anyone have a case or memory
On 24/12/11 1:45 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
Of course I'd pay something for such a repair. I think with a schematic
in hand, I could get it done for around $100 here.
--Toby
I need a power
supply for an HP Apollo 735/125. What are the chances
somebody on this list has one parted out? :/
I shall ask the obvious question : Do you have the old, defective PSU?
If you do, it's very possible that it could be repaired.
-tony
24 Dec
24 Dec
7:55 a.m.
AFAIK, the 712
uses common 486 (simm-72) memory
No. The HP9000/7xx SIMMs look, smell, taste like
PeeCee RAM, but they are
different. You need the very special, propriatary HP9000 SIMMs for that
machine.
BTW: I know where half a dozend 712/64 with 128 MB or 256 MB RAM and
HCRX24 are sitting in a shelf. They will hit the dumpster some time next
year.
We are trying to get rid of them for qite some time.
Maybe I'll try to sell them at the VCFe flea market... again...
If you want one: Come and get it. Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany.
Drop me a line directly if you'd consider shipping some RAM and/or an
unbroken case to the USA.
thanks
26 Dec
26 Dec
5:10 p.m.
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 7:55 AM, James <james at slor.net> wrote:
Sounds like I'll be disappointed when my eBay purchase shows up.
I was just looking at one of my 712/60's to see what the part number
is on the DRAM modules. It is A2575-60001 on the 32MB modules.
If you haven't already found a cheaper source, here's the cheapest I
found on a quick look today:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150636102804
HP A2575-60001 2x32MB SIMM Memory HP9000 E35
P/N: A2575-60001
Two (2) 32MB ECC 72-pin Simms 4K refresh
$18.95 free shipping
Or max out your 712/60 with 128MB for less than $40.
AFAIK, the 712 uses common 486 (simm-72) memory
No. The HP9000/7xx SIMMs look, smell, taste like PeeCee RAM, but they are
different. You need the very special, propriatary HP9000 SIMMs for that
machine.
6 Jan
6 Jan
11:16 p.m.
I was just looking at one of my 712/60's to see
what the part number is on
the DRAM modules. It is A2575-60001 on the 32MB modules.
If you haven't already found a cheaper source, here's the cheapest I found
on a quick look today:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150636102804
HP A2575-60001 2x32MB SIMM Memory HP9000 E35
Thanks for the link. Received a couple pairs of those today, and my machine
is now maxed out at 128 MB. Now, if someone would just offer up a better
case... :)
James
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