On 01/05/2012 05:37 PM, MikeS wrote: This is one of those times where I think of a FAR better response than the one I sent as a knee-jerk reaction to someone pissing in my pool AFTER the fact. What a bummer. Here's a response to the above that actually MEANS something: Generally speaking I don't. But when plumbers, women, or Jews start displaying the unbelievable levels of incompetence at plumbing, femaleness, or Judaism that I see coming out of computer programmers every day nowdays, you'd better grab your popcorn, because I will have PLENTY to say about them. I don't deride these people because they're programmers. Nor would I deride someone because they're a plumber, a woman, or a Jew. That would be silly just to begin with, but on top of that, I have a friend who's a plumber, I'm happily engaged to a women, and I have LOTS of friends who are Jewish. Finding out that I have to clarify things like this for supposedly intelligent people is deeply disheartening and causes me to lose confidence in the general state of society. But then you're probably just bored, sitting in your parents' basement, giggling to yourself thinking "ahh, that hot-head McGuire is here, he'll take ANY bait, let's have some fun!" -Dave -- Dave McGuire New Kensington, PA