10 Nov
2006
10 Nov
'06
12:10 a.m.
Thanks for the post on VCF - unfortunately I couldn't make it this year.
It's hard to believe that you can't get a thread going about VCF on this
list. Don't know if that says something about the show, the list or
both. In the old days there was a lot of excitement - daily reports,
links to pictures, etc. Now, almost nothing.
-W
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:57:44 -0800
From: Marvin Johnston <marvin at rain.org>
Subject: VCF 9.0
To: ClassicCmp <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <4551FE78.E95A88B2 at rain.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I haven't seen anything about VCF yet, so thought I would put
down a few comments.
It was a fun time as usual at VCF, and I met a lot of
interesting people there. I got a chance to put some faces
with names, and that is always a lot of fun. The majority of
my time was spent taking care of my vendor booth, and so I
didn't take a lot of time to spend in other areas.
One of the neat additions was the kit building workshops.
Several people got their Apple I replica kits signed by Woz.
It seemed like the number of vendors and exhibitors were
down, but the number of people attending were up. One of the
exhibits I liked was the Apple Lisa. The exhibitor, who goes
by Lisa :), was very knowledgeable and I learned a number of
things from her regarding collecting Lisas.
For those that don't know me, I do have a perverted sense of
humor. I had brought a Chisholm computer that I think might
be a prototype of the first IBM battery operated portable
(later licensed to Olivetti) to see if anyone knew anything
about it. Evan will hopefully be doing an interview with the
company president, and I mainly brought it for him to see.
But after watching people ignore it, I put a $2000 price tag
on it ... and that got it a little more attention :). But
people still didn't ask about it though they took more notice
of it. And no, I don't think it is worth anywhere near that
much money.
I was talking to Sellam, and it would have been a good place
to at least mention the Vintage Market Place for
selling/trading/buying/etc. vintage computer stuff. And I
also think this and Eric's listservers should also have been
mentioned. If we are to help build this hobby, it might be a
good idea to let people know where to get more information :).
10 Nov
10 Nov
12:38 a.m.
I think that's partially because Sellam left this list, and partially
because some key exhibitors now hang out more often at Erik Klein's forum.
Last weekend was my fifth VCF overall and third one in California. The
audience was as numerous and vibrant as ever, especially on the first day
because of the Apple 30th celebration.
For the East 4.0 show next spring, we are * tentatively * planning a
Commodore 30th event. Depending on the timing, we might also have (at
least) IRC terminals connected to VCF Europa if it's the same weekend, or
(if we're really ambitious) live videocasts of the keynotes.
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Smith [mailto:wayne.smith at charter.net]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:10 AM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: VCF 9.0
Thanks for the post on VCF - unfortunately I couldn't make it this year.
It's hard to believe that you can't get a thread going about VCF on this
list. Don't know if that says something about the show, the list or both.
In the old days there was a lot of excitement - daily reports, links to
pictures, etc. Now, almost nothing.
-W
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:57:44 -0800
From: Marvin Johnston <marvin at rain.org>
Subject: VCF 9.0
To: ClassicCmp <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <4551FE78.E95A88B2 at rain.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I haven't seen anything about VCF yet, so thought I would put down a
few comments.
It was a fun time as usual at VCF, and I met a lot of interesting
people there. I got a chance to put some faces with names, and that is
always a lot of fun. The majority of my time was spent taking care of
my vendor booth, and so I didn't take a lot of time to spend in other
areas.
One of the neat additions was the kit building workshops.
Several people got their Apple I replica kits signed by Woz.
It seemed like the number of vendors and exhibitors were down, but the
number of people attending were up. One of the exhibits I liked was
the Apple Lisa. The exhibitor, who goes by Lisa :), was very
knowledgeable and I learned a number of things from her regarding
collecting Lisas.
For those that don't know me, I do have a perverted sense of humor. I
had brought a Chisholm computer that I think might be a prototype of
the first IBM battery operated portable (later licensed to Olivetti)
to see if anyone knew anything about it. Evan will hopefully be doing
an interview with the company president, and I mainly brought it for
him to see.
But after watching people ignore it, I put a $2000 price tag on it ...
and that got it a little more attention :). But people still didn't
ask about it though they took more notice of it. And no, I don't think
it is worth anywhere near that much money.
I was talking to Sellam, and it would have been a good place to at
least mention the Vintage Market Place for selling/trading/buying/etc.
vintage computer stuff. And I also think this and Eric's listservers
should also have been mentioned. If we are to help build this hobby,
it might be a good idea to let people know where to get more
information :).
8:04 a.m.
And thusly were the wise words spake by Evan Koblentz
For the East 4.0 show next spring, we are * tentatively * planning a
Commodore 30th event. Depending on the timing, we might also have (at
Commodore goood! :D
least) IRC terminals connected to VCF Europa if
it's the same weekend, or
(if we're really ambitious) live videocasts of the keynotes.
Cheers,
Bryan
13 Nov
13 Nov
10:30 a.m.
Wayne wrote....
It's hard to believe that you can't get a
thread going about VCF on this
list. Don't know if that says something about the show, the list or
both. In the old days there was a lot of excitement - daily reports,
links to pictures, etc. Now, almost nothing.
I think it has to do mostly with the phase variance of peoples schedules and
attention spans. There's times when a post gets made that normally everyone
would chime in on, and no one does. The opposite also occurs.
Evan wrote...
I think that's partially because Sellam left this
list, and partially
because some key exhibitors now hang out more often at Erik Klein's forum.
Nah, definitely not.
Jay
6:48 a.m.
Jay West wrote:
Wayne wrote....
My suspicions:
1) Any given VCF is way too far away for the majority to attend.
2) Pictures and technical info on systems can be found on the 'net already.
3) Discussions (and banter) with system owners can be regularly be had here
already.
... hence for most people a VCF discussion just serves no purpose, unlike in
the early days when it was something new and different to talk about (and
hence popular discussion even amongst non-attendees)
I don't think there's anything wrong with the show(s), or with the list - it's
just that now it's an 'old' concept there's less interest from the people
who
won't be / weren't there.
That's not to say that there's *no* interest of course, so I am surprised that
there aren't more reports following a show given that it'd seem natural for a
lot of people to want to tell a story of their experiences there.
cheers
Jules
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It's hard to believe that you can't get a
thread going about VCF on this
list. Don't know if that says something about the show, the list or
both. In the old days there was a lot of excitement - daily reports,
links to pictures, etc. Now, almost nothing.
I think it has to do mostly with the phase variance of peoples schedules
and attention spans. There's times when a post gets made that normally
everyone would chime in on, and no one does. The opposite also occurs. 
12:43 p.m.
From: "Jules Richardson" <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk>
My suspicions:
1) Any given VCF is way too far away for the majority to attend.
That's why we're interested :-).
2) Pictures and technical info on systems can be found
on the 'net
already.
3) Discussions (and banter) with system owners can be regularly be had
here already.
Maybe the show talk all happened somewhere else, and I missed it?
... hence for most people a VCF discussion just serves
no purpose, unlike
in the early days when it was something new and different to talk about
(and hence popular discussion even amongst non-attendees)
I thought there were going to be some cool workshops and stuff. Didn't
anyone build anything at the workshops? Or maybe everyone did, so it
didn't seem like a big deal?
I don't think there's anything wrong with the
show(s), or with the list -
it's just that now it's an 'old' concept there's less interest from
the
people who won't be / weren't there.
Surely there's still *something* controversial or interesting about them!
Vince
12:57 p.m.
I thought there were going to be some cool workshops
and stuff. Didn't
anyone build anything at the workshops? Or maybe everyone did, so it
didn't seem like a big deal?
I built both the Replica 1 SE (and got it signed by Woz!) and the ELF
2K. Both projects were fun and resulted in working boards. I'm now in
the process of adding some of the optional parts to my ELF 2K (like
the serial port and EPROM). Unfortunately, I missed the Apple 30th
celebration because it happened at the same time as the ELF workshop. :-(
4:34 p.m.
On 11/14/06, David Betz <dbetz at xlisper.com> wrote:
I built both the Replica 1 SE (and got it signed by
Woz!) and the ELF
2K.
Very nice. I would have liked to have made a Replica 1 SE and gotten
it signed. There's a rumor going around here that Woz is going to
traverse to South Pole next year, so perhaps then.
Both projects were fun and resulted in working boards.
Even better.
I'm now in the process of adding some of the
optional parts to my ELF 2K
(like the serial port and EPROM).
I have that add-on board on my Elf2K. I like it a lot. I don't know
if you've dug deeply into ElfOS, but there's a v3 Z-machine for it (v5
is just too large to work on a machine with 32K of RAM without some
serious swapping of impure as well as pure portions of the game file).
4:42 p.m.
On 11/14/06, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/14/06, David Betz <dbetz at xlisper.com>
wrote:
I guess it's more than a rumor...
http://blog.wired.com/cultofmac/2006/07/woz_to_drive_hy.html?entry_id=15308…
-ethan
I built both the Replica 1 SE (and got it signed
by Woz!) and the ELF
2K.
Very nice. I would have liked to have made a Replica 1 SE and gotten
it signed. There's a rumor going around here that Woz is going to
traverse to South Pole next year, so perhaps then. 
14 Nov
14 Nov
2:16 a.m.
From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk at
yahoo.co.uk>
---snip---
That's not to say that there's *no* interest of course, so I am surprised
that there aren't more reports following a show given that it'd seem
natural for a lot of people to want to tell a story of their experiences
there.
Hi
I was there on Saturday. I came mostly to here Woz talk and the
stories about the early Apple's. Woz talked about his choice to
use DRAM over static. He said it was size and cost. Fewer parts
meant less cost. He also mentions that the early code was hand
assembled. He stated that if one looked at the code on would
see the occational jump to insert a patch to the code.
I saw the exhibits as well. There was a smaller turnout this year
then last year for exhibits. Marvin was there selling stuff and I think
one or two others. The fellow from England was there with most
of a Babage Engine. Larry Pazzolo had a Spere( sp? ) system but
has not been able to find much docs.
One fellow had a EC-1 doing the bouncing ball simulation. I don't
think there was as much effort into the over powering exhibit
that took prizes as last year. This could be a good thing. I thought
that most of these tended to be too much on, " look at all
the stuff I have " and not enough on restoration, preservation
and history.
I'm hoping that maybe in future years, these will get to be more
important than fancy exhibits.
I took pictures but haven't gotten around to up loading to my
PC.
Dwight
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12:46 p.m.
New subject: Sphere system owned by Larry Pazzolo (was: VCF 9.0)
In article <BAY130-F2C6F218CEBF10354A5370A3EB0 at phx.gbl>,
"dwight elvey" <dkelvey at hotmail.com> writes:
[...] Larry Pazzolo had a Spere( sp? ) system but
has not been able to find much docs.
Is this the one mentioned in Collectible Microcomputers?
If so, it was manufactured in Utah about 20 minutes north of where I
live. I might be able to help in tracking down some information. Is
Larry on this list?
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New subject: Sphere system owned by Larry Pazzolo (was: VCF 9.0)
Some more Sphere info:
<http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/Sphere/First_Sphere.htm>
<http://www.digibarn.com/collections/mags/byte-sept-oct-1975/two/index.html>
<http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/BYTE/Oct1975/are_they_real.htm>
<http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~hl/c.photo.html>
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