Paul Slysh wrote: the LNW80 was a garage operation of three buddies, one of which I wored with. Gene Lu was working at Microdata in 78 or 79 when their company cloned the TRS80. There was some quesiton about whether copyright extended to cover electronic expressions of information such as proms, and so at the time the Apple 2 was cloned in Taiwan, the "Pineapple" and these guys went out and did the TRS80. They were both shutdown by the courts, but did a lot of business beforehand. I don't recall when they ceased operations. Gene Lu was the founder of Advanced Logic Research, which is now part of Gateway, ususally associated with the server products that Gateway sells, though remotely now. It was dismantled when Gateway had a consolidation of operations and moved ALR from Irvine, and now exists primarily in name only. Jim