28 Apr
2006
28 Apr
'06
5:21 p.m.
Hi,
I am in the process of converting my AViiON 3000 into
a "media server" (i.e. hook up all my SCSI peripherals
to it so I can read and write different media in one place...
instead of dragging peripherals from one machine to another).
The (old, slow) CD-RW that I had installed in it appears
to be dead/dying. At first, I thought it was an issue
of not liking "home-recorded" CD's. But, it appears
to dislike "real" CD's just as much! :-(
Aside from flashing LEDs, it's hard to tell what, if
anything, it is doing (fans on the AV3000 are loud).
I plan to take the covers off it (the CD-RW) and verify
the hub is spinning, actuator arm is moving, etc.
Other than that, could be a problem in the optics
(which means toss it out...)
It's a Yamaha CRW4260t-NB so its no big loss (though it
does have a strap to allow it to be configured for different
sector sizes).
Any other tricks I can try? Any suggestions for a replacement
drive? (I'm not looking for anything fancy -- just would be nice
to be able to burn CD's on this machine as it has most of my
file archive attached to it)
Thanks!
--don
28 Apr
28 Apr
5:31 p.m.
Any other tricks I can try? Any suggestions for a
replacement
drive? (I'm not looking for anything fancy -- just would be nice
to be able to burn CD's on this machine as it has most of my
file archive attached to it)
If you're real lucky, you might be able to get ahold of a 16x Plextor CD-R
drive (no, I'm not about to let go of mine). Otherwise your best bet is
probably going to be to get a Acard EIDE-SCSI converter, as that is what
most people use. People are even using them for DVD-RW drives.
Zane
5:44 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Advice on SCSI CD-RW
I have an ACARD IDE to SCSI (50 pin) converters, how well do they run for
DVD recording? I purchased it for an old Mac project I never got around to
and it is sitting on the shelf now. Would NERO or other common software look
for a DVD recorder on the SCSI chain (very uncommon) and recognize it?
Any other
tricks I can try? Any suggestions for a replacement
drive? (I'm not looking for anything fancy -- just would be nice
to be able to burn CD's on this machine as it has most of my
file archive attached to it)
If you're real lucky, you might be able to get ahold of a 16x Plextor CD-R
drive (no, I'm not about to let go of mine). Otherwise your best bet is
probably going to be to get a Acard EIDE-SCSI converter, as that is what
most people use. People are even using them for DVD-RW drives.
Zane 
29 Apr
29 Apr
7:35 a.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Hmm, I used to have a Plextor drive - I think it was only 8x though, not 16x.
Still, it was a really good drive. Unfortunately mine gave up a few years ago
and I've been through several HP and Yamaha units since without finding a good
replacement. (I think my current 'operational' drive is a 4x Yamaha; I'm not
near the machine to check)
It's not that big a deal as I hardly ever use CDs for anything because they're
so unreliable though...
FWIW, I don't think I've *ever* seen a SCSI CD-RW drive, only CD-R. I expect
that they must exist, though.
cheers
Jules
Any other
tricks I can try? Any suggestions for a replacement
drive? (I'm not looking for anything fancy -- just would be nice
to be able to burn CD's on this machine as it has most of my
file archive attached to it)
If you're real lucky, you might be able to get ahold of a 16x Plextor CD-R
drive 
8:31 a.m.
Rumor has it that Jules Richardson may have mentioned these words:
FWIW, I don't think I've *ever* seen a SCSI
CD-RW drive, only CD-R. I
expect that they must exist, though.
They sure do. Had the *first* one ever made[1], too. Spent 3 months on a
waiting list for a $550 Ricoh 4x read, 2x Rom Burn, 2x RW burn drive, and
it was SCSI; IDE couldn't keep up well enough on the original Pentiums[2]
back then; and buffer underruns were *very* common with the first IDE
drives. BurnProof & friends obviously didn't exist back then. ;-)
Gwarsh - that sucker's awfully close to being ontopic, if it isn't already!
I was debating all of the differing technologies of the time (PD/CD, etc.)
and when I finally saw a drive that would take a rewritable disk without
needing a special caddy, special software, special whatever, I was giddy
like a schoolgirl & put one on order. IIRC, it could be jumpered for
512-byte sectors, but my memory might be faulty on that.
Still have the drive, it survived a motherboard gesplosion, but then it was
just too slow (Heck, the 24x drives were out by then) and insurance paid
for a new machine & drive.
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
[1] At least for the consumer market, that I know of...
[2] Actually, it was a 120Mhz Cyrix 6x86 overclocked to 133, so it was
roughly equivalent to a 166Mhz Pentium, without MMX.
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9:37 a.m.
On 4/29/2006 at 11:31 AM Roger Merchberger wrote:
Rumor has it that Jules Richardson may have mentioned
these words:
already!
FWIW, I don't think I've *ever* seen a
SCSI CD-RW drive, only CD-R. I
expect that they must exist, though.
They sure do. Had the *first* one ever made[1], too. Spent 3 months on a
waiting list for a $550 Ricoh 4x read, 2x Rom Burn, 2x RW burn drive, and
it was SCSI; IDE couldn't keep up well enough on the original Pentiums[2]
back then; and buffer underruns were *very* common with the first IDE
drives. BurnProof & friends obviously didn't exist back then. ;-)
Gwarsh - that sucker's awfully close to being ontopic, if it isn't
I was debating all of the differing technologies of the time (PD/CD, etc.)
and when I finally saw a drive that would take a
rewritable disk without
needing a special caddy, special software, special whatever, I was giddy
like a schoolgirl & put one on order. IIRC, it could be jumpered for
512-byte sectors, but my memory might be faulty on that.
Still have the drive, it survived a motherboard gesplosion, but then it
was
just too slow (Heck, the 24x drives were out by then) and insurance paid
for a new machine & drive.
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
[1] At least for the consumer market, that I know of...
[2] Actually, it was a 120Mhz Cyrix 6x86 overclocked to 133, so it was
roughly equivalent to a 166Mhz Pentium, without MMX.
--
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zmerch at 30below.com
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9:40 a.m.
Still got my Ricoh SCSI CD-R/CD-RW kicking around. In spite of its slow
speed, it's still very useful when I want to load a system from CD to a
laptop that has no USB or PCMCIA capabilities. I just use my Adaptec 358
parallel-to-SCSI adapter and let 'er rip.
Cheers,
Chuck
7:43 p.m.
> FWIW, I don't think I've *ever* seen a
SCSI CD-RW drive, only CD-R.
> I expect that they must exist, though.
I have one that claims to be such a thing. While I know it reads CDs,
and writes burn-once CDs, I have never tried the CD-RW capability, but
I also have no reason to doubt it.
cd0 at scsibus1 targ 3 lun 0: <YAMAHA, CRW8424S, 1.0j> SCSI2 5/cdrom removable
The 8424 part is 8x/4x/24x (write/rewrite/read, I believe); the
markings on the front make this clear.
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30 Apr
10:44 a.m.
On Saturday 29 April 2006 10:43 pm, der Mouse wrote:
Hm, you guys have prodded me into going and looking at the box I have sitting
here with the 4260 in it... :-)
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> FWIW, I
don't think I've *ever* seen a SCSI CD-RW drive, only CD-R.
> I expect that they must exist, though.
I have one that claims to be such a thing. While I know it reads CDs,
and writes burn-once CDs, I have never tried the CD-RW capability, but
I also have no reason to doubt it.
cd0 at scsibus1 targ 3 lun 0: <YAMAHA, CRW8424S, 1.0j> SCSI2 5/cdrom
removable
The 8424 part is 8x/4x/24x (write/rewrite/read, I believe); the
markings on the front make this clear. 
7:34 a.m.
I just took a couple of Plextor SCSI CD-RW drives out of a system if
anyone wants them for postage and a little beer money. One is a Plextor
PX=R4 12 Ci Plexwriter and the othe is a Plextor PS-32CSi. They both use
standard caddies and one caddy is included with each one. They're both
pulls and I haven't tested them but they look fine.
Joe
11:49 a.m.
FWIW, I
don't think I've *ever* seen a SCSI CD-RW drive, only CD-R.
I expect that they must exist, though.
I have one that claims to be such a thing. While I know it reads CDs,
and writes burn-once CDs, I have never tried the CD-RW capability, but
I also have no reason to doubt it.
cd0 at scsibus1 targ 3 lun 0: <YAMAHA, CRW8424S, 1.0j> SCSI2 5/cdrom
removable
The 8424 part is 8x/4x/24x (write/rewrite/read, I believe); the
markings on the front make this clear.
29 Apr
29 Apr
9:49 a.m.
Jules Richardson wrote:
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Hmm, I used to have a Plextor drive - I think it was only 8x though, not
16x. Still, it was a really good drive. Unfortunately mine gave up a few
years ago and I've been through several HP and Yamaha units since
without finding a good replacement. (I think my current 'operational'
I'd avoided Plextor originally as a friend had one that was
always "packing up".
Any other
tricks I can try? Any suggestions for a replacement
drive? (I'm not looking for anything fancy -- just would be nice
to be able to burn CD's on this machine as it has most of my
file archive attached to it)
If you're real lucky, you might be able to get ahold of a 16x Plextor
CD-R
drive drive is a 4x Yamaha; I'm not near the machine to
check)
It's not that big a deal as I hardly ever use CDs for anything because
they're so unreliable though...
They're great for moving lots of data to/from folks who live
in PC-land.
FWIW, I don't think I've *ever* seen a SCSI
CD-RW drive, only CD-R. I
expect that they must exist, though.
Yes, the drive I was complaining about is CD-R/W. Slow, but
still R/W! :> In this application, I just want writeability,
not necessarily speed. I.e. if I want to pull a bunch of files
(e.g., a copy of a mirror) out of my archive to send to a
friend/associate.
I disassembled this "bad" Yamaha drive to verify the
mechanisms were at least PRETENDING to work. With the skin
off, I could verify that the spindle was operational,
that the pickup's sled could articulate smoothly, etc.
And, magically, it started recognizing CD's!
Hmmm...
OK, put the skin back on. *Still* "works".
Yeah, you know what comes next... reinstalled it in the
AViiON and it's blind, again. :-(
Next attack: pull the mounting rails off the case and
see if *that* brings it back to life!
30 Apr
30 Apr
1:39 p.m.
At 9:49 AM -0700 4/29/06, Don Y wrote:
I'd avoided Plextor originally as a friend had one
that was
always "packing up".
I've got a 32x UW-SCSI drive in my DEC PWS 433au Alpha, a 8x SCSI
Caddy drive in my PDP-11/73, and that 16x SCSI CD-RW drive sitting in
a expansion box with an Exabyte 8500 8mm tape drive as a floater.
All Plextors, all very good drives.
The only Optical drives I've ever had real issues with was my Pioneer
2x DVD-RW drive (I even had to send it back on Warranty when some
plastic piece inside broke), and my original 2x SCSI CD-R drive, it
wanted to periodically be greased (the 2nd or 3rd time I replaced it
with the 16x Plextor).
Zane
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