I was going to say I thought it was a 27 pin from memory, but a 37 pin D shell sounds about right. Apple bundled the card with a drive, but that drive might just be a regular drive in an apple case. How would I be able to determine that? (I don't mind opening mine to check if it means the other guy can benifit from the info and assemble a drive to use with their card) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>