23 Jan
2012
23 Jan
'12
2:23 p.m.
Greetings;
Like many of you here I am an old time home computer
guy who got his start in 1976 when I built my first computer, an Altair
8800.
I am writing to get some information on a number of Dr
Dobb's Journals that I wish to sell. I would like some input on what an
honest price would be. I am also trying to determine if I should sell
these one by one or in volume sets.
I have the following:
Volume number? Issue #
1??? ??? ???????????????? 1,3,6, 10
2????????????????????????? 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
3????????????????????????? 2,5,6,7,8,9,10
4?????????????????????????? 1,3,4,6,7,8,9,10
5?????????????????????????? 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
6?????????????????????????? 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12
7??????????????????????????? 2
Your input would be appreciated.
23 Jan
23 Jan
2:40 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
http://tinyurl.com/6m6abl8
This is a manual with all computers produced by CCE in Brazil. There are
apple clones, PC-XT clones and the MC-1000, an orphan computer that no one
is able to perfectly source its origins
Please seed.
---
Enviado do meu Motorola PT550
Meu site: http://www.tabalabs.com.br
6:26 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
On 23 Jan 2012 at 12:40, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/6m6abl8
This is a manual with all computers produced by CCE in Brazil.
There are
apple clones, PC-XT clones and the MC-1000, an orphan computer that no
one is able to perfectly source its origins
Please seed.
Sorry, Alexandre, but I don't do torrents--they've gotten a very bad
reputation here in the USA for a means of pirating intellectual
property. If you could upload this to one of the file-sharing sites,
that would be better for a lot of people.
All the best,
Chuck
6:39 p.m.
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 23 Jan 2012 at 12:40, Alexandre Souza - Listas
wrote:
So have computers. Better quit using those too.
g.
--
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end.
http://tinyurl.com/6m6abl8
This is a manual with all computers produced by CCE in Brazil.
There are
apple clones, PC-XT clones and the MC-1000, an orphan computer that no
one is able to perfectly source its origins
Please seed.
Sorry, Alexandre, but I don't do torrents--they've gotten a very bad
reputation here in the USA for a means of pirating intellectual
property. If you could upload this to one of the file-sharing sites,
that would be better for a lot of people.
6:48 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
On Jan 23 2012, Gene Buckle wrote:
He's right, I suggest using Megaupload.com, they're one of the best file
sharing sites.
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Sorry,
Alexandre, but I don't do torrents--they've gotten a very bad
reputation here in the USA for a means of pirating intellectual
property. If you could upload this to one of the file-sharing sites,
that would be better for a lot of people.
So have computers. Better quit using those too. 
7:02 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
On 1/23/12 10:48 AM, Richard Atkinson wrote:
I suggest using Megaupload.com
very funny.
7:22 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
On 1/23/12 10:48 AM, Richard Atkinson wrote:
It was.
I suggest using Megaupload.com
very funny.
7:36 p.m.
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On 23 Jan 2012 at 10:39, Gene Buckle wrote:
Very funny. I'm just saying what's so. There's a war on P2P
going on and I don't want myself or anyone else to get caught in the
middle of it.
I suspect that there are members of this list with personal websites
who probably would be happy to host the content.
--Chuck
Sorry,
Alexandre, but I don't do torrents--they've gotten a very bad
reputation here in the USA for a means of pirating intellectual
property. If you could upload this to one of the file-sharing
sites, that would be better for a lot of people.
So have computers. Better quit using those too.
8:18 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 23 Jan 2012 at 10:39, Gene Buckle wrote:
Very funny. I'm just saying what's so. There's a war on P2P
going on and I don't want myself or anyone else to get caught in the
middle of it.
Your original statement would have been accurate had it been changed to
say "among non-technical users that don't know what they're talking
about"
Sorry,
Alexandre, but I don't do torrents--they've gotten a very bad
reputation here in the USA for a means of pirating intellectual
property. If you could upload this to one of the file-sharing
sites, that would be better for a lot of people.
So have computers. Better quit using those too. from "here in the USA".
Following your argument to its (il)logical conclusion would require the
elimination of xmodem, zmodem, etc. as well as FTP. Don't forget FidoNet.
Gotta smash that doggie flat too. *rolls eyes*
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end.
8:55 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
On 23 Jan 2012 at 12:18, Gene Buckle wrote:
Following your argument to its (il)logical conclusion
would require
the elimination of xmodem, zmodem, etc. as well as FTP. Don't forget
FidoNet. Gotta smash that doggie flat too. *rolls eyes*
You're confusing official policy with reality. Was Megaupload bad?
I don't think so--but look what happened to them. TPB has been the
target of massive government efforts to smash it.
Perhaps I'm overly paranoid, but that doesn't mean that they're not
out to get me.
And nowhere, save North Korea and perhaps Iran, is the government
more aggressive in trying to stamp out file-sharing than in the USA.
If you want to rant at someone, go rant to your elected
representatives.
That's all I have to say on the matter.
--Chuck
24 Jan
24 Jan
2:23 a.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:55:57PM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 23 Jan 2012 at 12:18, Gene Buckle wrote:
Well, Megaupload was run by Kim Schmitz (lately calling himself Kim
Dotcom). Anything _that_ guy touches is bad by definition. In the german
hacker scene, he made a name for himself:
- always talking wildy
- not knowing stuff
- having an ego of gigantic proportions
- trapping other hackers to sell them to laywers (there was a very
profitable cooperation going on with the Freiherr von Gravenreuth
for a few years)
He was also found guilty of insider trading and embezzlement in 2002 and
is known as a con man.
Don't touch anything that guy is involved with with a ten foot pole.
Following your argument to its (il)logical
conclusion would require
the elimination of xmodem, zmodem, etc. as well as FTP. Don't forget
FidoNet. Gotta smash that doggie flat too. *rolls eyes*
You're confusing official policy with reality. Was Megaupload bad? I don't think so--but look what happened to them.
TPB has been the
target of massive government efforts to smash it.
At least those guys appear not to be a bunch of scammers and con men.
Perhaps I'm overly paranoid, but that doesn't
mean that they're not
out to get me.
As they say: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out
to get you!" ;-)
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
4:43 a.m.
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On 24 Jan 2012 at 3:23, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Well, Megaupload was run by Kim Schmitz (lately
calling himself Kim
Dotcom). Anything _that_ guy touches is bad by definition. In the
german hacker scene, he made a name for himself:
Over at cryptome.org, there are some telling pictures. Heavens, that
guy is er, portly. The photos of his digs makes you wonder how he
ever made it from one end of the house to the other. Golf cart?
Sedan chair?
--Chuck
7:32 a.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
He's making news behind bars here in New Zealand. There are questions
being raise by opposition groups as to why the New Zealand government ever
granted him residency here! Seems he got in under an "investors" scheme
and had a pretty fat wallet.
Terry (Tez)
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 24 Jan 2012 at 3:23, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Well, Megaupload was run by Kim Schmitz (lately
calling himself Kim
Dotcom). Anything _that_ guy touches is bad by definition. In the
german hacker scene, he made a name for himself:
Over at cryptome.org, there are some telling pictures. Heavens, that
guy is er, portly. The photos of his digs makes you wonder how he
ever made it from one end of the house to the other. Golf cart?
Sedan chair?
--Chuck
23 Jan
23 Jan
8:23 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
On 01/23/2012 02:36 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Very funny. I'm just saying what's so. There's a war on P2P
going on and I don't want myself or anyone else to get caught in the
middle of it.
Indeed, there's a war on any and all file transfers that don't
involve HTML and JPEG files going between web servers and web browsers.
Sorry, Alexandre, but I don't do
torrents--they've gotten a very bad
reputation here in the USA for a means of pirating intellectual
property. If you could upload this to one of the file-sharing
sites, that would be better for a lot of people.
So have computers. Better quit using those too. I suspect that there are members of this list with
personal websites
who probably would be happy to host the content.
I can host it. Alexandre?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA
8:59 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
I suspect that
there are members of this list with personal websites
who probably would be happy to host the content.
I can host it. Alexandre?
11:02 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
Thank you, it was very interesting looking through the schematics.
The motherboard appears to be much longer than the usual 5150-type
board. Is that really the case?
--Chuck
11:55 p.m.
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Thank you, it was very interesting looking through the
schematics.
The motherboard appears to be much longer than the usual 5150-type
board. Is that really the case?
No. AFAIK it was just a ipsis-literis clone of the PC XT/Turbo
mainboards of the time. The small "laptop" seems to be an entirely brazilian
creation. I'm not that sure.
11:30 p.m.
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On 23 Jan 2012 at 18:59, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
You may also want to pass it on to one of my favorite membership
sites for this sort of thing:
http://www.clubdediagramas.com/
Cheers,
Chuck
I suspect that there are members of this list with
personal
websites who probably would be happy to host the content.
I can host it.
Alexandre? 
10:28 p.m.
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-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: 23 January 2012 20:24
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian
computers
On 01/23/2012 02:36 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Very funny. I'm just saying what's so. There's a war on P2P
going on and I don't want myself or anyone else to get caught in the
middle of it.
Indeed, there's a war on any and all file transfers that don't
involve HTML and JPEG files going between web servers and web
browsers.
Oddly, as a search on KSERVICE will show, in the UK both the BBC and BSkyB
use P2P to "distribute" time limited copies on the "watch again"
service so
they can save bandwidth on their own servers.
>> Sorry, Alexandre, but I don't do
torrents--they've gotten
a very bad
reputation here in the USA for a means of pirating
intellectual
property. If you could upload this to one of the file-sharing
sites, that would be better for a lot of people.
So have computers. Better quit using those too. I suspect that there are members of this list
with personal websites
who probably would be happy to host the content.
I can host it. Alexandre?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA
6:58 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
On Jan 23, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Sorry, Alexandre, but I don't do
torrents--they've gotten a very bad
reputation here in the USA for a means of pirating intellectual
property. If you could upload this to one of the file-sharing sites,
that would be better for a lot of people.
Which is a shame, because it's otherwise a perfectly legitimate means of distributing
large files (e.g. Linux distributions). I see the same organizations badmouthing
BitTorrent as were badmouthing CD burners in the '90s; what I found especially ironic
about that situation was that Sony was one of the major record labels pushing for things
like excise taxes to counteract piracy on writeable CDs, while they themselves were
producing burners and discs.
There's nothing intrinsically wrong with BitTorrent, reputation or not. Does your
organization flag all torrent connections as illegal downloads? I know a number of
universities that do. It's a problem, because a number of legitimate sources
(Blizzard's game update mechanism comes to mind) use it as an underlying protocol and
get unfairly flagged as a result.
- Dave
7:39 p.m.
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On 01/23/2012 07:58 PM, David Riley wrote:
On Jan 23, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
To bad the tech gets to carry the cross here. I know of one big
government funded installation that uses bittorrent to distribute a
GNU/Linux system image to compute nodes in a cluster simply because
there wasn't enough bandwidth to do normal net boot of several hundred
nodes simultaneously in a reasonable amount of time.
I hope they can continue to do so without feds busting in the door...
/Pontus.
(Sorry for making this political)
Sorry, Alexandre, but I don't do
torrents--they've gotten a very bad
reputation here in the USA for a means of pirating intellectual
property. If you could upload this to one of the file-sharing sites,
that would be better for a lot of people.
Which is a shame, because it's
otherwise a perfectly legitimate means of distributing large files (e.g. Linux
distributions). I see the same organizations badmouthing BitTorrent as were badmouthing
CD burners in the '90s; what I found especially ironic about that situation was that
Sony was one of the major record labels pushing for things like excise taxes to counteract
piracy on writeable CDs, while they themselves were producing burners and discs.
There's nothing intrinsically wrong with BitTorrent, reputation or not. Does your
organization flag all torrent connections as illegal downloads? I know a number of
universities that do. It's a problem, because a number of legitimate sources
(Blizzard's game update mechanism comes to mind) use it as an underlying protocol and
get unfairly flagged as a result.
- Dave
8:04 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
Sorry, Alexandre, but I don't do
torrents--they've gotten a very bad
reputation here in the USA for a means of pirating intellectual
property. If you could upload this to one of the file-sharing sites,
that would be better for a lot of people.
<rant mode ON>
Guns don't kill people. Eletricity don't kill people. Cars don't kill
people. Torrent does not pirate software by itself. Torrent is just a (very
smart) way of distribuiting something. I can't see torrent as a pirate-only
medium.
<rant mode OFF>
Here you have:
http://www.4shared.com/office/k6Aky7-L/Esquemario_Informatica_CCE.html
:o)
8:33 p.m.
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On 23 Jan 2012 at 18:04, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
Guns don't kill people. Eletricity don't
kill people. Cars don't
kill
people. Torrent does not pirate software by itself. Torrent is just a
(very smart) way of distribuiting something. I can't see torrent as a
pirate-only medium.
Thank you--I'm not against Bittorrent; I used to use it myself. But
it has a bullseye drawn on it by the government and I'd rather stay
out of the line of fire.
Similarly, there was nothing intrinsically wrong with Megaupload.
That didn't prevent authorities from taking action against it.
The cyber-world in general is not as friendly as it used to be.
--Chuck
24 Jan
24 Jan
2:32 a.m.
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On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:33:14PM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 23 Jan 2012 at 18:04, Alexandre Souza - Listas
wrote:
*LOL*
As written before: Kim Schmitz involved. That already is a _big_ red
flag yelling "stay the hell away". I would be _very_ surprised if Megaupload
didn't keep detailed logs ... that [obscenity deleted] has a history of
serving as a well paid judas goat.
Guns don't kill people. Eletricity
don't kill people. Cars don't
kill
people. Torrent does not pirate software by itself. Torrent is just a
(very smart) way of distribuiting something. I can't see torrent as a
pirate-only medium.
Thank you--I'm not against Bittorrent; I used to use it myself. But
it has a bullseye drawn on it by the government and I'd rather stay
out of the line of fire.
Similarly, there was nothing intrinsically wrong with Megaupload. That didn't prevent authorities from taking action
against it.
Honestly, seeing _that_ [obscenity deleted] taken down is a good thing to
happen. I hope they take him out if circulation for a while this time.
The cyber-world in general is not as friendly as it
used to be.
And there are way more con men around than before.
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
3:04 a.m.
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On Jan 23, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:33:14PM -0800, Chuck Guzis
wrote:
Very interesting to know. That's certainly not making the news rounds on this side of
the pond, and he's not a very well-known character to me (though I don't travel in
the shady circles I once did, I guess).
- Dave
Similarly, there was nothing intrinsically wrong with Megaupload.
*LOL*
As written before: Kim Schmitz involved. That already is a _big_ red
flag yelling "stay the hell away". I would be _very_ surprised if Megaupload
didn't keep detailed logs ... that [obscenity deleted] has a history of
serving as a well paid judas goat. 
2:13 p.m.
New subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
On 1/23/2012 8:26 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/6m6abl8
>
> This is a manual with all computers produced by CCE in Brazil.
> There are
> apple clones, PC-XT clones and the MC-1000, an orphan computer that no
> one is able to perfectly source its origins
>
> Please seed.
Here I put the file to my website...
http://conus.info/stuff/cctalk/Esquemario%20Informatica%20CCE.pdf
28 Jan
28 Jan
12:25 a.m.
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Seeding ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexandre Souza - Listas" <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 4:40 PM
Subject: Brazilian curiosity: Schematic of many brazilian computers
http://tinyurl.com/6m6abl8
This is a manual with all computers produced by CCE in Brazil. There
are apple clones, PC-XT clones and the MC-1000, an orphan computer that no
one is able to perfectly source its origins
Please seed.
---
Enviado do meu Motorola PT550
Meu site: http://www.tabalabs.com.br
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