24 Jan
2012
24 Jan
'12
12:30 a.m.
So a brief truck trip to Maryland netted some really great stuff from
an old friend. This is stuff I'd seen before, but he surprised me by
saying "hey, bring a truck!" ...so I did, and here's what I came home
with:
IBM 029 keypunch station, complete and in excellent condition
DECsystem-2020 (yes, another one!)
DEC RM03 14" disk drive (aka CDC 9762), but sadly no disk packs
DEC TU45 magtape drive, in pieces but likely repairable
DEC LA120 printing terminal, dirty but in good shape otherwise
VAX 8350 w/Unibus, Unibus SCSI, BI-bus SCSI, and CIBCI
A few other DEC items, RL02, RX02, small PDP-11/23 system
A commercial deli slicer (for my chef fiancee')
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA
24 Jan
24 Jan
12:56 a.m.
Congratulations, Dave, great score. A lot of nice Items to play with
Regards,
Wolfgang
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Operating System Collector
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Homepage: www.eichberger.org
2012/1/24 Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
So a brief truck trip to Maryland netted some really great stuff from an
old friend. This is stuff I'd seen before, but he surprised me by saying
"hey, bring a truck!" ...so I did, and here's what I came home with:
IBM 029 keypunch station, complete and in excellent condition
DECsystem-2020 (yes, another one!)
DEC RM03 14" disk drive (aka CDC 9762), but sadly no disk packs
DEC TU45 magtape drive, in pieces but likely repairable
DEC LA120 printing terminal, dirty but in good shape otherwise
VAX 8350 w/Unibus, Unibus SCSI, BI-bus SCSI, and CIBCI
A few other DEC items, RL02, RX02, small PDP-11/23 system
A commercial deli slicer (for my chef fiancee')
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
1:28 a.m.
I still wonder about the size of your barn...eh...house :oO
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Subject: new haul, serious goodies
So a brief truck trip to Maryland netted some really great stuff from an
old friend. This is stuff I'd seen before, but he surprised me by saying
"hey, bring a truck!" ...so I did, and here's what I came home with:
IBM 029 keypunch station, complete and in excellent condition
DECsystem-2020 (yes, another one!)
DEC RM03 14" disk drive (aka CDC 9762), but sadly no disk packs
DEC TU45 magtape drive, in pieces but likely repairable
DEC LA120 printing terminal, dirty but in good shape otherwise
VAX 8350 w/Unibus, Unibus SCSI, BI-bus SCSI, and CIBCI
A few other DEC items, RL02, RX02, small PDP-11/23 system
A commercial deli slicer (for my chef fiancee')
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA
2:44 p.m.
On 01/24/2012 04:28 AM, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
I still wonder about the size of your
barn...eh...house :oO
Well if you mean by "house" you mean "place where I sleep",
that's
currently a 400 square foot (no typo there) apartment. Right around the
corner from that, though, is where my waking hours are spent, and that's
a 14,000 square foot (no typo there either) building with three-phase power.
One nice side effect of the demise of American small business and
American manufacturing is the unbelievably cheap commercial property
that anyone can just walk up and buy.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
3:46 p.m.
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On 01/24/2012 04:28 AM, Alexandre Souza - Listas
wrote:
I would think maintaining a 14K SQFT commercial building would get pricey
after a while especially if it is old.
I still wonder about the size of your
barn...eh...house :oO
Well if you mean by "house" you mean "place where I sleep",
that's
currently a 400 square foot (no typo there) apartment. Right around the
corner from that, though, is where my waking hours are spent, and that's a
14,000 square foot (no typo there either) building with three-phase power.
One nice side effect of the demise of American small business and
American manufacturing is the unbelievably cheap commercial property that
anyone can just walk up and buy.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA
4:47 p.m.
On Jan 24, 2012, at 6:46 PM, "TeoZ" <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote:
I would think maintaining a 14K SQFT commercial
building would get pricey after a while especially if it is old.
Not terribly, if properly researched and chosen. It's just like anything else in
that regard, just a whole lot better built...which only works in your favor.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
4:37 p.m.
On Jan 24, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/24/2012 04:28 AM, Alexandre Souza - Listas
wrote:
Especially that close to Pittsburgh, I would imagine so! I lived in Morgantown briefly
(not recommended), and there was so much empty space and abandoned factories/warehouses
out that way. Interesting, and sad in a lot of ways, but certainly an opportunity. :-)
- Dave
I still wonder about the size of your
barn...eh...house :oO
Well if you mean by "house" you mean "place where I sleep",
that's currently a 400 square foot (no typo there) apartment. Right around the corner
from that, though, is where my waking hours are spent, and that's a 14,000 square foot
(no typo there either) building with three-phase power.
One nice side effect of the demise of American small business and American manufacturing
is the unbelievably cheap commercial property that anyone can just walk up and buy.
26 Jan
26 Jan
11:37 p.m.
On 01/24/2012 07:37 PM, David Riley wrote:
Ugh, Morgantown. I have a little bit of experience with that town.
Better than much of WV, but still not much fun.
But yes, while Pittsburgh is very much an "up and coming" town with
TONS AND TONS of high tech, it is still in the early years of its
upswing, so there are lots of buildings available. Some of them are
REALLY nice. We looked at an awesome church, complete with a gigantic
pipe organ still installed, that we could've had for about $20K, but it
would've needed about $80K of immediate work to be able to do anything
with it.
Then there was this huge granite former bank building. Gorgeous. It
was full of water, unfortunately, and the former bank had removed the
vault. (which I just don't get)
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
One nice side
effect of the demise of American small business and
American manufacturing is the unbelievably cheap commercial
property that anyone can just walk up and buy.
Especially that close to Pittsburgh, I would imagine so! I lived in
Morgantown briefly (not recommended), and there was so much empty
space and abandoned factories/warehouses out that way. Interesting,
and sad in a lot of ways, but certainly an opportunity. :-)
27 Jan
27 Jan
6:19 a.m.
REALLY nice. We looked at an awesome church, complete
with a gigantic
pipe organ still installed, that we could've had for about $20K, but it
would've needed about $80K of immediate work to be able to do anything
with it.
Hmmm...Playing Bach into a pipe dream...eh...organ, at lunch
time...dreams :D
12:13 p.m.
REALLY nice.
We looked at an awesome church, complete with a gigantic
pipe organ still installed, that we could've had for about $20K, but it
would've needed about $80K of immediate work to be able to do anything
with it.
Hmmm...Playing Bach into a pipe dream...eh...organ, at lunch
time...dreams :D
12:26 p.m.
On 01/27/2012 03:13 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Build a MIDI interface for it!
That was going to happen if we got that building.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA
REALLY nice. We looked at an awesome church, complete
with a gigantic
pipe organ still installed, that we could've had for about $20K, but it
would've needed about $80K of immediate work to be able to do anything
with it.
Hmmm...Playing Bach into a pipe dream...eh...organ, at lunch
time...dreams :D
1:15 p.m.
On Jan 27, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
Why? The fun is playing on itself! :D
I'll agree. I have a working Wurlitzer 200 and one of the new Rhodes from 2008, and
half the fun is playing on (and, to an extent, maintaining) the real thing. They built a
version of the new Rhodes with a MIDI output, which just... I don't know. Seems dirty
to me.
- Dave
Hmmm...Playing Bach into a pipe dream...eh...organ,
at lunch
time...dreams :D
Build a MIDI interface for it! 
28 Jan
28 Jan
12:22 a.m.
On 1/27/12, David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 27, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Alexandre Souza - Listas
wrote:
Why? The fun is playing on itself! :D
I'll agree. I have a working Wurlitzer 200 and one of the new Rhodes from
2008, and half the fun is playing on (and, to an extent, maintaining) the
real thing. They built a version of the new Rhodes with a MIDI output,
which just... I don't know. Seems dirty to me.
- Dave
Hmmm...Playing Bach into a pipe dream...eh...organ,
at lunch
time...dreams :D
Build a MIDI interface for it!
12:36 a.m.
opppss- sorry about the blank msg.
I thinh I still have a few dozen FS kits including (a bit foggy here)
TU45, TU 77, 78
3 or 4 11/780 kits RM02/03 RP06 and a perch testerand a lot of parts
including heads. Also LA36's and 120's and parts
I'm still looking for H960, TU10,VT05, maybe an LP01, LA180 and a few
other things.
Thanks, Paul
On 1/28/12, Paul Anderson <useddec at gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/27/12, David Riley <fraveydank at
gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 27, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Alexandre Souza -
Listas wrote:
I'll agree. I have a working Wurlitzer 200 and one of the new Rhodes
from
2008, and half the fun is playing on (and, to an extent, maintaining) the
real thing. They built a version of the new Rhodes with a MIDI output,
which just... I don't know. Seems dirty to me.
- Dave
>
Hmmm...Playing Bach into a pipe dream...eh...organ, at lunch
> time...dreams :D
Build a MIDI interface for it!
Why? The fun is playing on itself! :D 
24 Jan
24 Jan
2:32 a.m.
Very nice find!
So a brief truck trip to Maryland netted some really great stuff from
an old friend. This is stuff I'd seen before, but he surprised me by
saying "hey, bring a truck!" ...so I did, and here's what I came home
with:
IBM 029 keypunch station, complete and in excellent condition
DECsystem-2020 (yes, another one!)
DEC RM03 14" disk drive (aka CDC 9762), but sadly no disk packs
DEC TU45 magtape drive, in pieces but likely repairable
DEC LA120 printing terminal, dirty but in good shape otherwise
VAX 8350 w/Unibus, Unibus SCSI, BI-bus SCSI, and CIBCI
A few other DEC items, RL02, RX02, small PDP-11/23 system
A commercial deli slicer (for my chef fiancee')
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
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From: "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:30 AM
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Subject: new haul, serious goodies
So a brief truck trip to Maryland netted some really great stuff from an
old friend. This is stuff I'd seen before, but he surprised me by saying
"hey, bring a truck!" ...so I did, and here's what I came home with:
IBM 029 keypunch station, complete and in excellent condition
DECsystem-2020 (yes, another one!)
DEC RM03 14" disk drive (aka CDC 9762), but sadly no disk packs
DEC TU45 magtape drive, in pieces but likely repairable
DEC LA120 printing terminal, dirty but in good shape otherwise
VAX 8350 w/Unibus, Unibus SCSI, BI-bus SCSI, and CIBCI
A few other DEC items, RL02, RX02, small PDP-11/23 system
A commercial deli slicer (for my chef fiancee')
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA
Cool! Good Thing it was not in my neighborhood ... Hauling all that stuff
to
the house would certainly give problems (not only expressed in lack of
space).
But very nice stuff indeed. If you ever decide to ditch the TU45, I would be
glad
with two indicators (buttons?) on the top left side on the front.
greetz,
- Henk
1:21 p.m.
On 01/24/2012 12:38 PM, Henk Gooijen wrote:
Cool! Good Thing it was not in my neighborhood ...
Hauling all that
stuff to
the house would certainly give problems (not only expressed in lack of
space).
But very nice stuff indeed. If you ever decide to ditch the TU45, I
would be glad
with two indicators (buttons?) on the top left side on the front.
Ohhh no, sorry, TU45s are really scarce now. I've gotta try to get
this one working. It's complete, just in pieces and in very poor condition.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA
2:15 p.m.
From: Dave McGuire
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 1:22 PM
On 01/24/2012 12:38 PM, Henk Gooijen wrote:
> If you ever decide to ditch the TU45, I would be
glad with two
> indicators (buttons?) on the top left side on the front.
Ohhh no, sorry, TU45s are really scarce now. I've
gotta try to get
this one working. It's complete, just in pieces and in very poor
condition.
Seriously unreliable beasts, in the experience of many DEC-20 shops.
Old DEC FS joke: "Why don't TU45s make good boat anchors?"
.
.
.
V
"Because they float intermittently!"
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
mailto:RichA at vulcan.com
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
11:45 a.m.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
?So a brief truck trip to Maryland netted some really great stuff from an
old friend. ?This is stuff I'd seen before, but he surprised me by saying
"hey, bring a truck!" ?...so I did, and here's what I came home with:
?IBM 029 keypunch station, complete and in excellent condition
?DECsystem-2020 (yes, another one!)
?DEC RM03 14" disk drive (aka CDC 9762), but sadly no disk packs
?DEC TU45 magtape drive, in pieces but likely repairable
?DEC LA120 printing terminal, dirty but in good shape otherwise
?VAX 8350 w/Unibus, Unibus SCSI, BI-bus SCSI, and CIBCI
?A few other DEC items, RL02, RX02, small PDP-11/23 system
Very nice. More reason for me to come out and visit.
My 8300 still has a broken Unibus (UET module problems, I think), and
I have neither Unibus nor BI SCSI for it, just a KDB50. I'd also love
the chance to see a 36-bit machine up close again - been too many
years since I had my hand on that kind of iron.
Cheers,
-ethan
1:34 p.m.
you're right, Ethan. Playing with a real 36bit Machine would be a good
pleasure. Personally, I never had the chance to work on one - except
virtual ones. It'd be great to see one in action - live, but as far as I
found out nothing survived here in Austria (correct me if I am wrong).
Regards,
Wolfgang
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Operating System Collector
Blog: 5ewl.blogspot.com
Homepage: www.eichberger.org
2012/1/24 Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Dave McGuire
<mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
So a brief truck trip to Maryland netted some really great stuff from an
old friend. This is stuff I'd seen before, but he surprised me by saying
"hey, bring a truck!" ...so I did, and here's what I came home with:
IBM 029 keypunch station, complete and in excellent condition
DECsystem-2020 (yes, another one!)
DEC RM03 14" disk drive (aka CDC 9762), but sadly no disk packs
DEC TU45 magtape drive, in pieces but likely repairable
DEC LA120 printing terminal, dirty but in good shape otherwise
VAX 8350 w/Unibus, Unibus SCSI, BI-bus SCSI, and CIBCI
A few other DEC items, RL02, RX02, small PDP-11/23 system
Very nice. More reason for me to come out and visit.
My 8300 still has a broken Unibus (UET module problems, I think), and
I have neither Unibus nor BI SCSI for it, just a KDB50. I'd also love
the chance to see a 36-bit machine up close again - been too many
years since I had my hand on that kind of iron.
Cheers,
-ethan
3:01 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Wolfgang Eichberger <oe5ewl at gmail.com> wrote:
you're right, Ethan. Playing with a real 36bit
Machine would be a good
pleasure. Personally, I never had the chance to work on one - except
virtual ones. It'd be great to see one in action - live, but as far as I
found out nothing survived here in Austria (correct me if I am wrong).
I used them as a CompuServe service (CIS) user in the 1980s, watched
one (CompuServe's CIVIC node) through the glass at our local science
museum (COSI) where I was a high-school volunteer, hung out with some
of the DEC-20 crowd while attending Ohio State, and finally _at_
CompuServe, in 1994-1995 as a contractor, then 2002-2003 as an
employee, used them for work.
Never in all that time did I get closer than the other side of the
glass to the hardware. Plenty of time on 12-32 bit DEC gear, but
never 36.
-ethan
2:34 p.m.
On 01/24/2012 02:45 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Dave
McGuire<mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Thank you! You are always welcome here. Come out and hack on some
stuff!
So a brief truck trip to Maryland netted some really great stuff from an
old friend. This is stuff I'd seen before, but he surprised me by saying
"hey, bring a truck!" ...so I did, and here's what I came home with:
IBM 029 keypunch station, complete and in excellent condition
DECsystem-2020 (yes, another one!)
DEC RM03 14" disk drive (aka CDC 9762), but sadly no disk packs
DEC TU45 magtape drive, in pieces but likely repairable
DEC LA120 printing terminal, dirty but in good shape otherwise
VAX 8350 w/Unibus, Unibus SCSI, BI-bus SCSI, and CIBCI
A few other DEC items, RL02, RX02, small PDP-11/23 system
Very nice. More reason for me to come out and visit. My 8300 still has a broken Unibus (UET module
problems, I think), and
I have neither Unibus nor BI SCSI for it, just a KDB50. I'd also love
the chance to see a 36-bit machine up close again - been too many
years since I had my hand on that kind of iron.
Maybe we can get one running! I have this RM03 drive; not sure of
its operational condition. If I can find a pack or two, maybe I can
talk Rich Alderson or Mike Thompson into writing me a bootable pack and
we can do some tasty TOPS-20 goodness.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA
3:27 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/24/2012 02:45 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I will hopefully be able to carve out some time this year!
Very nice. ?More reason for me to come out and
visit.
?Thank you! ?You are always welcome here. ?Come out and hack on some stuff! ?Maybe we can get one running! ?I have this RM03
drive; not sure of its
operational condition. ?If I can find a pack or two, maybe I can talk Rich
Alderson or Mike Thompson into writing me a bootable pack and we can do some
tasty TOPS-20 goodness.
I have some experience with repair on RM03s, but no parts. When
Software Results closed (nearly 20 years ago), in addition to having
no room for the TU78 or the 8530 (lack of suitable power in a
residential area helped steer that decision), there was no room for
the RK07s nor the RM03s. (but I did rescue the 11/750, the 8300,
several PDP-11s, and lots, lots more).
If you haven't gotten it spinning by then, I can certainly see about
casting an eye on your RM03.
-ethan
26 Jan
26 Jan
11:34 p.m.
On 01/24/2012 06:27 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I will hopefully be able to carve out some time this year!
That would be great!
Oh man. :-( Well at least you got some goodies out of there.
Very nice. More reason for me to come out and visit.
Thank you! You are always welcome here. Come out and hack on some stuff! Maybe we can
get one running! I have this RM03 drive; not sure of its
operational condition. If I can find a pack or two, maybe I can talk Rich
Alderson or Mike Thompson into writing me a bootable pack and we can do some
tasty TOPS-20 goodness.
I have some experience with repair on RM03s, but no parts. When
Software Results closed (nearly 20 years ago), in addition to having
no room for the TU78 or the 8530 (lack of suitable power in a
residential area helped steer that decision), there was no room for
the RK07s nor the RM03s. (but I did rescue the 11/750, the 8300,
several PDP-11s, and lots, lots more). If you haven't gotten it spinning by then, I can
certainly see about
casting an eye on your RM03.
I'd LOVE some help with it. It's pretty grimy; it needs a lot of
cleaning before anything else. I've used lots of RM03s (and
non-DECified CDC 9762s) but have never really had to repair one.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA
27 Jan
27 Jan
8:29 a.m.
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I was sad to leave the RK07s behind - very reliable, very repairable,
and we had dozens of packs (with 4.0BSD, 4.1BSD, System V, VMS...).
Two of them gave a respectable amount of storage to a Unibus system.
When I was fiddling with 2.9BSD on an 11/24 and only had RL02s, I
_really_ wished I'd had those RK07s. Would have made a full install
and kernel rebuild painless. These days, with the MSCP patches to
2.9BSD, I might try a UDA50 and an RA70 (which I have), but that
wasn't an option then.
I've been in the guts of 9762s and RM02s both (same as RM03 but slower
spindle motor to avoid swamping RH11 transfer rates). I haven't done
head alignment, but I've done electronics repairs.
If you are looking for a 9766, I might be able to help there, too. It
didn't come with a pack, so I've been unable to do anything with it.
-ethan
When
Software Results closed (nearly 20 years ago), in addition to having
no room for the TU78 or the 8530 (lack of suitable power in a
residential area helped steer that decision), there was no room for
the RK07s nor the RM03s. ?(but I did rescue the 11/750, the 8300,
several PDP-11s, and lots, lots more).
?Oh man. :-( ?Well at least you got some goodies out of there. If you
haven't gotten it spinning by then, I can certainly see about
casting an eye on your RM03.
?I'd LOVE some help with it. ?It's pretty grimy; it needs a lot of cleaning
before anything else. ?I've used lots of RM03s (and non-DECified CDC 9762s)
but have never really had to repair one.
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