In article <15DD6E37-9A01-434B-9ED6-0A2B7B70BFAD at earthlink.net>, mike ingram <ingrammp at earthlink.net> writes: I had an interesting time going down to Tucson to pick these up. Much thanks to Mike Ingram for making them available for me, along with 5 Octanes, for free. The "interesting" part of my trip was that on the way back to SLC from Tucson, my engine started acting up and it took the mechanics a while to figure it out so that I had to stay over until Monday morning. I just got everything unpacked at home and these machines will make a nice addition to my computer graphics museum :-). -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>