12 May
2008
12 May
'08
10:32 a.m.
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:04:15 -0500
From: Jim Leonard
What I would love to test is Central Point Backup (PC
Backup?) prior to
version 6, which is the only version I had available to test. Versions
prior to 6 are supposed to contain code that supports the Option Board I
have in my 5160 for additional speed -- however, I'm not sure how much
speedup I could expect, since some of the faster programs in the
shootout must have been operating at a 1:1 intereave (I was writing all
40 tracks both sides in less than 30 seconds per disk; can it get any
faster than that?).
I'll dig out the old FastBack and see if I've got an older CP backup--
I may well have.
If you're formatting then writing, then an OB might be faster, but
probably not when simply writing to a formatted diskette, assuming
that the sector layout is skewed appropriately to allow for seek and
head settling times.
In the bad old days of WD 17xx diskette controllers, we had a copy
program that formatted and wrote backup data in one pass, as long as
the data didn't have any of the "special" bytes that the WD chip
interprets differently during a format operation.
Cheers,
Chuck
12 May
12 May
6:56 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Ahh yes, I was beating my head against the wall trying to remember
that name. I used FastBack all the time when I was writing database
apps under DOS. We used it around the office to move files around, and
between work and home. It's actually a really nice package as I recall.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Date: Mon, 12
May 2008 11:04:15 -0500
From: Jim Leonard
What I would love to test is Central Point Backup
(PC Backup?) prior to
version 6, which is the only version I had available to test. Versions
prior to 6 are supposed to contain code that supports the Option Board I
have in my 5160 for additional speed -- however, I'm not sure how much
speedup I could expect, since some of the faster programs in the
shootout must have been operating at a 1:1 intereave (I was writing all
40 tracks both sides in less than 30 seconds per disk; can it get any
faster than that?).
I'll dig out the old FastBack and see if I've got an older CP backup--
I may well have. 
8:19 p.m.
You may also want to check out Teledisk, which is what I used to use.
And it was nice in that it would only copy tracks/sectors that actually had data, and did
compression.
so it was fast and created small images.
There's another one that escapes me at the moment that did much the same thing, and
even support 2.88mb floppies (does anyone still have these?)
Dan.
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:56:46 -0400
From: mcguire at neurotica.com
To:
CC:
Subject: Re: DOS/Floppy backup program benchmarks
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Ahh yes, I was beating my head against the wall trying to remember
that name. I used FastBack all the time when I was writing database
apps under DOS. We used it around the office to move files around, and
between work and home. It's actually a really nice package as I recall.
-Dave
--
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Port Charlotte, FL
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Date:
Mon, 12 May 2008 11:04:15 -0500
From: Jim Leonard
What I would love to test is Central Point Backup
(PC Backup?) prior to
version 6, which is the only version I had available to test. Versions
prior to 6 are supposed to contain code that supports the Option Board I
have in my 5160 for additional speed -- however, I'm not sure how much
speedup I could expect, since some of the faster programs in the
shootout must have been operating at a 1:1 intereave (I was writing all
40 tracks both sides in less than 30 seconds per disk; can it get any
faster than that?).
I'll dig out the old FastBack and see if I've got an older CP backup--
I may well have.
18 May
18 May
8:49 a.m.
New subject: anyone scans/PDFs of the DEC (VMS) "grey wall" ?
I was wondering if anyone had scans or PDF's of the DEC VMS "grey wall" ?
ie: all the VMS big binders
Do such documents exist?
I have a fair number of the big binders, I don't think I have a complete set, but it
is a lot of them.
And if such a set doesn't exist, I wonder if it's legal to make one available,
copyright law and all, with DEC being gone, etc?
if anyone has a set, just a scan or PDF (preferred) that'd be really great!
Dan.
_________________________________________________________________
8:54 a.m.
New subject: anyone scans/PDFs of the DEC (VMS) "grey wall" ?
--- Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
I was wondering if anyone had scans or PDF's of
the
DEC VMS "grey wall" ?
ie: all the VMS big binders
Do such documents exist?
I don't know if they exist, but they would be very,
very useful if they did. I don't have a grey wall, but
I would love to - and PDF's are probably the only way
I'll find one.
Also, PDF's would reduce the physical storage space
somewhat, so you'd have more of a "grey disc" or a
"grey directory".
Paper copies are much easier to work from, but...
So. Anyone have a grey wall and a high speed duplexing
scanner? (And vast expanses of free disk...)
-Ian
9:14 a.m.
New subject: anyone scans/PDFs of the DEC (VMS) "grey wall" ?
Mr Ian Primus wrote:
So. Anyone have a grey wall and a high speed
duplexing
scanner? (And vast expanses of free disk...)
HP apparently have one that's been running since V6.0:
http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc/
If you want earlier then the V5 stuff is available electronically
on the CONOLD CDs, mostly in BookReader format (I expect that
there's a converter/reader kicking around by now).
V4 and earlier will indeed need a scanner.
Antonio
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9:19 a.m.
New subject: anyone scans/PDFs of the DEC (VMS) "grey wall" ?
yeah, I can't stand HTML index type documents, drives me crazy.
and if there's v5 that would be the best one I'd want. not sure what my near-grey
wall has.
so where can I find this CONOLD CD?
Dan.
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From: arcarlini at iee.org
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:14:07 +0100
Subject: RE: anyone scans/PDFs of the DEC (VMS) "grey wall" ?
Mr Ian Primus wrote:
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So. Anyone have a grey wall and a high speed
duplexing
scanner? (And vast expanses of free disk...)
HP apparently have one that's been running since V6.0:
http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc/
If you want earlier then the V5 stuff is available electronically
on the CONOLD CDs, mostly in BookReader format (I expect that
there's a converter/reader kicking around by now).
V4 and earlier will indeed need a scanner.
Antonio
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
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17/05/2008 18:26
9:28 a.m.
New subject: anyone scans/PDFs of the DEC (VMS) "grey wall" ?
At 8:54 AM -0700 5/18/08, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
--- Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com>
wrote:
If you are looking for one, just keep your eye out. It took a few
months, but thanks to another list member I was able to get one for
the CBHRC a few months back (big surprise the Computer History
section is highly DEC oriented). Keep in mind if you get one the big
expense will be shipping. It is probably easier to get a V5, or even
V4 set than V6, V7, or V8 hard-copy doc's. I was able to get a V6
set several years ago off eBay for little more than the cost of
shipping (at some point it will be donated to CBHRC). Back in the
V7.2 days I bought a set of the base doc's from Compaq (at that time
around 2 feet of doc's). Since then I've made due with bookreader
and HTML doc's (I prefer HTML but some of the tools I use only have
electronic doc's in bookreader format). I keep both formats on my
private VMS webserver, and I can read them that way. When did DEC
start distributing doc's in bookreader format? I'm guessing it was
with either V5 or V6, but I don't have any OS CD sets that old other
than the V1 Hobbyist CD. I'm pretty sure CD's exist for V5.5-2, but
all I have for original media are tapes.
I suspect most people simply go to the HP website and read the doc's
online, or off the doc CD's included as part of the distributions. I
suspect very few of us are running anything older than V7.2. I have
one 5.5-2 system that runs 24x7 except when it's too hot, it is a
VAXstation 4000/vlc that acts as my DECnet router. My main VMS
system is an XP1000/667 running V8.3.
Now what I need is a set of V8.3 Documentation CD's (the App and OS
CD's would be nice as well). I also wouldn't mind a set of the V5.5
doc's in bookreader format.
Zane
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| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
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I was wondering if anyone had scans or PDF's
of the
DEC VMS "grey wall" ?
ie: all the VMS big binders
Do such documents exist?
I don't know if they exist, but they would be very,
very useful if they did. I don't have a grey wall, but
I would love to - and PDF's are probably the only way
I'll find one.
9:54 a.m.
New subject: anyone scans/PDFs of the DEC (VMS) "grey wall" ?
I have a near-complete binder set, I think it's v5.3, I'll have to check.
as for the CD, for personal use, a copy would do (for v5), that's what I'd be
looking for, guess it's bookreader format.
I'd work out a method to convert it and make PDF's.
I only have one working vaxstation right now, and could use another one as a backup.
----------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:28:34 -0700
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
From: healyzh at aracnet.com
Subject: Re: anyone scans/PDFs of the DEC (VMS) "grey wall" ?
At 8:54 AM -0700 5/18/08, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
_________________________________________________________________
Try Chicktionary, a game that tests how many words you can form from the letters given.
Find this and more puzzles at Live Search Games!
http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207
--- Dan Gahlinger wrote:
If you are looking for one, just keep your eye out. It took a few
months, but thanks to another list member I was able to get one for
the CBHRC a few months back (big surprise the Computer History
section is highly DEC oriented). Keep in mind if you get one the big
expense will be shipping. It is probably easier to get a V5, or even
V4 set than V6, V7, or V8 hard-copy doc's. I was able to get a V6
set several years ago off eBay for little more than the cost of
shipping (at some point it will be donated to CBHRC). Back in the
V7.2 days I bought a set of the base doc's from Compaq (at that time
around 2 feet of doc's). Since then I've made due with bookreader
and HTML doc's (I prefer HTML but some of the tools I use only have
electronic doc's in bookreader format). I keep both formats on my
private VMS webserver, and I can read them that way. When did DEC
start distributing doc's in bookreader format? I'm guessing it was
with either V5 or V6, but I don't have any OS CD sets that old other
than the V1 Hobbyist CD. I'm pretty sure CD's exist for V5.5-2, but
all I have for original media are tapes.
I suspect most people simply go to the HP website and read the doc's
online, or off the doc CD's included as part of the distributions. I
suspect very few of us are running anything older than V7.2. I have
one 5.5-2 system that runs 24x7 except when it's too hot, it is a
VAXstation 4000/vlc that acts as my DECnet router. My main VMS
system is an XP1000/667 running V8.3.
Now what I need is a set of V8.3 Documentation CD's (the App and OS
CD's would be nice as well). I also wouldn't mind a set of the V5.5
doc's in bookreader format.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | I was wondering if anyone had scans or PDF's
of the
DEC VMS "grey wall" ?
ie: all the VMS big binders
Do such documents exist?
I don't know if they exist, but they would be very,
very useful if they did. I don't have a grey wall, but
I would love to - and PDF's are probably the only way
I'll find one. 
11:17 a.m.
New subject: anyone scans/PDFs of the DEC (VMS) "grey wall" ?
In article <BAY104-W12B4C816442B9A0D3D3D6DC9CA0 at phx.gbl>,
Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> writes:
I was wondering if anyone had scans or PDF's of
the DEC VMS "grey wall" ?
If there is something specific you're looking for I can check my docs.
I bought a complete set off ebay, although the binders were orange not
grey.
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