14 Mar
2006
14 Mar
'06
12:25 p.m.
I purchased an odd terminal display (no keyboard) from ebay recently
and it arrived today. Its manufactured by Westinghouse Canada and has
3 ports that look like DB25 female style and 1 DB9 style female port
that says "party line". I'll post more detail later, but oddly enough
this terminal monitor doesn't appear to have a keyboard port, unless
it connects to one of the data ports on the back.
What is the "party line" port and what's it used for? A search of the
cctalk archives didn't yield anything.
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14 Mar
1:52 p.m.
What is the "party line" port and what's
it used for? A search of the
cctalk archives didn't yield anything.
--
could it be a display unit for an information system? (airline arrivals or
similar). That would be display only, and may well display in many
locations. I suspect if that is the case, the party line will be RS422
rather than RS232, as 422 is designed for multi-drop and long distance.
Jim.
2:05 p.m.
New subject: Heathkit H8 (new unbuilt) on ebay
Holy cow! I (and a lot others) would like to have one
of these. But at a starting bid of US$ 1,000? Too
rich for me, but anyway have a look at number:
5880139320
Jim
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2:12 p.m.
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James Gessling wrote:
Holy cow! I (and a lot others) would like to have
one
of these. But at a starting bid of US$ 1,000? Too
rich for me, but anyway have a look at number:
5880139320
Unbuilt vintage Heathkits often go for money. I wouldn't care to spend
the premium just to have the device sitting on my shelf.
Peace... Sridhar
3:07 p.m.
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I'd build it for sure. The journey is the reward.
Jim
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Holy cow! I (and a lot others) would like to
have
one
of these. But at a starting bid of US$ 1,000?
Too
rich for me, but anyway have a look at number:
5880139320
Unbuilt vintage Heathkits often go for money. I
wouldn't care to spend
the premium just to have the device sitting on my
shelf.
Peace... Sridhar
3:44 p.m.
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James Gessling wrote:
I'd build it for sure. The journey is the reward.
The problem is that it makes very little economic sense. I'd rather get
an assembled heathkit for much less money and take it apart and put it
back together again repeatedly until I know it forwards and backwards.
Or maybe I'd see if I could find the prints for one and try to whip one
up from scratch/parts.
Peace... Sridhar
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Holy cow! I (and a lot others) would like to
have
one
of these. But at a starting bid of US$ 1,000?
Too
rich for me, but anyway have a look at number:
5880139320
Unbuilt vintage Heathkits often go for money. I
wouldn't care to spend
the premium just to have the device sitting on my
shelf.
Peace... Sridhar
7:15 p.m.
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James Gessling wrote:
So? Very little that we do with classic computers makes economic sense.
Does it make economic sense for me to spend 6 months working out how to
repair a scientific calculator when I could buy a 'better' one in the
local supermarket for 5 quid? I did just that a few years back (the fact
that the calculator in question was the HP9100 might have something to do
with why I did it ;-))
I'd build it for sure. The journey is the
reward.
The problem is that it makes very little economic sense. I'd rather get an assembled heathkit for much less money and take it
apart and put it
back together again repeatedly until I know it forwards and backwards.
Desoldering components from PCBs is not something I would want to do for
fun. Sure I do it all the time for repair. And then there are wires that
will have been cut to length, component leads that have been trimmed,
etc. I don;t think you _could_ disassemble a Heathkit (or anything like
that) back to the origianl state.
And there;s one other reason. I hate to see machines that are not given
the chance to run. A box of bits doesn't interest me at all. [The same
view was mentioned by a chap called Eric Smith (not the one here :-)) in
a boot on clock repairing. Clock enthusiasts hate the idea of clocks that
aren't given the chance to run]
-tony
7:28 p.m.
New subject: Heathkit H8 (new unbuilt) on ebay
So? Very little that we do with classic computers
makes economic
sense.
Surely given the choice between spending ?1000 on a kit of parts
and ?300 on a built unit you'd go for the built unit? The kit
of parts you would be able to put together blindfolded and with
one hand behind your back; the ready-built unit is much more
likely to have a fault to tax your little grey cells :-)
Paying such a steep premium should surely require a reasonably
good excuse and I cannot imagine that a routine soldering
exercise could possibly justify losing all the other useful
things that could have been done with the cash. There
must be _some_ tools you need :-)
Antonio
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16 Mar
16 Mar
5:59 p.m.
New subject: Heathkit H8 (new unbuilt) on ebay
Surely given the choice between spending =A31000 on a
kit of parts
and =A3300 on a built unit you'd go for the built unit? The kit
of parts you would be able to put together blindfolded and with
one hand behind your back; the ready-built unit is much more
likely to have a fault to tax your little grey cells :-)
There is that... Mind you, what's to say that the kit will work perfectly
first time? There could be defective components in it. But then again,
Heathkit spoilt the fun in many of the computer kits by supplying the CPU
board pre-built. What a cheat!
-tony
14 Mar
14 Mar
5:13 p.m.
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I'd build it for sure. The journey is the reward.
The journey would end for you, me thinks, when they find the shallow
grave...it is the blackest of sins to build a rare unbuilt kit, amongst
the Heathkit religion.
Best uunbuild a kit, then rebuild it. This is not as nutty as is sounds.
William Donzelli
aw288 at osfn.org
3:46 p.m.
New subject: Heathkit H8 (new unbuilt) on ebay
In article <20060314190548.92726.qmail at web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
James Gessling <jgessling at yahoo.com> writes:
Holy cow! I (and a lot others) would like to have
one
of these. But at a starting bid of US$ 1,000? Too
rich for me, but anyway have a look at number:
5880139320
The same seller has an unbuilt Heathkit RT-1 Hero Jr. starting at $2k
:-)
Given that H8s seem to sell for at least $300 in built, used condition
(sometimes without manuals), the initial bid seems reasonable.
However, if I bought it, I don't know if I'd build it as the museum /
collectable value would be destroyed by that, which is mostly what
you're paying for.
I understand the value in building your own computer, but if you want
that value then I'd recommend buying an Apple 1 replica kit or
something like that.
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4:08 p.m.
New subject: Heathkit H8 (new unbuilt) on ebay
On 3/14/2006 at 1:46 PM Richard wrote:
Given that H8s seem to sell for at least $300 in built,
used condition
(sometimes without manuals), the initial bid seems reasonable.
However, if I bought it, I don't know if I'd build it as the museum /
collectable value would be destroyed by that, which is mostly what
you're paying for.
I'm trying to recall how I felt about the H8 when it first came out, and it
seems to me that it cut some corners (e.g., Molex connectors instead of
card edge connectors; was the PCB solder-masked?). And the expansion
interface was limited, particularly when compared to the S-100 systems.
I toyed for awhile with getting an H11, but was put off by the slow speed
for lotsa money and the ambiguous attitude of DEC when it came to software
support.
Are my feelings pretty accurate, or do I have things confused again?
Today, I'd rather build a system from scratch if I wanted the experience.
Good selection of components to choose from, free PCB design software, etc.
makes it a little easier than it was back then.
Cheers,
Chuck
4:14 p.m.
New subject: Heathkit H8 (new unbuilt) on ebay
In article <200603141308230261.0B2CD63B at 10.0.0.252>,
"Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
Are my feelings pretty accurate, or do I have things
confused again?
My rememberances of being a teenager and drooling over ads in BYTE:
- Everything was expensive, but Heathkit stuff was bordering on
affordable for me
- I looked at the H19/Z19, but it had no graphics
- I wanted graphics, so gravitated to S-100 based systems
(Cromemco? SWTPC? Ohio Scientific?) because I wanted a frame
buffer
- Eventually I bought an Amiga 1000
Today, I'd rather build a system from scratch if I
wanted the experience.
Good selection of components to choose from, free PCB design software, etc.
makes it a little easier than it was back then.
Definately.
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New subject: Amiga (was Re: Heathkit H8 (new unbuilt) on ebay)
- Eventually I bought an Amiga 1000
I had wanted an Amiga 1000 (because of the separate keyboard!) but was
talked an Amiga 500 by the salesperson.
At the time bought my system (from a place called "Slipped Disk" in
Michigan) the game Barbarian by Psygnosis had been recently release
and was the demo game for their showroom computer.
Cheers,
Bryan
4:59 p.m.
New subject: Heathkit H8 (new unbuilt) on ebay
--- Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
In article <200603141308230261.0B2CD63B at 10.0.0.252>,
"Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
If you mean the H19 terminal (heathkit vt52 clone)
there was an add on graphics card for it. Didn't buy
one because after spending $500 for the H19 and $500
more for the Softech MicroSystems UCSD p-system for
the PDT 11/150 I had gotten for free (from the DEC
rep) I figured I had spent plenty already.
I'm still amazed my wife let me do it. Maybe it was
the hours I spent in ODT trying to figure out the
bootstrap that warmed her heart...
Jim
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Are my feelings pretty accurate, or do I have
things confused again?
My rememberances of being a teenager and drooling
over ads in BYTE:
- Everything was expensive, but Heathkit stuff
was bordering on
affordable for me
- I looked at the H19/Z19, but it had no
graphics 
9:21 p.m.
New subject: Unbuilt kits... Re: Heathkit H8 (new unbuilt) on ebay
So does that mean I shouldn't finish off this partly
assembled Poly 88 someone gave me?
On 3/14/2006 at 1:46 PM Richard wrote:
Given that H8s seem to sell for at least $300 in
built, used condition
(sometimes without manuals), the initial bid seems
reasonable.
However, if I bought it, I don't know if I'd build
it as the museum /
collectable value would be destroyed by that, which
is mostly what
you're paying for.
7:06 p.m.
New subject: Heathkit H8 (new unbuilt) on ebay
Holy cow! I (and a lot others) would like to have one
of these. But at a starting bid of US$ 1,000? Too
rich for me, but anyway have a look at number:
5880139320
Some of you are probalby glad that I can't afford that (and won't be
bidding on it). Because if I got an unbuilt Heathkit, the first thing I
would do is to ruin it by building it....
-tony
7:30 p.m.
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Tony Duell wrote:
I have some computer kits that are much cheaper and brand-new.
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Holy cow! I
(and a lot others) would like to have one
of these. But at a starting bid of US$ 1,000? Too
rich for me, but anyway have a look at number:
5880139320
Some of you are probalby glad that I can't afford that (and won't be
bidding on it). Because if I got an unbuilt Heathkit, the first thing I
would do is to ruin it by building it.... 
8:34 p.m.
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David Griffith wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Tony Duell wrote:
I have some computer kits that are much cheaper and brand-new.
Heck at that price , doing a computer with 74LSXX seems a better deal
for parts ALONE. I wanted the pdp 11 rather than the 8080 but they seem
have only kept only about a year or two since the next time I saw
Heathkit they were doing a PC clone.
Holy cow!
I (and a lot others) would like to have one
of these. But at a starting bid of US$ 1,000? Too
rich for me, but anyway have a look at number:
5880139320
Some of you are probalby glad that I can't afford that (and won't be
bidding on it). Because if I got an unbuilt Heathkit, the first thing I
would do is to ruin it by building it....
9:25 p.m.
New subject: Heathkit H8 (new unbuilt) on ebay
On 3/14/2006 at 6:34 PM woodelf wrote:
Heck at that price , doing a computer with 74LSXX
seems a better deal
for parts ALONE. I wanted the pdp 11 rather than the 8080 but they seem
have only kept only about a year or two since the next time I saw
Heathkit they were doing a PC clone.
The Z-100/H-100? That wasn't much of a "clone", was it? So many
differences from the original!
Cheers,
Chuck
15 Mar
15 Mar
1:55 a.m.
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Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 3/14/2006 at 6:34 PM woodelf wrote:
The Z-100/H-100? That wasn't much of a "clone", was it? So many
differences from the original!
Well I did get one for a song as Z-100 seems to ring
a bell,about 10 years
ago but I had to toss it since it came with no DOS with it. It was a
nice machine, but with no Internet to get a OS booted for it was useless.
The PC clone was a much later product I was thinking about.
Cheers,
Chuck
9:38 a.m.
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woodelf wrote:
Well I did get one for a song as Z-100 seems to ring a
bell,about 10 years
ago but I had to toss it since it came with no DOS with it. It was a
nice machine, but with no Internet to get a OS booted for it was useless.
Ben, that's a shame :-((( When I got mine from Joe Rigdon a
few years back it had all of the OS disks except for CP/M-85,
which Don Maslin (MHRIP) was kind enough to provide.
I partitioned the hard drive into thirds, and set it up for
dual-boot (ZDOS and CP/M-86).
Unfortunately, the version of CP/M-85 Don sent me does not
support a hard drive. I've never taken the time to patch it
for hard drive support, since I really like CP/M-86. If I
ever do, I'll install it on the third partition.
I made Teledisk images for all three of the Z-100 CP/M-86
disks, so if anyone out there needs 'em I'll be glad to share.
Glen
0/0
9:02 p.m.
New subject: Z-100 (was Heathkit H8 (new unbuilt) on ebay)
The Z-100 computer was a great machine for its time.
S-100 slots for things like A/D/A and I/O cards
Harddisk controller (20 MByte
ST-225 - never thought I could fill it!).
Reprogram the video for 640 x 512 interlaced monochrome (of course
you will need to create graphic character set).
Reprogram the Disk Drive for 96 TPI
Use a tether to connect a RAM chip for imaging (remove metal lid on
ceramic package and etch the protective layer - play with the DRAM
256K = 512x512 refresh rate.)
CPM
P-System
DOS
I have a copy of TT-04 rev 03 Zenith Technical Training Manual, which
is a great reference for 8088/86 programming.
Another great reference is the PUP (Programmers Utility Pack) 8088/86
programming.
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At 09:38 AM 3/15/2006, you wrote:
woodelf wrote:
Well I did get one for a song as Z-100 seems to
ring a bell,about 10 years
ago but I had to toss it since it came with no DOS with it. It
was a nice machine, but with no Internet to get a OS booted for it was useless.
Ben, that's a shame :-((( When I got mine from Joe Rigdon a
few years back it had all of the OS disks except for CP/M-85,
which Don Maslin (MHRIP) was kind enough to provide.
I partitioned the hard drive into thirds, and set it up for
dual-boot (ZDOS and CP/M-86).
Unfortunately, the version of CP/M-85 Don sent me does not
support a hard drive. I've never taken the time to patch it
for hard drive support, since I really like CP/M-86. If I
ever do, I'll install it on the third partition.
I made Teledisk images for all three of the Z-100 CP/M-86
disks, so if anyone out there needs 'em I'll be glad to share.
Glen
0/0 
12:58 p.m.
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On Wednesday 15 March 2006 01:55 am, woodelf wrote:
Chuck Guzis wrote:
The -100 was an S-100 bus machine, with some small number of slots. The -150s
were closer to PC clones, but instead of a MB they had a backplane, and
some of the plug-in cards were taller than the standard cards, so what you
could or couldn't do was limited. (I have a couple of power supplies for
these if anybody can use them, the machines themselves are long gone). Then
they came out with stuff like the -160, a luggable, and the 148, etc.
which was a low-profile box. Later -150/-160 series stuff was a bit more
tightly integrated, with the whole machine on two boards instead of three,
if I'm remembering right.
Their -2xx machines were what they called their 286 and later boxes. At
around that time Zenith (?) decided that service was not going to be handled
through the local wholesaler (which had been the case for training and parts
and such) and was instead going to require no less than four separate trips
to Chicago, was going to cost some nontrivial money, and they also
complicated the handling of warranty claims, using NARDA forms (with six or
seven parts instead of the 2- or 3-part form we'd been using) and Batch
Tickets required, even if the "batch" consisted of a single claim. Couple
that with their responsiveness going into the toilet, an order for five
power supplies coming in so late and in two separate shipments that we lost
the customer, and we decided that it was time for us to stop being a ZDS
service center. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
I may still have manuals for a bunch of that older stuff, and think I also
have an early Zenith monitor, condition unknown, sitting in storage --
it's the one that used a DB25 for an input connector, if anybody's
interested.
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On 3/14/2006 at 6:34 PM woodelf wrote:
The Z-100/H-100? That wasn't much of a "clone", was it? So many
differences from the original!
Well I did get one for a song as Z-100 seems to ring a bell,about 10 years
ago but I had to toss it since it came with no DOS with it. It was a
nice machine, but with no Internet to get a OS booted for it was useless.
The PC clone was a much later product I was thinking about. 
14 Mar
14 Mar
2:54 p.m.
> What is the "party line" port and
what's it used for? A search of the
> cctalk archives didn't yield anything.
The HP264x terminals had something vaguely similar. You could daisychain
terminals off eachother in a bus configuration instead of the typical star
configuration (all RS232). MultiDrop I think they called it.
Jay West
4:11 p.m.
In article <010601c647a1$1455ec80$6800a8c0 at BILLING>,
"Jay West" <jwest at classiccmp.org> writes:
> What is
the "party line" port and what's it used for? A search of the
> cctalk archives didn't yield anything.
The HP264x terminals had something vaguely similar. You could daisychain
terminals off eachother in a bus configuration instead of the typical star
configuration (all RS232). MultiDrop I think they called it. From looking at the 264x documentation, I got the
impression that this
was a cheap form of networking multiple terminals to a single
host.
This makes sense for a 264x since they all have their own keyboards.
For this Westinghouse unit, I'll have to open it up and see what the
circuitry contains, that should give me some idea of how to feed it
data.
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17 Mar
6:04 p.m.
Re:
The HP264x terminals had something vaguely similar.
You could daisychain
terminals off eachother in a bus configuration instead of the typical star
configuration (all RS232). MultiDrop I think they called it.
Yes, but it was an option (a rarely seen option at that).
I never saw one running.
IIRC, it was a poll/select system, ala Burroughs early CRT terminals in
the early 1970s.
Stan
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18 Mar
18 Mar
12:54 a.m.
Sounds like the old HP "MultiPoint" terminal configuration we used for a
while at George Mason University. I don't remember the exact years, but it
was probably 1978, 1979, or 1980. IIRC used a Sync 9600 circuit between
the devices. You put a sync card in the HP 2645 terminal instead of the
async card and I think there was some external media adapter too. I
remember working with an HP SE named Tom Benedict out of the Rockville, MD
office to try to get our multipoint setup to work in a reliable
fashion. The problem was that turning any terminal in the chain off shut
down the entire chain, and a hard reset really messed it up as well.
We eventually removed the sync cards from the 2645 terminals, went async,
and used twisted pair to connect the HP 2645 terminals. Because of the "50
foot" limit on RS-232, we were an "unsupported configuration" because we
had anywhere from 700+ feet to over 2500 feet of twisted pair between the
HP 3000 Series III MUX ports and the HP 2645 terminals.
When some years later we added a HP 3000 Series 64 with ATP ports we found
that to log on we had to set the terminal speed to 2400 baud, log on, then
issue a SPEED 960,960 and switch the speed to 9600. We did that for a
couple of years until we installed a broadband cable system (IIRC I think
it was Sytek).
I don't know if Tom Benedict is still with HP, but at the time he was an
expert on the MultiPoint technology. I'm sure he would have some
interesting tales to tell.
Going way beyond the "Party Line" topic, does anyone remember the Sytek
system? The Sytek network used bidirectional CATV technology for the
backbone and network interfaces that used two Z80 processors to connect
RS-232 devices. One Z80 handled the RS-232 interfaces (you could have 1 to
8 19,200 bps RS-232 ports) and the other handled the
modulation/demodulation of the RF carrier. A 68000 Unix box acted as the
network control center (NCC). When you turned on a terminal and hit return
you got the attention of the NCC and it gave you a menu of available
devices (ones which you had permission to access ANDed with the devices
[systems] which had available ports). I know the Sytek system was used at
NASA, as it was through NASA that we found out about the Sytek "local area
network" equipment sometime about 1979 or 1980. With the CATV bandwidth
and the frequency spectrum divided up for various uses, the Sytek network
allowed a dozen or so video channels, a few thousand phone calls, and
several thousand 19.2 kbps terminal connections simultaneously on a single
cable. Not bad for late 1970's technology.
John
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The HP264x terminals had something vaguely
similar. You could daisychain
terminals off eachother in a bus configuration instead of the typical star
configuration (all RS232). MultiDrop I think they called it.
Yes, but it was an option (a rarely seen option at that).
I never saw one running.
IIRC, it was a poll/select system, ala Burroughs early CRT terminals in
the early 1970s.
Stan
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1:44 p.m.
In article <5.0.0.25.2.20060318002454.02be3538 at pop.east.cox.net>,
"John K." <john3000 at cox.net> writes:
Going way beyond the "Party Line" topic,
does anyone remember the Sytek
system? The Sytek network used bidirectional CATV technology for the
backbone and network interfaces that used two Z80 processors to connect
RS-232 devices. One Z80 handled the RS-232 interfaces (you could have 1 to
8 19,200 bps RS-232 ports) and the other handled the
modulation/demodulation of the RF carrier. A 68000 Unix box acted as the
network control center (NCC). When you turned on a terminal and hit return
you got the attention of the NCC and it gave you a menu of available
devices (ones which you had permission to access ANDed with the devices
[systems] which had available ports). I know the Sytek system was used at
NASA, as it was through NASA that we found out about the Sytek "local area
network" equipment sometime about 1979 or 1980. With the CATV bandwidth
and the frequency spectrum divided up for various uses, the Sytek network
allowed a dozen or so video channels, a few thousand phone calls, and
several thousand 19.2 kbps terminal connections simultaneously on a single
cable. Not bad for late 1970's technology.
UDel had something similar at the same time, although it was locally
referred to as the "port selector". I have a feeling it was a PDP-11
or other minicomputer locally configured with software to do the
connection. Local serial terminals would connect to a remote machine
by pressing <RETURN>digit<RETURN>, so <CR>4<CR> connected you to
a
PDP-11/70 running RSTS/E while <CR>3<CR> connected you to the Burroughs
B6700, etc. I remember at least the following machines being
connected:
- PDP-11/70 running unix
- PDP-11/70 running RSTS/E
- DECsystem-10 running TOPS-10
- B6700 running whatever ran on the Burroughs :-)
- HP3000 with BASIC front end
I think there may have been one or two other machines that I never
used. The machines themselves were located in a secure computing
center building across town, so there was some sort of network between
the terminal building and the computer center.
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