19 Jan
2004
19 Jan
'04
7:13 p.m.
I have a SGI Indigo and Indigo II along with a pile of Sun stuff. I'm
wondering if I can replace all the funky monitors with one modern multisync
SVGA monitor. Anybody know of any reason that this won't work, or have any
recommendations about what kind of video adapter I need or where to get
one? (13W3 to SVGA).
Joe
19 Jan
19 Jan
7:44 p.m.
Joe,
A good multisync that supports sync-on-green will be your best bet. I've got
lots of SGI and SUN systems - and that kind of monitor will work on just
about everything. You're in for a lot more hassle if the monitor doesn't do
sync-on-green.
Some Indigo and Indigo II's video options do support more standard SVGA
signals - but it's not straightforward. (The SGI hardware developers manual
has MANY pages devoted to the subject).
Sun and SGI have different pinouts for 13W3 to SVGA, so be sure to purchase or
make the correct adapters for each.
You may want to look in the archives of this list - there was a detailed
discussion of this subject (by myself and others) a month or two back.
Lyle
On Monday 19 January 2004 17:13, Joe R. wrote:
I have a SGI Indigo and Indigo II along with a pile
of Sun stuff. I'm
wondering if I can replace all the funky monitors with one modern multisync
SVGA monitor. Anybody know of any reason that this won't work, or have any
recommendations about what kind of video adapter I need or where to get
one? (13W3 to SVGA).
Joe
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Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
20 Jan
20 Jan
6:51 a.m.
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 01:44, Lyle Bickley wrote:
A good multisync that supports sync-on-green will be
your best bet. I've got
lots of SGI and SUN systems - and that kind of monitor will work on just
about everything. You're in for a lot more hassle if the monitor doesn't do
sync-on-green.
I use an Iiyama Vision Master monitor on the desktop PC - it's probably
about 5 years old now. Has PC-style VGA input plus BNC connectors, and
can be swapped between the two from the controls on the front. From the
BNC inputs it'll do seperate H/V sync, combined H/V, and sync on green.
I've never used the 19" screens, but this 17" one is of really nice
quality for the age.
I've seen them go for about 40 pounds here (which is probably about
$70?). Doubtless you can get them for a fraction of that price in the US
though!
cheers
Jules
1:42 p.m.
On Tuesday 20 Jan 2004 12:40 pm, Jules Richardson wrote:
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 01:44, Lyle Bickley wrote:
17" Iiyama Vision Masters that'll multisync up to an SGI with BNCs? For
~?40?? Where? Seriously, the red gun on my desktop 15" has just gone and
with the student loan burning a hole in my pocket i'm seriously in the
market for a monitor that I can use both with my PC and for my SGI Iris
and Indigos...
URL? Phone number?
alex/melt
A good multisync that supports sync-on-green will
be your best bet.
I've got lots of SGI and SUN systems - and that kind of monitor will
work on just about everything. You're in for a lot more hassle if the
monitor doesn't do sync-on-green.
I use an Iiyama Vision Master monitor on the desktop PC - it's probably
about 5 years old now. Has PC-style VGA input plus BNC connectors, and
can be swapped between the two from the controls on the front. From the
BNC inputs it'll do seperate H/V sync, combined H/V, and sync on green.
I've never used the 19" screens, but this 17" one is of really nice
quality for the age.
I've seen them go for about 40 pounds here (which is probably about
$70?). Doubtless you can get them for a fraction of that price in the US
though!
2:29 p.m.
On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 19:42, meltie wrote:
On Tuesday 20 Jan 2004 12:40 pm, Jules Richardson
wrote:
17" Iiyama Vision Masters that'll multisync up to an SGI with BNCs?
Never tried them with an SGI, but the spec on them is pretty good -
27-92KHz horizontal, 50-160Hz vertical, and a 160MHz bandwidth.
For
~?40?? Where? Seriously, the red gun on my desktop 15" has just gone and
with the student loan burning a hole in my pocket i'm seriously in the
market for a monitor that I can use both with my PC and for my SGI Iris
and Indigos...
check university newsgroups, or local usenet groups for your area. I've
seen several crop up around here (Cambridge) in the past.
I notice there's Belinea 17" screen for sale locally at the moment for
35 pounds, but the spec isn't as good as one of the Iiyama units and I
don't know what the quality is like for that manufacturer.
cheers
Jules
8:15 p.m.
Joe R. wrote:
I have a SGI Indigo and Indigo II along with a pile
of Sun stuff. I'm
wondering if I can replace all the funky monitors with one modern multisync
SVGA monitor. Anybody know of any reason that this won't work, or have any
recommendations about what kind of video adapter I need or where to get
one? (13W3 to SVGA).
Joe
I use a 20" sgi monitor (20d11) with a sync convertor, this works with a
normal pc, sgi , vax's and sun machines. The bad news is I can't
remember where I got it from, it was from the US and it converts
sync-on-green both ways. It is a vga convertor but with a vga cable and
2 13w3 connectors, it does the job and has done for about 3 years.
The only thing I remember about it is looking at uk sites and finding
they where around ?100,. The one I got worked out around $40, which is
not bad when converted to pounds
Dan
21 Jan
21 Jan
9:06 a.m.
Ultra Spec cables makes good adapters (I have several), but they're not
cheap...
http://www.ultraspec.com/
Joe R. said:
I have a SGI Indigo and Indigo II along with a pile
of Sun stuff. I'm
wondering if I can replace all the funky monitors with one modern multisync
SVGA monitor. Anybody know of any reason that this won't work, or have any
recommendations about what kind of video adapter I need or where to get
one? (13W3 to SVGA).
Joe
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(dtwright(a)uiuc.edu)
(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
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11:23 a.m.
On Jan 21, 2004, at 9:06 AM, Dan Wright wrote:
Ultra Spec cables makes good adapters (I have
several), but they're not
cheap...
http://www.ultraspec.com/
Bah. Get on ePay and buy one of the $10 "SGI/Sun" 13W3/HD15
adapters, and pull pin 10 on the 13W3 side. That's the rightmost small
pin in the top row if you're looking at it like this: (O O \\\\\ O)
In case Mail.app is actually sending in fixed-width today:
__ __ __
/ \ / \ o o o o x / \
| | | | | |
\ __ / \ __ / o o o o o \ __ /
The Sun Composite-Sync signal and the SGI Composite-Sync signal
aren't on the same pin, and most CS-capable monitors do it the Sun way.
Pulling pin 10 disables CS from the SGI adapter and forces everything
to SOG.
I can verify this on Indy, Octane, Indigo2 Extreme and Impact, and
IIRC, Indigo R3k models.
Or, if your tube has BNC connectors, you can dig out your old
13W3/BNC cable, and attach only the RGB leads.
Doc
6:21 p.m.
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Doc Shipley wrote:
On Jan 21, 2004, at 9:06 AM, Dan Wright wrote:
Do you know if and how the Apple 13W3-15 cable (Apple 590-0615-A)
differs from the "SGI/Sub" version? They look the same
externally, but Apple is rather (in)famous for altering pinouts.
- don
Ultra Spec cables makes good adapters (I have
several), but they're not
cheap...
http://www.ultraspec.com/
Bah. Get on ePay and buy one of the $10 "SGI/Sun" 13W3/HD15
adapters, and pull pin 10 on the 13W3 side. That's the rightmost small
pin in the top row if you're looking at it like this: (O O \\\\\ O)
In case Mail.app is actually sending in fixed-width today:
__ __ __
/ \ / \ o o o o x / \
| | | | | |
\ __ / \ __ / o o o o o \ __ /
The Sun Composite-Sync signal and the SGI Composite-Sync signal
aren't on the same pin, and most CS-capable monitors do it the Sun way.
Pulling pin 10 disables CS from the SGI adapter and forces everything
to SOG.
I can verify this on Indy, Octane, Indigo2 Extreme and Impact, and
IIRC, Indigo R3k models. Or, if your tube has BNC connectors, you can dig
out your old
13W3/BNC cable, and attach only the RGB leads.
Doc
6:37 p.m.
On Jan 21, 2004, at 6:21 PM, Don Maslin wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Doc Shipley wrote:
I dunno. I've never seen either cable in the flesh.
Doc
The Sun Composite-Sync signal and the SGI
Composite-Sync signal
aren't on the same pin, and most CS-capable monitors do it the Sun
way.
Pulling pin 10 disables CS from the SGI adapter and forces
everything
to SOG.
I can verify this on Indy, Octane, Indigo2 Extreme and Impact, and
IIRC, Indigo R3k models.
Do you know if and how the Apple 13W3-15 cable (Apple 590-0615-A)
differs from the "SGI/Sub" version? They look the same
externally, but Apple is rather (in)famous for altering pinouts.
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