3 Jun
2009
3 Jun
'09
8:31 a.m.
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http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=tetris
P.S. I have the original TETRIS.SAV binary for the Elektronika-60 (a
Soviet LSI-11 clone)
for the RT-11. It works under SIMH. Unfortunately, I have NO good
opensource VT-52 emulator
to play. Original Tetris requires 0177 character to be BLOCK to draw.
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3 Jun
3 Jun
9:18 a.m.
New subject: VT52 emulator (was: Fw: Still Falling for Tetris, 25 Years After Its Birth )
In article <347d9b1b0906030131o2c2460d6qef0369629e5b40ef at mail.gmail.com>,
Alexander Voropay <alec at sensi.org> writes:
P.S. I have the original TETRIS.SAV binary for the
Elektronika-60 (a
Soviet LSI-11 clone)
for the RT-11. It works under SIMH. Unfortunately, I have NO good
opensource VT-52 emulator
to play. Original Tetris requires 0177 character to be BLOCK to draw.
Interesting! Most stuff is OK with VT100 instead of VT52. Is it
because the VT100 emulation is lacking in its VT52 support, or is it
because the real VT100 is lacking in its VT52 compatability?
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12:25 p.m.
New subject: VT52 emulator (was: Fw: Still Falling for Tetris, 25 Years After Its Birth )
Richard wrote:
Alexander Voropay <alec at sensi.org> writes:
I would've thought that Tetris would switch to the VT52 graphics set,
which wasn't emulated by any subsequent DEC VT. However, a full block in
that case would be 141 ("a"), not 177, which is DEL, so I assume Alexander
is saying that the VT52 displays a block when receiving DEL. Other DEC VTs
ignored DEL on receipt, even (I believe) in VT52 mode.
Paul
Unfortunately, I have NO good opensource VT-52 emulator
to play. Original Tetris requires 0177 character to be BLOCK to draw.
Interesting! Most stuff is OK with VT100 instead of VT52. Is it
because the VT100 emulation is lacking in its VT52 support, or is it
because the real VT100 is lacking in its VT52 compatability?
9:50 p.m.
New subject: VT52 emulator (was: Fw: Still Falling for Tetris, 25 Years After Its Birth )
2009/6/3 Richard <legalize at xmission.com>:
This TETRIS.SAV and many other soviet RT-11 games used
hardcoded VT-52 sequences for cursor movement and positioning,
i.e. "short" ESC "A" instead of ESC "[" "A"
e.t.c.
I've tried alot of VT-52/telnet emulators, it's awful. The one of the
best is a M$ HyperTerm (sic!) in VT-52 mode.
Electronica-60 was equipped with 15-IE-00-013 videoterminal
(not sure about origins, maybe Tectronix clone ?). It had rather
similar VT-52 sequences (K52.SAV worked w/o any problems).
Also it had Cyrillic charset swithable via SI/SO ASCII control
codes. The 0177 character was a 6x8 block.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektronika_60
and ru. interwiki
Videoterminal:
http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_calc.php?n=283
I've put my collection of the soviet RT-11 games here:
http://www.nwpi.ru/~alec/SIMH/
To run this games you need working SIMH and RT-11.
./pdp11
PDP-11 simulator V3.8-0
sim> attach rl0 rtv53_rl.dsk
sim> attach rl1 games.dsk
sim> set throttle 200k
sim> set console pchar=37777777777
sim> set console telnet=23
sim> boot rl0
. RUN DL1:TETRIS.SAV
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Original
Tetris requires 0177 character to be BLOCK to draw.
Interesting! ?Most stuff is OK with VT100 instead of VT52.
4 Jun
4 Jun
2:40 a.m.
New subject: VT52 emulator (was: Fw: Still Falling for Tetris, 25 Years After Its Birth )
In article <347d9b1b0906031450i6ae1d2dl97507cc911e59d24 at mail.gmail.com>,
Alexander Voropay <alec at sensi.org> writes:
This TETRIS.SAV and many other soviet RT-11 games
used
hardcoded VT-52 sequences for cursor movement and positioning,
i.e. "short" ESC "A" instead of ESC "[" "A"
e.t.c.
VT100 supports these short escape sequences when in VT52 mode.
Maybe the problem is that you didn't issue the escape sequence to put
your VT100/emulator into VT52 mode first?
Electronica-60 was equipped with 15-IE-00-013
videoterminal
(not sure about origins, maybe Tectronix clone ?). It had rather
similar VT-52 sequences (K52.SAV worked w/o any problems).
Also it had Cyrillic charset swithable via SI/SO ASCII control
codes. The 0177 character was a 6x8 block.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektronika_60
and ru. interwiki
Videoterminal:
http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_calc.php?n=3D283
That is one cool looking video terminal, for sure :-). Physically it
doesn't look like any Tektronix terminal, nor does the on-screen font
shown in those photos. Most terminals ultimately ended up emulating
two models: VT100 and Tektronix 4010/4014. The former was for
character based displays and the latter was for graphics.
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6:54 a.m.
New subject: VT52 emulator (was: Fw: Still Falling for Tetris, 25 Years After Its Birth )
Alexander wrote:
This TETRIS.SAV and many other soviet RT-11 games used
hardcoded VT-52 sequences for cursor movement and positioning,
i.e. "short" ESC "A" instead of ESC "[" "A"
e.t.c.
I've tried alot of VT-52/telnet emulators, it's awful. [...]
Electronica-60 was equipped with 15-IE-00-013 videoterminal.
It had rather similar VT-52 sequences [...]
The 0177 character was a 6x8 block.
The VT52 ignored 0177 on receipt, so this game won't work on any decent
VT52 emulator. You'd have to guess where the pieces were. :-)
Paul
12:24 p.m.
New subject: VT52 emulator (was: Fw: Still Falling for Tetris, 25 Years After Its Birth )
2009/6/4 <paul at frixxon.co.uk>:
I need opensource VT-52 emulator then. It should support Telnet to communicate
with SIMH. PuTTY is good mature opensourse project but does not support VT-52
at all and very complicated (for me...).
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The 0177
character was a 6x8 block.
The VT52 ignored 0177 on receipt, so this game won't work on any decent
VT52 emulator. You'd have to guess where the pieces were. :-)
13 Jun
13 Jun
8:08 p.m.
New subject: VT52 emulator (was: Fw: Still Falling for Tetris, 25 Years After Its Birth )
2009/6/4 Alexander Voropay <alec at sensi.org>:
>> The 0177 character was a 6x8 block.
>
> The VT52 ignored 0177 on receipt, so this game won't work on any decent
> VT52 emulator. You'd have to guess where the pieces were. :-)
Sergei Frolov made a video playing this TETRIS game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0gAgQQHFcQ
Rather bad VTY/CAM interference, nice keyboard "clicks" :)
Look at 2:25, the russian DVK (a PDP-11 clone) boots.
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