6 Aug
2011
6 Aug
'11
3:29 p.m.
The two LA50 manuals listed on MANX don't seem to be accessible, and a web
search for them does not seem to turn up anything, does anyone have
EK-OLA50-IP-003 or EK-OLA50-TM-001?
By the way, anyone know of any UK sources of tractor feed paper that would
suit an LA50?
Thanks
Rob
6 Aug
6 Aug
3:40 p.m.
In the meantime, if there are no manuals around or readily available, I am
trying to remove the casing to get a look at the power supply to make sure
it looks OK, before connecting it to some power. But I can't get the casing
off because the knob on the side that is used to turn the roller is in the
way and I can't see how to remove it. If someone can tell me how to remove
the knob that would be great.
Thanks
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rob Jarratt
Sent: 06 August 2011 23:30
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: LA50 Manuals
The two LA50 manuals listed on MANX don't seem to be accessible, and a web
search for them does not seem to turn up anything, does anyone have
EK-OLA50-IP-003 or EK-OLA50-TM-001?
By the way, anyone know of any UK sources of tractor feed paper that would
suit an LA50?
Thanks
Rob
8 Aug
8 Aug
7:19 a.m.
New subject: Manx database
I'm currently building a list of the manuals that I have (owned,
scanned, on fiche etc.).
As part of that I want to build a list of
DEC-documents-that-are-known-to-exist.
I have the 159MiB SQL dump of Manx as it was in 2010.
It looks like it should be easy enough to separate out part-number and
title fields from PUBHISTORY entries
but is there any other useful information in there that I'm missing
(e.g. web location of a scanned copy?).
Has anyone worked out what all the fields are (to save me grubbing
around, re-inventing the wheel?).
Thanks
Antonio
arcarlini at iee.org
8:21 a.m.
New subject: Manx database
In article <2E1580E71A0A4731880A3C501212F06B at ANTONIOPC>,
<arcarlini at iee.org> writes:
Has anyone worked out what all the fields are (to save
me grubbing
around, re-inventing the wheel?).
I re-implemented manx at <http://manx.classiccmp.org>
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6 Aug
6 Aug
10:36 p.m.
I have EK-OLA50-IP-003 or EK-OLA50-TM-001 on microfiche also the user
and programming manuals
(user also in paper form so easily scannable)
Easiest way to contact me today will be on IRC #classiccmp my nick is archivist
I can have them in the fiche reader
Will be out till 7pm as Im volunteering at
http://www.middleton-leawood.org.uk/leawood/images/outside/index.html
Dave Caroline
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Rob Jarratt
<robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
The two LA50 manuals listed on MANX don't seem to
be accessible, and a web
search for them does not seem to turn up anything, does anyone have
EK-OLA50-IP-003 or EK-OLA50-TM-001?
By the way, anyone know of any UK sources of tractor feed paper that would
suit an LA50?
Thanks
Rob
7 Aug
7 Aug
1:27 a.m.
Dave,
I managed to work out that the knob came off with just a bit more force (I
am always worried about breaking things by applying too much force to
something that is supposed to be removed in some other way). I was able to
see enough of the PSU that it looked safe to try applying power. I know this
is still a bit rash, but thankfully the PSU was OK and the printer came up
just fine. So for the moment I am happy, but if anyone does have a PDF of
those manuals it would be great.
Incidentally, a while back you responded to an email about the H7140 PSU
from the PDP11/24, for which I think you also have the
fiche. I am still
interested in a couple of bits of information from the printset
for the
newer design, would you be able photograph a couple of pages? I am
interested in the Input Assembly and the Bias and Interface board. On the
latter I have a specific question: My bias and interface board had what
looked like a broken track, and it did look broken rather than deliberately
cut. Could you tell me if the collector of Q2 (p87 of the older printset on
bitsavers) is connected to anything? If so, what is it connected to?
Unfortunately I don't have IRC so we'll have to rely on email.
I didn't know that Middleton Top was open to the public and steamed. As a
teenager I used to hire a bike on the Tissington Trail to go rock climbing
at Harborough Rocks (I still climb today). I'll take the family next time it
is in steam as today is not likely to be possible. I live in Stockport and
guess you don't live too far away from me.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave Caroline
Sent: 07 August 2011 06:37
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: LA50 Manuals
I have EK-OLA50-IP-003 or EK-OLA50-TM-001 on microfiche also the user and
programming manuals (user also in paper form so easily scannable)
Easiest way to contact me today will be on IRC #classiccmp my nick is
archivist I
can have them in the fiche reader Will be out till 7pm
as Im volunteering
at
http://www.middleton-leawood.org.uk/leawood/images/outside/index.html
Dave Caroline
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> The two LA50 manuals listed on MANX don't seem to be accessible, and a
> web search for them does not seem to turn up anything, does anyone
> have
> EK-OLA50-IP-003 or EK-OLA50-TM-001?
>
> By the way, anyone know of any UK sources of tractor feed paper that
> would suit an LA50?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
>
>
1:49 a.m.
Middleton Top is run on compressed air, Im one of the drivers of Leawood.
just about to set off.
Im still working on getting fiche images later experiments were worse,
the quality/rigidity of the equipment has to to be high.
The image is too dim currently for manual focus and long exposure, and
that makes camera shake due to the stand flexing even worse. I have
got a remote shutter release for the camera now and some old
microfiche readers to hack and build around/in/on but but the expense
is holding me back.
Im about 25 miles south of Leawood near Burton
Dave
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
Dave,
I managed to work out that the knob came off with just a bit more force (I
am always worried about breaking things by applying too much force to
something that is supposed to be removed in some other way). I was able to
see enough of the PSU that it looked safe to try applying power. I know this
is still a bit rash, but thankfully the PSU was OK and the printer came up
just fine. So for the moment I am happy, but if anyone does have a PDF of
those manuals it would be great.
Incidentally, a while back you responded to an email about the H7140 PSU
from the PDP11/24, for which I think you also have the fiche. I am still
interested in a couple of bits of information from the printset for the
newer design, would you be able photograph a couple of pages? I am
interested in the Input Assembly and the Bias and Interface board. On the
latter I have a specific question: My bias and interface board had what
looked like a broken track, and it did look broken rather than deliberately
cut. Could you tell me if the collector of Q2 (p87 of the older printset on
bitsavers) is connected to anything? If so, what is it connected to?
Unfortunately I don't have IRC so we'll have to rely on email.
I didn't know that Middleton Top was open to the public and steamed. As a
teenager I used to hire a bike on the Tissington Trail to go rock climbing
at Harborough Rocks (I still climb today). I'll take the family next time it
is in steam as today is not likely to be possible. I live in Stockport and
guess you don't live too far away from me.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave Caroline
Sent: 07 August 2011 06:37
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: LA50 Manuals
I have EK-OLA50-IP-003 or EK-OLA50-TM-001 on microfiche also the user and
programming manuals (user also in paper form so easily scannable)
Easiest way to contact me today will be on IRC #classiccmp my nick is
archivist I
can have them in the fiche reader Will be out
till 7pm as Im volunteering
at
http://www.middleton-leawood.org.uk/leawood/images/outside/index.html
Dave Caroline
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> The two LA50 manuals listed on MANX don't seem to be accessible, and a
> web search for them does not seem to turn up anything, does anyone
> have
> EK-OLA50-IP-003 or EK-OLA50-TM-001?
>
> By the way, anyone know of any UK sources of tractor feed paper that
> would suit an LA50?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
>
>
3:17 a.m.
If you can't take pictures perhaps you could just confirm that question I
had on the Bias and Interface Board where I had a broken track?
Thanks
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave Caroline
Sent: 07 August 2011 09:50
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: LA50 Manuals
Middleton Top is run on compressed air, Im one of the drivers of Leawood.
just about to set off.
Im still working on getting fiche images later experiments were worse, the
quality/rigidity of the equipment has to to be high.
The image is too dim currently for manual focus and long exposure, and
that
makes camera shake due to the stand flexing even
worse. I have got a
remote
shutter release for the camera now and some old
microfiche readers to hack
and build around/in/on but but the expense is holding me back.
Im about 25 miles south of Leawood near Burton
Dave
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
wrote:
Dave,
I managed to work out that the knob came off with just a bit more
force (I am always worried about breaking things by applying too much
force to something that is supposed to be removed in some other way).
I was able to see enough of the PSU that it looked safe to try
applying power. I know this is still a bit rash, but thankfully the
PSU was OK and the printer came up just fine. So for the moment I am
happy, but if anyone does have a PDF of those manuals it would be great.
Incidentally, a while back you responded to an email about the H7140
PSU from the PDP11/24, for which I think you also have the fiche. I am
still interested in a couple of bits of information from the printset
for the newer design, would you be able photograph a couple of pages?
I am interested in the Input Assembly and the Bias and Interface
board. On the latter I have a specific question: My bias and interface
board had what looked like a broken track, and it did look broken
rather than deliberately cut. Could you tell me if the collector of Q2
(p87 of the older printset on
bitsavers) is connected to anything? If so, what is it connected to?
Unfortunately I don't have IRC so we'll have to rely on email.
I didn't know that Middleton Top was open to the public and steamed.
As a teenager I used to hire a bike on the Tissington Trail to go rock
climbing at Harborough Rocks (I still climb today). I'll take the
family next time it is in steam as today is not likely to be possible.
I live in Stockport and guess you don't live too far away from me.
Regards
Rob
leawood.org.uk/leawood/images/outside/index.html
>>
>> Dave Caroline
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Rob Jarratt
>> <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
>> wrote:
>> > The two LA50 manuals listed on MANX don't seem to be accessible,
>> > and a web search for them does not seem to turn up anything, does
>> > anyone have
>> > EK-OLA50-IP-003 or EK-OLA50-TM-001?
>> >
>> > By the way, anyone know of any UK sources of tractor feed paper
>> > that would suit an LA50?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>> >
>
> -----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave Caroline
Sent: 07 August 2011 06:37
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: LA50 Manuals
I have EK-OLA50-IP-003 or EK-OLA50-TM-001 on microfiche also the user
and programming manuals (user also in paper form so easily scannable)
Easiest way to contact me today will be on IRC #classiccmp my nick is
archivist I
can have them in the fiche reader Will be out
till 7pm as Im
volunteering
at
> http://www.middleton-
8 Aug
8 Aug
3:39 a.m.
Incidentally, a while back you responded to an email about the H7140 PSU
from the PDP11/24, for which I think you also have the fiche. I am still
interested in a couple of bits of information from the printset for the
newer design, would you be able photograph a couple of pages? I am
interested in the Input Assembly and the Bias and Interface board. On the
latter I have a specific question: My bias and interface board had what
looked like a broken track, and it did look broken rather than deliberately
cut. Could you tell me if the collector of Q2 (p87 of the older printset on
bitsavers) is connected to anything? If so, what is it connected to?
Been trawling the fiche and net while I have the IPB docs for the
H7140 I dont seem to have the technical manual with the circuit
so cannot give any circuit details,
the H7140 is not mentioned in the index part only the older docs on
bitsavers seem to cover it
so after some digging I only find EK-BA11A-TM-003
that points to MP00832
http://manx.archivist.info/publication.php?search=00832&company=1&i…
gives
http://www.mainecoon.com/classiccmp/PDP-11-44/BA11-A%20FMPS%20MP00832.tif
and the illustrated parts EK-H7140-IP which I have on fiche
does not seem well documented
Unfortunately I don't have IRC so we'll have to rely on email.
you have
internet! therefore you have irc, just install xchat (linux)
ychat (windaz)
Dave Caroline
2:09 p.m.
Sadly, the TIF you found does not seem to have the information, but thanks
for looking.
As for IRC, ychat wants to install Java and I don't. For the amount of use I
would get out of IRC I don't really want to pay for a commercial copy
either. If you can suggest an IRC client that runs on Windows, that is free
because I would not use it a lot, and doesn't want to install Java or scads
of Unix compatibility software (eg Cygwin) then I am all ears.
By the way, if I can I will come to the next steaming of the Leawood pump in
Cromford, it looks interesting and I think my sons would enjoy it.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave Caroline
Sent: 08 August 2011 11:39
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: LA50 Manuals
only the
Incidentally, a while back you responded to an email about the H7140
PSU from the PDP11/24, for which I think you also have the fiche. I am
still interested in a couple of bits of information from the printset
for the newer design, would you be able photograph a couple of pages?
I am interested in the Input Assembly and the Bias and Interface
board. On the latter I have a specific question: My bias and interface
board had what looked like a broken track, and it did look broken
rather than deliberately cut. Could you tell me if the collector of Q2
(p87 of the older printset on
bitsavers) is connected to anything? If so, what is it connected to?
Been trawling the fiche and net while I have the IPB docs for the
H7140 I dont seem to have the technical manual with the circuit so cannot
give any circuit details, the H7140 is not mentioned in the index part older docs on bitsavers seem to cover it
so after some digging I only find EK-BA11A-TM-003 that points to MP00832
http://manx.archivist.info/publication.php?search=00832&company=1&i…
202
gives
http://www.mainecoon.com/classiccmp/PDP-11-44/BA11-
A%20FMPS%20MP00832.tif
and the illustrated parts EK-H7140-IP which I have on fiche
does not seem well documented
ychat
Unfortunately I don't have IRC so we'll have to rely on email.
you have
internet! therefore you have irc, just install xchat (linux) (windaz)
Dave Caroline
2:32 p.m.
This ychat http://www.silverex.org/news/ which is a forked xchat
without the money scrounging
Xchat the real thing begs for money after 30 days on windows and
becomes unreadable. yet is completely free on linux!
and not http://ychat.sarovar.org/
I run a mile from anything yahoo and java, a double nasty I didnt know
of till just now!
Dave Caroline
4:33 p.m.
On 08/08/11 5:32 PM, Dave Caroline wrote:
This ychat http://www.silverex.org/news/ which is a
forked xchat
without the money scrounging
Xchat the real thing begs for money after 30 days on windows and
becomes unreadable. yet is completely free on linux!
I strongly recommend weechat, a console client. I wasn't happy with any
irc client I'd seen until I tried it.
--Toby
and not http://ychat.sarovar.org/
I run a mile from anything yahoo and java, a double nasty I didnt know
of till just now!
Dave Caroline
4:35 p.m.
New subject: irc clients for Windows - was Re: LA50 Manuals
On 08/08/11 5:09 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
Sadly, the TIF you found does not seem to have the
information, but thanks
for looking.
As for IRC, ychat wants to install Java and I don't. For the amount of use I
would get out of IRC I don't really want to pay for a commercial copy
either. If you can suggest an IRC client that runs on Windows, that is free
because I would not use it a lot, and doesn't want to install Java or scads
of Unix compatibility software (eg Cygwin) then I am all ears.
Hm, my answer about weechat was premature, its Windows port is still
under development.
If you're stuck with Windows, how about mirc? http://www.mirc.com/
--Toby
By the way, if I can I will come to the next steaming of the Leawood pump in
Cromford, it looks interesting and I think my sons would enjoy it.
Regards
Rob
4:48 p.m.
New subject: irc clients for Windows - was Re: LA50 Manuals
I def second mirc great way to go for windows users
chris
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
On 08/08/11 5:09 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
Sadly, the TIF you found does not seem to have
the information, but
thanks
for looking.
As for IRC, ychat wants to install Java and I don't. For the amount of
use I
would get out of IRC I don't really want to
pay for a commercial copy
either. If you can suggest an IRC client that runs on Windows, that is
free
because I would not use it a lot, and doesn't
want to install Java or
scads
of Unix compatibility software (eg Cygwin) then I
am all ears.
Hm, my answer about weechat was premature, its Windows port is still
under development.
If you're stuck with Windows, how about mirc? http://www.mirc.com/
--Toby
By the way, if I can I will come to the next steaming of the Leawood pump
in
Cromford, it looks interesting and I think my
sons would enjoy it.
Regards
Rob
6:38 p.m.
New subject: irc clients for Windows - was Re: LA50 Manuals
On Mon, 8 Aug 2011, Toby Thain wrote:
On 08/08/11 5:09 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
If you're a FireFox user, ChatZilla is a great IRC plugin.
g.
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Sadly, the TIF you found does not seem to have
the information, but thanks
for looking.
As for IRC, ychat wants to install Java and I don't. For the amount of use I
would get out of IRC I don't really want to pay for a commercial copy
either. If you can suggest an IRC client that runs on Windows, that is free
because I would not use it a lot, and doesn't want to install Java or scads
of Unix compatibility software (eg Cygwin) then I am all ears.
Hm, my answer about weechat was premature, its Windows port is still
under development.
If you're stuck with Windows, how about mirc? http://www.mirc.com/
6:46 p.m.
New subject: irc clients for Windows - was Re: LA50 Manuals
pidgin - its open source and can keep your private conversations private with OTR
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:35:05 -0400
From: toby at telegraphics.com.au
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: irc clients for Windows - was Re: LA50 Manuals
>
> By the way, if I can I will come to the next steaming of the Leawood pump in
> Cromford, it looks interesting and I think my sons would enjoy it.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
9 Aug
9 Aug
7:23 a.m.
New subject: irc clients for Windows - was Re: LA50 Manuals
icechat and its free
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
pidgin - its open source and can keep your private conversations private
with OTR
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:35:05 -0400
From: toby at telegraphics.com.au
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: irc clients for Windows - was Re: LA50 Manuals
>
> By the way, if I can I will come to the next steaming of the Leawood
pump in
> Cromford, it looks interesting and I think
my sons would enjoy it.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
14 Aug
14 Aug
8:48 p.m.
New subject: irc clients for Windows - was Re: LA50 Manuals
Adrian Stoness wrote:
icechat and its free
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Dan Gahlinger<dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
> pidgin - its open source and can keep your private conversations private
> with OTR
>
>
irssi is available for Windows and it comes with an installer.
7 Aug
7 Aug
2:34 a.m.
On Sun, 7 Aug 2011 06:36:41 +0100
Dave Caroline <dave.thearchivist at gmail.com> wrote:
Will be out till 7pm as Im volunteering at
http://www.middleton-leawood.org.uk/leawood/images/outside/index.html
Thank you for
ruining my day. ;-)
I planed to work on my PDP-11/34a, now I am into all of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derwent_Valley_Mills
And there is this nice video about the Leawood Pumphouse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHaD4_DGOIc
--
\end{Jochen}
\ref{http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/}
3:15 a.m.
Well, if you like that sort of thing I can also recommend Papplewick Pumping
Station http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_nCk90E_zI, it is quite beautiful
and impressive to watch when it is in steam.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jochen Kunz
Sent: 07 August 2011 10:35
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: LA50 Manuals
On Sun, 7 Aug 2011 06:36:41 +0100
Dave Caroline <dave.thearchivist at gmail.com> wrote:
Will be out till 7pm as Im volunteering at
http://www.middleton-leawood.org.uk/leawood/images/outside/index.html
Thank you
for ruining my day. ;-)
I planed to work on my PDP-11/34a, now I am into all of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derwent_Valley_Mills
And there is this nice video about the Leawood Pumphouse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHaD4_DGOIc
--
\end{Jochen}
\ref{http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/}
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