On 4/25/15 9:34 AM, js at cimmeri.com wrote: Thanks, I'll give that a shot later tonight.

John, my post on classiccmp is not appearing on the list, so here a direct mail: ... All LEDs "glowing dark"? I've seen this, when the 20 pin cable from M7859 to the console panel is plugged in reversed. Don't trust the marked pin 1 wire: sometimes DEC manufacturing twisted the cables. hope this helps, Joerg

All LEDs "glowing dark"? And sure enough, I flipped the cable around and things are much happier, the front panel is completely responsive and the CPU and bus seem to be working but I'll need to spend some more time with it to test stuff out. That'll learn me to trust Pin-1 markings on DEC stuff :). Thanks all for the suggestions, it's all been very educational... - Josh

Choosing to take your words literally... "Yes, I can see how this issue would be in precisely the same class as not having the computer plugged into the wall." *** To correct you, your issue wasn't "precisely" in the same class as a line cord, nor is that what I wrote or even implied... but having several 11/34 myself, and having initially run into the same cable reversal issue (but now, over a year later, not remembering any details), the very fact that there's no keys or any clear indications whatsoever which way the cable goes, made cable orientation the number one suspect... and to me, an *obvious* thing to try first. However, I *do* admit to implying in my response that I'm of the opinion that *sometimes* people come running to the list here the instant any slight snag is encountered, without really exercising due diligence, when they might take on the challenge a bit more before doing so, thus have all the more satisfaction from arriving at the solution. "A thousand apologies for wasting so much of your time. " Oh, only a small (1) was needed, but thank you. :) - J. On 4/26/2015 4:49 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:

On 4/26/2015 7:16 PM, Don North wrote: Oh, my reply met every standard for the word, "civil." Beyond that, the tone is entirely what YOU project into it. To me, it was wry humor. - J.

Hi Mike, I didn't think my reply was out of line in any way. I was not trying to insult you or anyone else. I was giving support to a list member who had a problem. Are you sure you are replying to the right person? And yes, I was factory trained on PDP11/34s and worked on many in the field, own several of them. Paul On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at gmail.com> wrote: > Your reply to me was less than civil: > > "s at cimmeri.com js at cimmeri.com via comcast.net > > 11:14 AM (2 hours ago) > to me > > Do you even HAVE an 11/34 to know what's being talked about? If you > did, you'd see that it's not at all clear which way it goes, and it > can go on either way. Therefore, it should be checked against a > schematic or otherwise pinned out. > > Since when do YOU speak for "anyone else"?! Speak for YOURSELF. > > I don't need you and other similar IDIOTS beating up on me because > YOU'RE an IDIOT and I'm NOT" > > > > I don't know who you are. I do question what you're doing on this list > with that kind of attitude. > > Mike > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:21 PM, js at cimmeri.com <js at cimmeri.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 4/26/2015 7:16 PM, Don North wrote: > >> > >> Actually the maintenance/debugging chapter (8) in the KY11-LB > maintenance > >> manual mentions this problem as a symptom, and the resolution is to > reverse > >> the cable plugged into the M7859 coming from the front panel. So the > manuals > >> can be useful as well. > >> > >> However, it is still not good form to be so snippy in either asking > >> questions or answering them. There are more and more noobs out there > that > >> are younger than their machines, and guiding them how to ask questions > is as > >> important as to answering them. > >> > >> If you don't want to respond in a civil fashion then don't respond at > all. > >> Then your time will not be wasted. > >> > >> Don > > > > > > Oh, my reply met every standard for the word, "civil." Beyond that, the > > tone is entirely what YOU project into it. To me, it was wry humor. > > > > - J. > > > > -- > > http://www.corestore.org > 'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother. > Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame. > For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.' >

On Apr 26, 2015, at 19:45, "js at cimmeri.com" <js at cimmeri.com> wrote: It should also be readily apparent that "Mike Ross" is smugly trying to make public a private message I sent to him because he feels the need for group-think protection. - J.

However, I *do* admit to implying in my response that I'm of the opinion that *sometimes* people come running to the list here the instant any slight snag is encountered, without really exercising due diligence, when they might take on the challenge a bit more before doing so, thus have all the more satisfaction from arriving at the solution.

Choosing to take your words literally... "Yes, I can see how this issue would be in precisely the same class as not having the computer plugged into the wall." *** To correct you, your issue wasn't "precisely" in the same class as a line cord, nor is that what I wrote or even implied... but having several 11/34 myself, and having initially run into the same cable reversal issue (but now, over a year later, not remembering any details), the very fact that there's no keys or any clear indications whatsoever which way the cable goes, made cable orientation the number one suspect... and to me, an *obvious* thing to try first.

However, I *do* admit to implying in my response that I'm of the opinion that *sometimes* people come running to the list here the instant any slight snag is encountered, without really exercising due diligence, when they might take on the challenge a bit more before doing so, thus have all the more satisfaction from arriving at the solution.

"A thousand apologies for wasting so much of your time. " Oh, only a small (1) was needed, but thank you. :) - J. On 4/26/2015 4:49 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:

On 4/26/2015 12:58 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: J, to save the time of those posting, it's more or less assumed you've already tried the obvious things before asking for help. Otherwise, posters are -- for example -- left having to first question whether a machine is even plugged in to the wall or not. - J

That's harsh, JS. Incorrect pin markings are not something that would be anywhere near the top of my list, or anyone else's I suspect. One does not casually reverse the installation of cables just to see if maybe it will work! Mike On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 9:41 AM, js at cimmeri.com<js at cimmeri.com> wrote: