31 Oct
2021
31 Oct
'21
1:06 p.m.
I would like to use my tablet, Samsung Tab E model SM-T560NU, to connect
to my VAX and Linux computers.? There seem to be a large number of
'Apps' out there.? What is a good one to use?
The VAX doesn't have SSH only insecure TELNET.? Another can of worms,
SSH on the Vax?
Doug
31 Oct
31 Oct
1:37 p.m.
On 10/31/21 1:06 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I would like to use my tablet, Samsung Tab E model
SM-T560NU, to connect
to my VAX and Linux computers.? There seem to be a large number of
'Apps' out there.? What is a good one to use?
The VAX doesn't have SSH only insecure TELNET.? Another can of worms,
SSH on the Vax?
You might do what I do--isolate your vintage/old machines on their own
sub-net with no connection to the outside. It's not as if you'll do web
browsing on the VAX, after all.
ftp and telnet word for me.
--Chuck
2:07 p.m.
Juicessh ap for android has telnet. I use it for my vax boxes.
If you are concerned about connecting to the internet, the biggest risk is
having a nail server running. Usually when bots probe for telnet hosts
they dont attempt a vms style login, so it's not so risky just to have a
vax running vms in and of itself.
On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 4:37 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 10/31/21 1:06 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I would like to use my tablet, Samsung Tab E
model SM-T560NU, to connect
to my VAX and Linux computers. There seem to be a large number of
'Apps' out there. What is a good one to use?
The VAX doesn't have SSH only insecure TELNET. Another can of worms,
SSH on the Vax?
You might do what I do--isolate your vintage/old machines on their own
sub-net with no connection to the outside. It's not as if you'll do web
browsing on the VAX, after all.
ftp and telnet word for me.
--Chuck
1 Nov
1 Nov
12:11 p.m.
On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 at 22:07, Bill Degnan via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Juicessh ap for android has telnet. I use it for my vax boxes.
Seconded. I almost never use SSH from Android, but JuiceSSH is my
go-to for the once-in-a-blue-moon occasion.
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2:18 p.m.
On 11/1/2021 3:11 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 at 22:07, Bill Degnan via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm going to go with Juicessh then, sounds just what I need. Thanks.
Having juicessh on my tablet will let me login to my machines on my home
network while I lay in bed.? You know, when you get that burning desire
to test something out just before you go to sleep.
Doug
Juicessh ap for android has telnet. I use it for
my vax boxes.
Seconded. I almost never use SSH from Android, but JuiceSSH is my
go-to for the once-in-a-blue-moon occasion.
4:21 p.m.
On Sun, 31 Oct 2021, 20:37 Chuck Guzis via cctalk,
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 10/31/21 1:06 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote:
Was always a fan of links for web browsing on my VAXstation 90, I
think I never got anything bigger than dillo or netsurf to run
natively. Of course it also made a workable X display for Firefox from
a bigger machine :-p. (this was not under VMS tho')
As others have said JuiceSSH supports telnet which should be fine for
VMS and ssh or even mosh for Linux or other 'nixes
I would like to use my tablet, Samsung Tab E
model SM-T560NU, to connect
to my VAX and Linux computers. There seem to be a large number of
'Apps' out there. What is a good one to use?
The VAX doesn't have SSH only insecure TELNET. Another can of worms,
SSH on the Vax?
You might do what I do--isolate your vintage/old machines on their own
sub-net with no connection to the outside. It's not as if you'll do web
browsing on the VAX, after all. 
31 Oct
31 Oct
2:12 p.m.
On 10/31/21 2:06 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I would like to use my tablet ... to connect to my VAX
and Linux
computers.
That sounds reasonable enough to me. I dislike tablet keyboards for
interactive use, but to each their own.
There seem to be a large number of 'Apps' out
there. What is a good
one to use?
I don't know what to recommend for Android. I think the app that I used
a long time ago on iDevices has been discontinued. :-(
The VAX doesn't have SSH only insecure TELNET.
As others have indicated, use another device that's connected to the
(protected ~> isolated LAN ~> cross over cable) VAX and the rest of your
network. SSH to that device and connect to the VAX from there.
I just tried the following trick with SSH as a one step process and it
seemed to work fairly well for me.
ssh -W <VAX host>:23 <bastion host>
This causes SSH to initiate a secure connection to <bastion host> and
forward the raw connection (which is otherwise protected by SSH's
wrapping) to <VAX host>:23. So you run an ssh command and get what
looks almost identical to the result of a telnet command.
If your ssh client or server doesn't support -W <host>:<port> -- forward
standard input and output on the client be forwarded to <port> on <host>
-- then you can do the same type of thing by sshing to the host normally
and running a netcat command; e.g. nc <host>:<port>.
There is also a possibility that your telnet client supports TLS
protected telnet to the <bastion host> which removes the TLS protection
and forwards the unprotected traffic to the VAX.
I'll only tip my hat to other more esoteric things that fall into the
broad category of VPN.
I'd try the ssh -W <VAX host>:23 <bastion host> first.
Another can of worms, SSH on the Vax?
Oy vey! I'm not touching that. I don't know nearly enough. That looks
like Mount Everest to me from my place of ignorance.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
7:27 p.m.
Hello, Douglas:
On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 04:06:53PM -0400, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I would like to use my tablet, Samsung Tab E model
SM-T560NU, to
connect to my VAX and Linux computers.? There seem to be a large
number of 'Apps' out there.? What is a good one to use?
Have a look at Termux, I use it to access all my old (and new) systems.
Enjoy it! :-)
Cheers,
?ngel
https://termux.com/
Termux is an Android terminal emulator and Linux environment app
that works directly with no rooting or setup required. A minimal
base system is installed automatically - additional packages are
available using the APT package manager.
Secure. Access remote servers using the ssh client from OpenSSH.
Termux combines standard packages with accurate terminal emulation
in a beautiful open source solution.
Feature packed. Take your pick between Bash, fish or Zsh and nano,
Emacs or Vim. Grep through your SMS inbox. Access API endpoints
with curl and use rsync to store backups of your contact list on a
remote server.
Customizable. Install what you want through the APT package
management system known from Debian and Ubuntu GNU/Linux. Why not
start with installing Git and syncing your dotfiles?
Explorable. Have you ever sat on a bus and wondered exactly which
arguments tar accepts? Packages available in Termux are the same
as those on Mac and Linux - install man pages on your phone and
read them in one session while experimenting with them in another.
With batteries included. Can you imagine a more powerful yet
elegant pocket calculator than a readline-powered Python console?
Up-to-date versions of Perl, Python, Ruby and Node.js are all
available.
Ready to scale up. Connect a Bluetooth keyboard and hook up your
device to an external display if you need to - Termux supports
keyboard shortcuts and has full mouse support.
Tinkerable. Develop by compiling Go, Rust, Swift, or C files with
Clang and build your own projects with CMake and pkg-config. Both
lldb/GDB and strace are available if you get stuck and need to
debug.
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