19 Aug
2011
19 Aug
'11
1:59 p.m.
Anyone interested in an AT&T 6300?
Got one with monitor, keyboard and printer. Did have a full set of
manuals, but someone bought those.
If no response by tomorrow, I'll consider it e-junk.
--Chuck
19 Aug
19 Aug
2:03 p.m.
On 08/19/2011 04:59 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Anyone interested in an AT&T 6300?
Got one with monitor, keyboard and printer. Did have a full set of
manuals, but someone bought those.
If no response by tomorrow, I'll consider it e-junk.
Oooh, yes! Grand machines they are; I sold and serviced them when
they were current. Where are you again?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
2:34 p.m.
On 08/19/2011 05:24 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Crap. I am overextended due to the move, no way I can afford to ship
something like that right now. If you're willing to sit on it for a
while, I'll definitely give it a home, but it can't be immediate.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Oooh, yes!
Grand machines they are; I sold and serviced them when
they were current. Where are you again?
Other side of the country--Eugene, OR.
2:42 p.m.
On 19 Aug 2011 at 17:34, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 08/19/2011 05:24 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Crap. I am overextended due to the move, no way I can afford to
ship
something like that right now. If you're willing to sit on it for a
while, I'll definitely give it a home, but it can't be immediate.
Sure, can do. Just don't forget it!
--Chuck
Oooh,
yes! Grand machines they are; I sold and serviced them
when
they were current. Where are you again?
Other side of the country--Eugene, OR.
3:11 p.m.
On 08/19/2011 05:42 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Crap. I am overextended due to the move, no way I can afford to
ship
something like that right now. If you're willing to sit on it for a
while, I'll definitely give it a home, but it can't be immediate.
Sure, can do. Just don't forget it!
Thank you. You may need to remind me after things settle down a bit
here.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Oooh,
yes! Grand machines they are; I sold and serviced them
when
they were current. Where are you again?
Other side of the country--Eugene, OR. 
3:29 p.m.
just put a note on the machean email this dude by this date or something
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 08/19/2011 05:42 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Oooh, yes! Grand machines they are; I sold
and serviced them
Sure, can do. Just don't forget it!
Thank you. You may need to remind me after things settle down a bit here.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
>
when
> they were current. Where are you again?
>
Other side of the country--Eugene, OR.
Crap. I am overextended due to the move, no way I can afford to
ship
something like that right now. If you're willing to sit on it for a
while, I'll definitely give it a home, but it can't be immediate.
3:33 p.m.
color monitor or mono? mouse missing in action?
steve
On 8/19/2011 1:59 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Anyone interested in an AT&T 6300?
Got one with monitor, keyboard and printer. Did have a full set of
manuals, but someone bought those.
If no response by tomorrow, I'll consider it e-junk.
--Chuck
4:50 p.m.
On 08/19/2011 07:43 PM, steve shumaker wrote:
thanks. on the watch for a color monitor and the
nonstandard mouse!
Me too. :) The color monitors they shipped with those machines sure
were nice. Actually the monos are pretty nice too.
And I LOVE those keyboards!
Overall they are very nice machines.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
6:41 p.m.
On 08/19/2011 09:08 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
I don't, but I'd definitely keep them out of the dumpster.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
And I LOVE
those keyboards!
Overall they are very nice machines.
Forgot to mention that it comes with a set of manuals, if you need
them.
9:33 p.m.
what does a "set" consist of? mine came with 3 volumes: the user's
guide, MS-DOS, and GW-BASIC. Is there something else for the basic system?
Steve
On 8/19/2011 6:41 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 08/19/2011 09:08 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
I don't, but I'd definitely keep them out of the dumpster.
-Dave
And I
LOVE those keyboards!
Overall they are very nice machines.
Forgot to mention that it comes with a set of manuals, if you need
them. 
26 Aug
26 Aug
11:43 a.m.
--- On Fri, 8/19/11, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Who say he has to put them in the dumpster. Just put them along a major thoroughfare in
Eugene. Someone will be by before long.
Forgot to
mention that it comes with a set of manuals,
if you need
them.
? I don't, but I'd definitely keep them out of the
dumpster.
11:41 a.m.
--- On Fri, 8/19/11, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
? Overall they are very nice machines.
Oh no they're not. Nobody told me the cpu guts were buried under the motherboard, so
I threw one out (I found it in the snow in Freehold, NJ alongside route 9). And those
darned emi copper springs were always falling all over the place.
Ok, the issue is it was made kind of too well. But nobody cares. It's a basic pain.
I still do have 1 though (I think). And maybe even the Xerox ??? which was it's twin
brother. The other twin brother wore the actual Olivetti tags. I want the color card real
bad though. And the monitor. I think I know a bloke who has it but all of a sudden he
found religion, and is crazy about everything that says AT & T on it. This unit
wasn't even made by A*, and the monitor is probably Mitsubishi (but that's just a
wild guess, and likely incorrect anyway).
4 Sep
4 Sep
3:58 p.m.
On 08/26/2011 02:41 PM, Chris M wrote:
--- On Fri, 8/19/11, Dave McGuire<mcguire at
neurotica.com> wrote:
Ohhhhh yes they are. :)
Overall they are very nice machines.
Oh no they're not. Nobody told me the cpu guts were buried under the
motherboard, so I threw one out (I found it in the snow in Freehold,
NJ alongside route 9).
Why would the location of the motherboard cause you to trash a machine?
And those darned emi copper springs were
always falling all over the place.
If they're abused, yes.
Ok, the issue is it was made kind of too well. But
nobody cares. It's a basic pain.
I guess I just don't follow that logic. *I* care (not that you
should care about the fact that I care ;)) because I sold and serviced
those machines when they were new, and was always impressed by them for
a number of reasons.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
4:32 p.m.
I used to service those "things" - Olivetta crapolla IMHO
Dave McGuire wrote:
On 08/26/2011 02:41 PM, Chris M wrote:
--- On Fri, 8/19/11, Dave McGuire<mcguire at
neurotica.com> wrote:
Ohhhhh yes they are. :)
Overall they are very nice machines.
Oh no they're not. Nobody told me the cpu guts were buried under
the
motherboard, so I threw one out (I found it in the snow in Freehold,
NJ alongside route 9).
Why would the location of the motherboard cause you to trash a machine?
And those darned emi copper springs were
always falling all over the place.
If they're abused, yes.
Ok, the issue is it was made kind of too well.
But nobody cares. It's
a basic pain.
I guess I just don't follow that logic. *I* care (not that you
should care about the fact that I care ;)) because I sold and serviced
those machines when they were new, and was always impressed by them
for a number of reasons.
-Dave
4:37 p.m.
Well to each his own. I used to service them too, and I've always
liked them.
-Dave
On 09/04/2011 07:32 PM, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote:
I used to service those "things" - Olivetta
crapolla IMHO
Dave McGuire wrote:
> On 08/26/2011 02:41 PM, Chris M wrote:
>> --- On Fri, 8/19/11, Dave McGuire<mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Overall they are very nice machines.
>>
>> Oh no they're not.
>
> Ohhhhh yes they are. :)
>
>> Nobody told me the cpu guts were buried under the
>> motherboard, so I threw one out (I found it in the snow in Freehold,
>> NJ alongside route 9).
>
> Why would the location of the motherboard cause you to trash a machine?
>
>> And those darned emi copper springs were
>> always falling all over the place.
>
> If they're abused, yes.
>
>> Ok, the issue is it was made kind of too well. But nobody cares. It's
>> a basic pain.
>
> I guess I just don't follow that logic. *I* care (not that you should
> care about the fact that I care ;)) because I sold and serviced those
> machines when they were new, and was always impressed by them for a
> number of reasons.
>
> -Dave
>
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
8 Sep
8 Sep
10:30 a.m.
> Nobody
told me the cpu guts were buried under the
> motherboard, so I threw one out (I found it in the
snow in Freehold,
NJ
alongside route 9).
???Why would the location of the
9 Sep
9 Sep
12:48 a.m.
On 8 Sep 2011 at 10:30, Chris M wrote:
And incidentally, I do like them. I just somehow
dislike them at the
same time (they're just different, unorthodox in some ways). They
earned general high marks w/me, being they were pretty much fully
compatible, and yet had that 640 x 400 color option. I've never owned
a color capable 6300/M24/Xerox ?, but still want to :(
One bonus is that they work very well with a modern VGA monitor--at
least the one I have does (rev. P8 video).
But I'll agree with the unorthodox part. But that inverted
motherboard means that the NiCad clock battery (it has a clock) when
it leaks, the goo goes *down*, off the board instead of coming down
onto it.
I expect that most of the 6300 batteries in existence have leaked in
the 25 years since this system was introduced.
But the video card serving the purpose of bridging the "bus
converter" board and the main CPU board and supplying power to both
is a little bizarre.
I can't say that I like the keyboard and there's not a lot of room
for hard drives in the case (Olivetti/AT&T did offer a sidecar if
more room was needed).
What was the application of the Z8530 SCC (socket normally
unpopulated)?
--Chuck
10:28 a.m.
I didn't know the guts were under the motherboard
proper (or more accura=
tely on the underside of the mobo). So I scrounged the memory and whatnot=
, and tossed the rest out. I had assumed that this unit was missing the c=
pu card, seeing there wasn't one present, as would be the case in a prope=
r well bred fine piece of computing garbage.
I know it's easy to be wise in retrospect, but that's why you remove
every bit of casing uyou can ;-)
Hang on though... IIRC this machine there are external connectors
(keyboard, printer, probably RS232) on thr CPU board. If you take the top
cover off the machine, you can't see the backs of these conenctors, which
should imply there's something hidden under the main chassis.
Incidentally, some later Olivetti machines had a more traditional passive
backplane design with the CPU/memory on an ISA card.
Repeat it was in the not knowing where the guts were that made me to per=
form this horrible act of indecency.
And incidentally, I do like them. I just somehow dislike them at the sam=
e time (they're just different, unorthodox in some ways). They earned gen=
I thought we tended to like the unorthodox stuff here :-)
eral high marks w/me, being they were pretty much
fully compatible, and y=
et had that 640 x 400 color option. I've never owned a color capable 6300=
/M24/Xerox ?, but still want to :(
My HP series 9000 PC305 is also missing it's cpu card (and the 68000 boa=
rd thing also). Don't worry, I thoroughly checked underneath the motherbo=
ard - nothing there. If anyone can help me out, I'd be most indebted.
This can be another result of board-swapping :-(. The previous owner
finds a board has failed (ither from the diagnostics, or by swapping it
with one in a similar machine) and then throws out the defective board
becuase it's (incorrectly) believed it can't be repaired. Oh well...
-tony
12 Sep
12 Sep
8:46 a.m.
--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Hang on though... IIRC this machine there are
external
connectors
(keyboard, printer, probably RS232) on thr CPU board. If
you take the top
cover off the machine, you can't see the backs of these
conenctors, which
should imply there's something hidden under the main
chassis.
Yes but I wasn't that smart back then. Only slightly smarter now, which isn't
saying much.
Incidentally, some later Olivetti machines had a more
traditional passive
backplane design with the CPU/memory on an ISA card.
Well when I run into those, they're getting the once over no matter what! You
betcha!
I thought we tended to like the unorthodox stuff here
:-)
True, but I find some stuff to be beautiful (alluring?) because it's so plain, hum
drum. Hard to understand maybe. But take for instance the Atari PC? I saw on ebay.canada
years ago. Haven't seen it since. Perhaps it was a mod or a strange one off. It was so
freaking a plain beige box it was tantalizing. Don't know why. I'm strange I
guess.
This can be another result of board-swapping :-(. The
previous owner
finds a board has failed (ither from the diagnostics, or by
swapping it
with one in a similar machine) and then throws out the
defective board
becuase it's (incorrectly) believed it can't be
repaired.? Oh well...
Actually it's probably none of that. I have obtained cpu boards from this same guy.
He likes to tear out the guts oftentimes, scrounge the uP in particular. I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled everything out of the thing, and left the case on the stoop (porch)
for dead, where I scrounged it. Anything is possible. I might need to go through his piles
of stuff one day soon to see if I can salvage this box. Because I love it. Did get a
couple of very rare monitors off this guy, for free, so I guess I can't complain w/any
legitimacy.
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