21 Oct
2003
21 Oct
'03
8:19 a.m.
Hi Brian.
I need the manual of 16C, I seek all place, but can?t find.
Can you help me?
29 Oct
29 Oct
12:03 a.m.
I'm assuming that you mean for the HP-16C. If so go the the HP Calculator
museum (http://www.hpmuseum.org/) and buy the set of manual CDs. That's the
only place where you're likely to find one other than $$E-Bay$$.
Joe
At 04:19 PM 10/21/03 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Brian.
I need the manual of 16C, I seek all place, but can?t find.
Can you help me?
3 Nov
3 Nov
4:03 a.m.
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are these in the public domain? it seems we should scan them and put them
online...
ed sharpe archivist for smecc
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I'm assuming that you mean for the HP-16C. If so
go the the HP
Calculator
museum (http://www.hpmuseum.org/) and buy the set of
manual CDs. That's
the
only place where you're likely to find one other
than $$E-Bay$$.
Joe
At 04:19 PM 10/21/03 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Brian.
I need the manual of 16C, I seek all place, but can?t find.
Can you help me?
7:51 a.m.
New subject: *********Re: Manual 16c
At 11:03 AM 11/3/03 -0700, you wrote:
are these in the public domain?
I don't know if they're exactly public domain but HP has given their
permission for peeople to copy them and sell copies and PDF copies. Dave
Hicks at the HP Calculator Museum website is selling CDs with copies of the
manuals.
Joe
it seems we should scan them and put them
online...
ed sharpe archivist for smecc
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Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: Manual 16c
I'm assuming that you mean for the HP-16C.
If so go the the HP
Calculator
museum (http://www.hpmuseum.org/) and buy the set
of manual CDs. That's
the
only place where you're likely to find one
other than $$E-Bay$$.
Joe
At 04:19 PM 10/21/03 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Brian.
I need the manual of 16C, I seek all place, but can?t find.
Can you help me?
8:11 p.m.
New subject: *********Re: Manual 16c
well the CD I would imagine is nice but for the kid that finds the calc at
a garage sale and just wants to play I doubt he would want to buy the
cd... I still think there is a place for the downloadable version!
ed sharpe archivist for smecc
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From: "Joe" <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: *********Re: Manual 16c
At 11:03 AM 11/3/03 -0700, you wrote:
the
are these in the public domain?
I don't know if they're exactly public domain but HP has given their
permission for peeople to copy them and sell copies and PDF copies. Dave
Hicks at the HP Calculator Museum website is selling CDs with copies of manuals.
Joe
it seems we should scan them and put them
>online...
>
>ed sharpe archivist for smecc
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joe" <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
>To: <comex(a)vigamil.cl>cl>; "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: Manual 16c
I'm assuming that you mean for the HP-16C.
If so go the the HP
Calculator
museum (http://www.hpmuseum.org/) and buy the set
of manual CDs. That's
the
only place where you're likely to find one
other than $$E-Bay$$.
Joe
At 04:19 PM 10/21/03 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Brian.
I need the manual of 16C, I seek all place, but can?t find.
Can you help me?
4 Nov
4 Nov
5:31 a.m.
New subject: *********Re: Manual 16c
Joe wrote about HP calculator manuals:
I don't know if they're exactly public
domain but HP has given their
permission for peeople to copy them and sell copies and PDF copies.
HP hasn't given "people" permission to do that. They gave Dave Hicks
permission to do it. They might give permission to other people if
they were asked, or they might not.
6:10 a.m.
New subject: *********Re: Manual 16c
At 11:31 AM 11/4/03 -0800, you wrote:
Joe wrote about HP calculator manuals:
I believe that they gave blanket permission for anyone to do that.
They might give permission to other people if
I don't know if they're exactly public
domain but HP has given their
permission for peeople to copy them and sell copies and PDF copies.
HP hasn't given "people" permission to do that. They gave Dave Hicks
permission to do it. they were asked, or they might not.
There's only one way to find out. Ask them.
Joe
7:36 a.m.
New subject: *********Re: Manual 16c
Joe Rigdon and I wrote:
I believe that they gave blanket permission for anyone to do
that.
Got any idea where/when that happened? From personal correspondence
with Dave Hicks, I know that he specifically requested and received
permission, but I have not heard of anyone else doing so, nor of any
blanket permission. If they have in fact done that, it would be quite
useful, but it doesn't seem like something that HP's lawyers would be
likely to do.
Eric
I don't know if they're exactly public domain
but HP has given their
permission for peeople to copy them and sell copies and PDF copies.
HP hasn't
given "people" permission to do that. They gave Dave Hicks
permission to do it. 
8:21 a.m.
New subject: *********Re: Manual 16c
I've got contacts within HP's legal group. If we can define the scope of what
we'd like released; i.e., calculator and computer manuals before 1980, or
whatever, I'll be glad to try to get their release under HP copyright (I
wouldn't bother to try for public domain).
Lyle
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 13:36, Eric Smith wrote:
Joe Rigdon and I wrote:
I believe that they gave blanket permission for anyone to do that.
Got any idea where/when that happened? From personal correspondence
with Dave Hicks, I know that he specifically requested and received
permission, but I have not heard of anyone else doing so, nor of any
blanket permission. If they have in fact done that, it would be quite
useful, but it doesn't seem like something that HP's lawyers would be
likely to do.
Eric
--
Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
Mountain View, CA 94040
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
I don't know if they're exactly public domain
but HP has given their
permission for peeople to copy them and sell copies and PDF copies.
HP hasn't given "people" permission to do that. They gave Dave Hicks
permission to do it.
13 Nov
13 Nov
3:30 a.m.
New subject: *********Re: Manual 16c
lets see what can be done on this. we now have the server space to handle
this endeavor!
Thanks!
Ed Sharpe Archivist for SMECC
See the Southwest Museum of Engineering, Communications and Computation
online at:
http://www.smecc.org
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From: "Lyle Bickley" <lbickley(a)bickleywest.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: *********Re: Manual 16c
I've got contacts within HP's legal group. If
we can define the scope of
what
we'd like released; i.e., calculator and computer
manuals before 1980, or
whatever, I'll be glad to try to get their release under HP copyright (I
wouldn't bother to try for public domain).
Lyle
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 13:36, Eric Smith wrote:
Joe Rigdon and I wrote:
Got any idea where/when that happened? From personal correspondence
with Dave Hicks, I know that he specifically requested and received
permission, but I have not heard of anyone else doing so, nor of any
blanket permission. If they have in fact done that, it would be quite
useful, but it doesn't seem like something that HP's lawyers would be
likely to do.
Eric
--
Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
Mountain View, CA 94040
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
> I
don't know if they're exactly public domain but HP has given their
> permission for peeople to copy them and sell copies and PDF copies.
HP hasn't given "people" permission to do that. They gave Dave Hicks
permission to do it.
I believe that they gave blanket permission for anyone to do that.
2:36 a.m.
New subject: *********Re: Manual 16c
O.K., I'll begin the process of seeing what needs to be done to get a
release...
Lyle
On Thursday 13 November 2003 09:30, Ed Sharpe wrote:
lets see what can be done on this. we now have the
server space to handle
this endeavor!
Thanks!
Ed Sharpe Archivist for SMECC
See the Southwest Museum of Engineering, Communications and Computation
online at:
http://www.smecc.org
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From: "Lyle Bickley" <lbickley(a)bickleywest.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: *********Re: Manual 16c
--
Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
Mountain View, CA 94040
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
I've got contacts within HP's legal
group. If we can define the scope of
what
> we'd like released; i.e., calculator and computer manuals before 1980, or
> whatever, I'll be glad to try to get their release under HP copyright (I
> wouldn't bother to try for public domain).
>
> Lyle
>
> On Tuesday 04 November 2003 13:36, Eric Smith wrote:
> > Joe Rigdon and I wrote:
> > >>> I don't know if they're exactly public domain but HP has
given
> > >>> their permission for peeople to copy them and sell copies and PDF
> > >>> copies.
> > >>
> > >> HP hasn't given "people" permission to do that. They
gave Dave
> > >> Hicks permission to do it.
> > >
> > > I believe that they gave blanket permission for anyone to do that.
> >
> > Got any idea where/when that happened? From personal correspondence
> > with Dave Hicks, I know that he specifically requested and received
> > permission, but I have not heard of anyone else doing so, nor of any
> > blanket permission. If they have in fact done that, it would be quite
> > useful, but it doesn't seem like something that HP's lawyers would be
> > likely to do.
> >
> > Eric
>
> --
> Lyle Bickley
> Bickley Consulting West Inc.
> Mountain View, CA 94040
> "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
6:35 a.m.
New subject: *********Re: Manual 16c
Ed Sharpe wrote:
lets see what can be done on this. we now have the
server space to handle
this endeavor!
Server space is easy. I have 300 GB (not MB, GB!) of server space I'm not
yet using. But can you afford the bandwidth to serve up something that will
be in high demand? My server has connectivity sufficient to burst to
nearly 100 Mbps, and I've actually seen transfers across the Internet at
better than 60 Mbps. But if my 95th percentile bandwidth goes above
256 Kbps, I start paying a lot more.
16 Nov
16 Nov
7:22 a.m.
New subject: *********Re: Manual 16c
bandwidth is not a problem!
let the data flow!
right jay?
ed!
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From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com>
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and
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Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: *********Re: Manual 16c
will
Ed Sharpe wrote:
> lets see what can be done on this. we now have the server space to
handle
this endeavor!
Server space is easy. I have 300 GB (not MB, GB!) of server space I'm not
yet using. But can you afford the bandwidth to serve up something that be in high demand? My server has connectivity
sufficient to burst to
nearly 100 Mbps, and I've actually seen transfers across the Internet at
better than 60 Mbps. But if my 95th percentile bandwidth goes above
256 Kbps, I start paying a lot more.
4 Nov
4 Nov
9:03 a.m.
New subject: *********Re: Manual 16c
At 01:36 PM 11/4/03 -0800, you wrote:
Joe Rigdon and I wrote:
I believe that they gave blanket permission for anyone to do
that.
Got any idea where/when that happened?
No, not exactly but that's what I was told at one the HP calculator
conferences a couple of years ago. I think it was Richard Nelson that told
me that.
From personal correspondence
I don't know if they're exactly public domain
but HP has given their
permission for peeople to copy them and sell copies and PDF copies.
HP hasn't
given "people" permission to do that. They gave Dave Hicks
permission to do it. with Dave Hicks, I know that he specifically requested
and received
permission, but I have not heard of anyone else doing so, nor of any
blanket permission. If they have in fact done that, it would be quite
useful, but it doesn't seem like something that HP's lawyers would be
likely to do.
Why not? If they're going to let Dave copy and sell CDs then why not let
everyone do it?
Joe
Eric
10:17 a.m.
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Joe asks:
Why not? If they're going to let Dave copy and
sell CDs then why not let
everyone do it?
Ya gotta try to think like a lawyer to understand stuff like this.
To a laywer, granting any sort of permission to any party potentially
creates liability. Does granting permission to reproduce old calculator
manuals *really* create any liability? Probably not. But NOT granting
permission definitely doesn't. Thus the answer "no" is the safe answer,
and the one legal is most likely to give.
To get an answer other than "no", you usually have to have someone inside
the company (but not in legal) championing the cause. Granting blanket
permission for everyone to do something is seen as even more potential
liability than granting permission to one person or a group.
5:25 a.m.
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"Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net> wrote about the HP-16C manual?
are these in the public domain? it seems we should
scan them and put
them online...
No, HP holds the copyright. Why would you think it would be public
domain? Almost *nothing* is public domain, especially since the US
ratified the Berne Convention. Between that and Congress routinely
extending the term of copyrights (so that the copyright on Steamboat
Willie doesn't lapse and bankrupt Disney), the only way things enter the
public domain is if there owners take positive action to place them
there. :-(
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