1 May
2015
1 May
'15
5:25 p.m.
Is there a way to identify which DEC plant manufactured a specific piece of equipment?
I'm certainly aware of the Maynard, Massachusetts label on my equipment and I'm
pretty sure I've seen DEC Kanata, Canada on flipchip handles. Maybe even PR serial
numbers on computers built in Puerto Rico.
Can anyone supply any more extensive and/or detailed information?
Thanks,
Jack
1 May
1 May
5:27 p.m.
Jack,
I?ve collated DEC facility codes from a few sites I have found and put them into a table.
This is from the serial number, so possibly anything that has a serial number might be
decodable.
Hope it helps.
Ian
http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes <http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes>
On May 1, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Jack Rubin <j at
ckrubin.us> wrote:
Is there a way to identify which DEC plant manufactured a specific piece of equipment?
I'm certainly aware of the Maynard, Massachusetts label on my equipment and I'm
pretty sure I've seen DEC Kanata, Canada on flipchip handles. Maybe even PR serial
numbers on computers built in Puerto Rico.
Can anyone supply any more extensive and/or detailed information?
Thanks,
Jack
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6:40 p.m.
How cool, thanks, Ian! Looks like my VAX herd is mostly from Albuquerque,
with a few from Westfield to round out the mix. I was curious about my
11/34 as well but I can't cursorily locate the serial tag on it. I'll have
to give it a more thorough once-over at some point ... Neat :O
Best,
Sean
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Jack,
I?ve collated DEC facility codes from a few sites I have found and put
them into a table. This is from the serial number, so possibly anything
that has a serial number might be decodable.
Hope it helps.
Ian
http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes <
http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes>
On May 1, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Jack Rubin <j at
ckrubin.us> wrote:
Is there a way to identify which DEC plant manufactured a specific piece
of
equipment? I'm certainly aware of the Maynard, Massachusetts label on my
equipment and I'm pretty sure I've seen DEC Kanata, Canada on flipchip
handles. Maybe even PR serial numbers on computers built in Puerto Rico.
Can anyone supply any more extensive and/or detailed information?
Thanks,
Jack
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On 5/1/2015 3:40 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
How cool, thanks, Ian! Looks like my VAX herd is
mostly from Albuquerque,
with a few from Westfield to round out the mix. I was curious about my
11/34 as well but I can't cursorily locate the serial tag on it. I'll have
to give it a more thorough once-over at some point ... Neat :O
Many of the PDP-11s in the 70s/80s were built in the DEC plants in Puerto Rico
(Aguadilla
and San German). DEC ran their own charter aircraft between Worcester and Puerto
Rico
back then that carried parts and people back and forth. If I recall it was a
Lockheed Constellation
that had a big cargo bay amidship, and a small 6 to 8 cabin in the tail of the
aircraft. When I
was with the DEC PDP-11 diagnostic group back inr the late 70s I went down to
Aguadilla on
this aircraft to bring up the 11/60 diagnostics at the site for manufacturing
use. Days on the
floor helping debug issues in manufacturing, nites at the local bar on the
beach. I just remember
the rats in the palm trees staring down at us while we drank and ate. And of
course snorkling
at the beach when the weekend came.
I believe on many of the inspection stickers you might see AG (Aguadilla) or SG
(San German)
and WF (Westfield, MA which did final assembly).
Don
9:30 p.m.
Ah! I see it, stamped "AG". Cool. Thanks! Neat backstory, sounds like a
good time.
Best,
Sean
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Don North <north at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
On 5/1/2015 3:40 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
How cool, thanks, Ian! Looks like my VAX herd is
mostly from Albuquerque,
with a few from Westfield to round out the mix. I was curious about my
11/34 as well but I can't cursorily locate the serial tag on it. I'll have
to give it a more thorough once-over at some point ... Neat :O
Many of the PDP-11s in the 70s/80s were built in the DEC plants in Puerto
Rico (Aguadilla
and San German). DEC ran their own charter aircraft between Worcester and
Puerto Rico
back then that carried parts and people back and forth. If I recall it was
a Lockheed Constellation
that had a big cargo bay amidship, and a small 6 to 8 cabin in the tail of
the aircraft. When I
was with the DEC PDP-11 diagnostic group back inr the late 70s I went down
to Aguadilla on
this aircraft to bring up the 11/60 diagnostics at the site for
manufacturing use. Days on the
floor helping debug issues in manufacturing, nites at the local bar on the
beach. I just remember
the rats in the palm trees staring down at us while we drank and ate. And
of course snorkling
at the beach when the weekend came.
I believe on many of the inspection stickers you might see AG (Aguadilla)
or SG (San German)
and WF (Westfield, MA which did final assembly).
Don
2 May
2 May
4:11 a.m.
Very cool story Don! Thanks for sharing.
On 2 May 2015 at 02:30, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote:
Ah! I see it, stamped "AG". Cool. Thanks!
Neat backstory, sounds like a
good time.
Best,
Sean
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Don North <north at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
was
On 5/1/2015 3:40 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
> How cool, thanks, Ian! Looks like my VAX herd is mostly from
Albuquerque,
> with a few from Westfield to round out the
mix. I was curious about my
> 11/34 as well but I can't cursorily locate the serial tag on it. I'll
have
to give
it a more thorough once-over at some point ... Neat :O
Many of the PDP-11s in the 70s/80s were built in the DEC plants in Puerto
Rico (Aguadilla
and San German). DEC ran their own charter aircraft between Worcester and
Puerto Rico
back then that carried parts and people back and forth. If I recall it a Lockheed Constellation
that had a big cargo bay amidship, and a small 6 to 8 cabin in the tail
of
the aircraft. When I
was with the DEC PDP-11 diagnostic group back inr the late 70s I went
down
to Aguadilla on
this aircraft to bring up the 11/60 diagnostics at the site for
manufacturing use. Days on the
floor helping debug issues in manufacturing, nites at the local bar on
the
beach. I just remember
the rats in the palm trees staring down at us while we drank and ate. And
of course snorkling
at the beach when the weekend came.
I believe on many of the inspection stickers you might see AG (Aguadilla)
or SG (San German)
and WF (Westfield, MA which did final assembly).
Don
4 May
4 May
1:29 p.m.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Don North <north at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Many of the PDP-11s in the 70s/80s were built in the
DEC plants in Puerto Rico (Aguadilla
and San German). DEC ran their own charter aircraft between Worcester and Puerto Rico
As a fun aside, one of the PR plants, as well a PDP-8e and some board
assembly, has a brief cameo in the Mystery Science Theater 3000 short
"Progress Island USA." I've cued up the scene at the time marker
here:
https://youtu.be/ZlyaVk8PKwQ?t=532
Although I've seen that short a dozen times, it was only just now that
I noticed the Perkin-Elmer building, too.
Don - what was the deal with the UFO parked out front?
-j
5 May
5 May
1:26 a.m.
I can remember visiting two plants when they were in full production
Westfield MA: made LA-36's (30cps printing terminal) .
They were tested in large rooms.
A flag on short tube was attached to the carriage and all of the
terminals driven from the same source.
If a carriage stopped moving you could see it clearly. It ment a failure
or out of paper.
A golf cart carrying paper, replacement boards and printing units drove
around fixing failures and supplying paper.
Galway: was a systems FA and T plant All of the parts came in on
chartered cargo planes
then they were assembed to suit the customers order.
The vast majority of the staff were hired and trained locally. They were
pretty good too.
However once they managed to get a quad board into a system with two
sets of fingers in one backplane row
and two in the next row down.
Rod Smallwood
On 04/05/2015 18:29, Jason T wrote:
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Don North <north at
alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Many of the PDP-11s in the 70s/80s were built in
the DEC plants in Puerto Rico (Aguadilla
and San German). DEC ran their own charter aircraft between Worcester and Puerto Rico
As a fun aside, one of the PR plants, as well a PDP-8e and some board
assembly, has a brief cameo in the Mystery Science Theater 3000 short
"Progress Island USA." I've cued up the scene at the time marker
here:
https://youtu.be/ZlyaVk8PKwQ?t=532
Although I've seen that short a dozen times, it was only just now that
I noticed the Perkin-Elmer building, too.
Don - what was the deal with the UFO parked out front?
-j 
5:38 a.m.
I think the best one I ever saw was an LA36 at our Heathrow warehouse.
I worked for the Terminals Product Line and one of my jobs was to go
with the insurance man
to look at damaged in transit claims.
LA36's were shipped screwed to something like a half sized pallet,
Then a cardboard box with no top or bottom over that and finally a lid
on top
Then the usual strapping holding lid and box to the pallet.
They would be unloaded off the plane by fork lift truck.
They had managed to get one fork through the cardboard outer,
then through the back of the steel plinth, the two circuit boards inside,
the front of the plinth and then the other side of the box.
I was told that the loss adjuster (who took photos for reference)
had that picture on his wall for years.
Rod
On 05/05/2015 07:10, Eric Smith wrote:
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Rod Smallwood
<rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
However once they managed to get a quad board
into a system with two sets of
fingers in one backplane row
and two in the next row down.
That's quite an impressive feat! 
9:16 a.m.
On May 5, 2015, at 5:38 AM, Rod Smallwood
<rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
I think the best one I ever saw was an LA36 at our Heathrow warehouse.
I worked for the Terminals Product Line and one of my jobs was to go with the insurance
man
to look at damaged in transit claims.
LA36's were shipped screwed to something like a half sized pallet,
Then a cardboard box with no top or bottom over that and finally a lid on top
Then the usual strapping holding lid and box to the pallet.
They would be unloaded off the plane by fork lift truck.
They had managed to get one fork through the cardboard outer,
then through the back of the steel plinth, the two circuit boards inside,
the front of the plinth and then the other side of the box.
There?s a story (possibly true) about an RP03 that was being air-shipped from Boston
airport. The pallet was not properly strapped down, so when the plane applied takeoff
power, the plane started moving but the RP03 stayed in place. It exited through the rear
fuselage and landed on the tarmac, bending the corner of the frame quite a lot.
It was taken back to Maynard for inspection. The local techs put a couple of bricks under
the bent corner and applied power. The drive worked fine.
paul
10:08 a.m.
On 2015-05-05 15:16, Paul Koning wrote:
I suspect it's not true. While I can believe the drive not being
properly secured, I do not think it would exit the airplane. Witness the
military 747 that went down in Afghanistan(?) where the internal cargo
shifted enough that the plane couldn't fly anymore. The cargo still
stayed inside the plane, and I suspect that was a hell of a lot more
than an RP03...
I would expect the RP03 to have been banged up some, though. But maybe
still working.
Johnny
On May 5, 2015, at 5:38 AM, Rod Smallwood
<rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
I think the best one I ever saw was an LA36 at our Heathrow warehouse.
I worked for the Terminals Product Line and one of my jobs was to go with the insurance
man
to look at damaged in transit claims.
LA36's were shipped screwed to something like a half sized pallet,
Then a cardboard box with no top or bottom over that and finally a lid on top
Then the usual strapping holding lid and box to the pallet.
They would be unloaded off the plane by fork lift truck.
They had managed to get one fork through the cardboard outer,
then through the back of the steel plinth, the two circuit boards inside,
the front of the plinth and then the other side of the box.
There?s a story (possibly true) about an RP03 that was being air-shipped from Boston
airport. The pallet was not properly strapped down, so when the plane applied takeoff
power, the plane started moving but the RP03 stayed in place. It exited through the rear
fuselage and landed on the tarmac, bending the corner of the frame quite a lot.
It was taken back to Maynard for inspection. The local techs put a couple of bricks
under the bent corner and applied power. The drive worked fine.
10:57 a.m.
Well the other story I know but can't confirm also concerned a fork lift
truck and Heathrow.
DEC10's were shipped with the cabs bolted together and sitting on a long
shipping base.
The cargo plane (CL-44?) had a very wide door and the system could be
got in at a narrow
angle and secured on the centre line of the plane. This was done with
the help of a large scissor lift.
At Heathrow they did thereverse. Park the scissor lift at a not quite
parallel angle to the plane.
Push the system onto the scissor lift and lower to the ground. Then
crane it onto a low loader for transport to site.
Well one day there was no scissor lift at Heathrow and the plane was
needed elsewhere. Some bright spark
had the system pushed up to the doorway and put the lift truck forks
under the front end.and backed away swinging the front end out of the door.
A second truck then put its forks under about two thirds of the way
down and backed away. The back end cleared the door OK.
Sad to say the forks were not far enough under the system and it fell
off and went down abount twenty feet.
It was very bent. Then surprise surprise two days later a team from DEC
10 manufacturing arrived with several pallets of parts and proceed to
rebuild it then and there.
They did it in a week and the system was delivered on time with very
few knowing what had happed.
Rod Smallwood
On 05/05/2015 15:08, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-05-05 15:16, Paul Koning wrote:
I suspect it's not true. While I can believe the drive not being
properly secured, I do not think it would exit the airplane. Witness
the military 747 that went down in Afghanistan(?) where the internal
cargo shifted enough that the plane couldn't fly anymore. The cargo
still stayed inside the plane, and I suspect that was a hell of a lot
more than an RP03...
I would expect the RP03 to have been banged up some, though. But maybe
still working.
Johnny
On May 5, 2015, at 5:38 AM, Rod Smallwood
<rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
I think the best one I ever saw was an LA36 at our Heathrow warehouse.
I worked for the Terminals Product Line and one of my jobs was to go
with the insurance man
to look at damaged in transit claims.
LA36's were shipped screwed to something like a half sized pallet,
Then a cardboard box with no top or bottom over that and finally a
lid on top
Then the usual strapping holding lid and box to the pallet.
They would be unloaded off the plane by fork lift truck.
They had managed to get one fork through the cardboard outer,
then through the back of the steel plinth, the two circuit boards
inside,
the front of the plinth and then the other side of the box.
There?s a story (possibly true) about an RP03 that was being
air-shipped from Boston airport. The pallet was not properly
strapped down, so when the plane applied takeoff power, the plane
started moving but the RP03 stayed in place. It exited through the
rear fuselage and landed on the tarmac, bending the corner of the
frame quite a lot.
It was taken back to Maynard for inspection. The local techs put a
couple of bricks under the bent corner and applied power. The drive
worked fine. 
11:25 a.m.
On 5/5/2015 7:57 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
Well the other story I know but can't confirm also
concerned a fork
lift truck
I had an experience @ Microdata in the 70's with a forklift modified
system. The opposite was true. There were two holes the size of the
forks about even with the 1600 chassis which was mounted in the center
of the cabinet. Cabinet was just shy of 6' high. There was a verical
mounted reel to reel Microdata drive in the top of the cabinet, and 2
10mb Marathons (I think RL02 is same) drives in the bottom.
The entire bay and power supply was sheered off, as you could see
daylight thru the holes. No boards were useful, and as the forks went
thru the chassis, most ICs were scraped of leaving just remnants of pins
on the boards.
The problem with the peripherals was that there was good wiring from the
peripherals to the controllers in the bay. As the damage occurred to
the boards in the bay, in the form of them first all being shoved to one
side, then finally punched partially out the opposite side of the bay,
was that we had really good connectors. So the boards in the tape drive,
and the disk drives were torn so badly that those boards rendered the
entire system junk.
Only an 8" fan in the top and maybe if you stretched it the breaker box
in the bottom rear was useful.
That was what the insurance company needed to hear to justify a claim of
around $100,000 which was what a full Reality went for in the late 70's
in the heyday.
I had a reputation of trolling scrap bins and building systems in the
engineering area to play with, but I have to say that one took the cake
as far as junk. Not one thing of any use to steal from the cabinet.
The system is one like in this brochure.
http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/minicomputers/11/367/1984
Jim
10:08 a.m.
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
There?s a story (possibly true) about an RP03 that was being air-shipped
from Boston airport. The pallet was not properly strapped down, so when
the plane applied takeoff power, the plane started moving but the RP03
stayed in place. It exited through the rear fuselage and landed on the
tarmac, bending the corner of the frame quite a lot.
It was taken back to Maynard for inspection. The local techs put a couple
of bricks under the bent corner and applied power. The drive worked fine.
I spent about 20 minutes combing through the NTSB daatbase to try and find
the aviation incident but came up null. But there are similar stories of
Sun "big iron" being tipped poorly (specifically an SF15k) which
"fell" and
went back to Sun. Placed into a lab it started right up without issue. I
believe it become one of the systems used for Sun Education/training
classes.
10:21 a.m.
They probably sent it back out the door as an academic donation, LOL. :O
Best,
Sean
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jonathan Katz <jon at jonworld.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning at comcast.net>
wrote:
I spent about 20 minutes combing through the NTSB daatbase to try and find
the aviation incident but came up null. But there are similar stories of
Sun "big iron" being tipped poorly (specifically an SF15k) which
"fell" and
went back to Sun. Placed into a lab it started right up without issue. I
believe it become one of the systems used for Sun Education/training
classes.
There?s a story (possibly true) about an RP03 that was being air-shipped
from Boston airport. The pallet was not properly strapped down, so when
the plane applied takeoff power, the plane started moving but the RP03
stayed in place. It exited through the rear fuselage and landed on the
tarmac, bending the corner of the frame quite a lot.
It was taken back to Maynard for inspection. The local techs put a
couple
of bricks under the bent corner and applied
power. The drive worked
fine.
6 May
6 May
3:24 p.m.
Am 05.05.15 um 11:38 schrieb Rod Smallwood:
They would be unloaded off the plane by fork lift
truck.
This happened to some friends while rescueing a CDC Cyber 2000:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stiefkind/3053686013/in/set-72157609830931613
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stiefkind/3054523954/in/album-721576098309316…
--
tsch??,
Jochen
2 May
2 May
2:01 a.m.
I think we also had a plant in Ireland at a place called Mervue
Rod Smallwood
On 01/05/2015 23:40, Sean Caron wrote:
How cool, thanks, Ian! Looks like my VAX herd is
mostly from Albuquerque,
with a few from Westfield to round out the mix. I was curious about my
11/34 as well but I can't cursorily locate the serial tag on it. I'll have
to give it a more thorough once-over at some point ... Neat :O
Best,
Sean
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
> Jack,
>
> I?ve collated DEC facility codes from a few sites I have found and put
> them into a table. This is from the serial number, so possibly anything
> that has a serial number might be decodable.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> Ian
>
> http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes <
> http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes>
>
>
>> On May 1, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Jack Rubin <j at ckrubin.us> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to identify which DEC plant manufactured a specific piece
> of equipment? I'm certainly aware of the Maynard, Massachusetts label on my
> equipment and I'm pretty sure I've seen DEC Kanata, Canada on flipchip
> handles. Maybe even PR serial numbers on computers built in Puerto Rico.
>> Can anyone supply any more extensive and/or detailed information?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>>
>>
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7:14 a.m.
Ah yes ..
Thirty Years is a long time
Oh well ....
A Rose by any other name.....
On 02/05/2015 10:37, Peter Coghlan wrote:
Rod Smallwood wrote:
I think we also had a plant in Ireland at a place called Mervue
Mervue is Galway. Mervue is name of a place on the outskirts of
Galway city
where the plant was situated.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan. 
1 May
1 May
7:10 p.m.
Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Jack,
I've collated DEC facility codes from a few sites I have found and put them into a
table. This is from the serial number, so possibly anything that has a serial number
might be decodable.
Hope it helps.
Ian
http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes <http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes>
There are some more codes here:
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/1612
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
> On May 1, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Jack Rubin <j at ckrubin.us> wrote:
>
> Is there a way to identify which DEC plant manufactured a specific piece of
equipment? I'm certainly aware of the Maynard, Massachusetts label on my equipment and
I'm pretty sure I've seen DEC Kanata, Canada on flipchip handles. Maybe even PR
serial numbers on computers built in Puerto Rico.
>
> Can anyone supply any more extensive and/or detailed information?
>
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
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On May 1, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Peter Coghlan <cctalk
at beyondthepale.ie> wrote:
There are some more codes here:
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/1612
Thanks Peter. There were some new codes there since the last time I checked. I?ve added
the new ones to my table. I appreciate the update.
Ian
2 May
2 May
11:06 a.m.
On May 1, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Peter Coghlan <cctalk
at beyondthepale.ie> wrote:
Ian McLaughlin wrote:
A simple rule to remember: DEC originally had two-letter site codes. When they used them
all up, they switched to three letter codes, and converted all existing two letter codes
to three letters by appending ?O?. So if it ends in O, it was originally a two-letter
code; if it doesn?t (like SHR) then it was created after the change and it doesn?t have a
two-character equivalent.
I don?t remember that ZK was ever a manufacturing site so I wouldn?t expect to see it in a
serial number. Along the same lines, there was Merrimack, NH: MK(O), also a software
engineering site. There were at least two other Nashua locations, one of which was Nashua
CSS; I don?t remember the site codes for either (NU, perhaps?). The CSS site might show
up on serial numbers of CSS oddball stuff (the DX11 for example, if it was built at that
particular CSS facility). I wonder if I still have a DEC phone book buried somewhere...
paul
Jack,
I've collated DEC facility codes from a few sites I have found and put them into a
table. This is from the serial number, so possibly anything that has a serial number
might be decodable.
Hope it helps.
Ian
http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes <http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes>
There are some more codes here:
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/1612
2:02 p.m.
On May 2, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
So to be explicit: that means SH is *not* the two-letter equivalent of SHR; it would be
SHO, whatever place that migth be.
paul
On May 1, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Peter Coghlan <cctalk at beyondthepale.ie> wrote:
Ian McLaughlin wrote:
A simple rule to remember: DEC originally had two-letter site codes. When they used them
all up, they switched to three letter codes, and converted all existing two letter codes
to three letters by appending ?O?. So if it ends in O, it was originally a two-letter
code; if it doesn?t (like SHR) then it was created after the change and it doesn?t have a
two-character equivalent.
Jack,
I've collated DEC facility codes from a few sites I have found and put them into a
table. This is from the serial number, so possibly anything that has a serial number
might be decodable.
Hope it helps.
Ian
http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes <http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes>
There are some more codes here:
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/1612
2:19 p.m.
Updated the page to reflect the O codes.
Ian
On May 2, 2015, at 11:02 AM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
On May 2, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
So to be explicit: that means SH is *not* the two-letter equivalent of SHR; it would be
SHO, whatever place that migth be.
paul
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On May 1, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Peter Coghlan <cctalk at beyondthepale.ie> wrote:
Ian McLaughlin wrote:
A simple rule to remember: DEC originally had two-letter site codes. When they used them
all up, they switched to three letter codes, and converted all existing two letter codes
to three letters by appending ?O?. So if it ends in O, it was originally a two-letter
code; if it doesn?t (like SHR) then it was created after the change and it doesn?t have a
two-character equivalent.
Jack,
I've collated DEC facility codes from a few sites I have found and put them into a
table. This is from the serial number, so possibly anything that has a serial number
might be decodable.
Hope it helps.
Ian
http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes <http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes>
There are some more codes here:
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/1612
2:45 p.m.
On 5/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Updated the page to reflect the O codes.
Ian
http://vaxhaven.com/DEC_Facility_Codes
I have shared the information with a friend who worked with a partner in
Phoenix when VT-100s and LA products were produced there. One thing he
pointed out was there was also a saguaro cactus symbol on the Phoenix
boards, along with the PN code. There was a lot of locally produced
product and he was able to get a lot of stuff that had local build boards.
There are two samples with the cactus in these photos. There was also a
palm tree for product from Albuquerque, NM. He figures there may have
been other symbols as well as the codes.
He of course has not been able to lay hands on the palm tree sample, but
is going to look for it.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1k08moroin1tii8/AABDcWSnlUpBu7z9Q-0L8Mvda?dl=0
Thanks
Jim
3:06 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's an IBM Multiprise 3000
model 7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives and
3 9 GB drives. I'll be posting some pictures on my website soon.
Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't made
the drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the
country) so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about 60 miles
away) and have them load up the pallet into the bed of my pickup truck
which meant getting it out without a forklift was going to be
interesting! It wasn't until I got home that I realized that it was
packed in the original crate from IBM! It even had the original
uncrating instructions stuffed into the crate...which wasn't
particularly useful!
Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a number
of other "goodies" in the crate including some new in the bag
bus-and-tag cables.
It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there because I
have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
TTFN - Guy
3:19 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
what did you pay for a new machine ?
On 5/2/2015 12:06 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's an
IBM Multiprise 3000
model 7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives
and 3 9 GB drives. I'll be posting some pictures on my website soon.
Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't made
the drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the
country) so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about 60 miles
away) and have them load up the pallet into the bed of my pickup truck
which meant getting it out without a forklift was going to be
interesting! It wasn't until I got home that I realized that it was
packed in the original crate from IBM! It even had the original
uncrating instructions stuffed into the crate...which wasn't
particularly useful!
Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a
number of other "goodies" in the crate including some new in the bag
bus-and-tag cables.
It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there because I
have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
TTFN - Guy
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3:25 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
Surprisingly little. ;-) However, given that they don't support the
64-bit mode, IBM was pretty
aggressive about moving people to the new z series so the value of these
systems dropped
pretty quickly.
TTFN - Guy
On 5/2/15 12:19 PM, wulfman wrote:
what did you pay for a new machine ?
On 5/2/2015 12:06 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's
an IBM Multiprise 3000
model 7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives
and 3 9 GB drives. I'll be posting some pictures on my website soon.
Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't made
the drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the
country) so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about 60 miles
away) and have them load up the pallet into the bed of my pickup truck
which meant getting it out without a forklift was going to be
interesting! It wasn't until I got home that I realized that it was
packed in the original crate from IBM! It even had the original
uncrating instructions stuffed into the crate...which wasn't
particularly useful!
Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a
number of other "goodies" in the crate including some new in the bag
bus-and-tag cables.
It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there because I
have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
TTFN - Guy
3:36 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
What a great score, and it sounds like practically new in crate as well!
Congratulations and enjoy! Someone with a complete system made a series of
Youtube videos of the entire IPL sequence and I have watched them many
times to great enjoyment ... For me, it will just have to be Hercules doing
the job, for now ... :O Looking forward to pictures!
Best,
Sean
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
Surprisingly little. ;-) However, given that they
don't support the
64-bit mode, IBM was pretty
aggressive about moving people to the new z series so the value of these
systems dropped
pretty quickly.
TTFN - Guy
On 5/2/15 12:19 PM, wulfman wrote:
what did you pay for a new machine ?
On 5/2/2015 12:06 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's
an IBM Multiprise 3000
model 7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives
and 3 9 GB drives. I'll be posting some pictures on my website soon.
Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't made
the drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the
country) so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about 60 miles
away) and have them load up the pallet into the bed of my pickup truck
which meant getting it out without a forklift was going to be
interesting! It wasn't until I got home that I realized that it was
packed in the original crate from IBM! It even had the original
uncrating instructions stuffed into the crate...which wasn't
particularly useful!
Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a
number of other "goodies" in the crate including some new in the bag
bus-and-tag cables.
It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there because I
have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
TTFN - Guy
3:25 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
Oh was this the one on epay last week? I nearly went for that myself! I
have two (one for spares) but major issues getting it operational. I do
have pretty complete docs and software, so we should probably stay in touch!
Mike
On 2 May 2015 3:06 pm, "Guy Sotomayor" <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's an
IBM Multiprise 3000 model
7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives and 3 9 GB
drives. I'll be posting some pictures on my website soon.
Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't made the
drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the country)
so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about 60 miles away) and have
them load up the pallet into the bed of my pickup truck which meant getting
it out without a forklift was going to be interesting! It wasn't until I
got home that I realized that it was packed in the original crate from
IBM! It even had the original uncrating instructions stuffed into the
crate...which wasn't particularly useful!
Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a number
of other "goodies" in the crate including some new in the bag bus-and-tag
cables.
It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there because I
have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
TTFN - Guy
3:28 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
Yes it was! I'm getting another one as soon as Will makes his trip out
West. I had intended
for this one as spares.
Great! My concern has been getting S/W for them. I don't know what's
on them (yet).
TTFN - Guy
On 5/2/15 12:25 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
Oh was this the one on epay last week? I nearly went
for that myself! I
have two (one for spares) but major issues getting it operational. I do
have pretty complete docs and software, so we should probably stay in touch!
Mike
On 2 May 2015 3:06 pm, "Guy Sotomayor" <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
> I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's an IBM Multiprise 3000 model
> 7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives and 3 9 GB
> drives. I'll be posting some pictures on my website soon.
>
> Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't made the
> drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the country)
> so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about 60 miles away) and have
> them load up the pallet into the bed of my pickup truck which meant getting
> it out without a forklift was going to be interesting! It wasn't until I
> got home that I realized that it was packed in the original crate from
> IBM! It even had the original uncrating instructions stuffed into the
> crate...which wasn't particularly useful!
>
> Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a number
> of other "goodies" in the crate including some new in the bag bus-and-tag
> cables.
>
> It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there because I
> have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
3:37 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
Well, you know they use a custom OS/2-based front end, much like a
'real' mainframe SE/HMC? That thing is an absolute nightmare of arcane
IBM complexity; that's where all my problems were, no way no how could
I get the damn CPU to initialise... good luck, unless you have a
running box freshly switched off (which mine was supposed to be!)
you'll need it!
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
Yes it was! I'm getting another one as soon as
Will makes his trip out
West. I had intended
for this one as spares.
Great! My concern has been getting S/W for them. I don't know what's on
them (yet).
TTFN - Guy
On 5/2/15 12:25 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
Oh was this the one on epay last week? I nearly went for that myself! I
have two (one for spares) but major issues getting it operational. I do
have pretty complete docs and software, so we should probably stay in
touch!
Mike
On 2 May 2015 3:06 pm, "Guy Sotomayor" <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
> I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's an IBM Multiprise 3000
> model
> 7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives and 3 9 GB
> drives. I'll be posting some pictures on my website soon.
>
> Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't made
> the
> drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the
> country)
> so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about 60 miles away) and have
> them load up the pallet into the bed of my pickup truck which meant
> getting
> it out without a forklift was going to be interesting! It wasn't until I
> got home that I realized that it was packed in the original crate from
> IBM! It even had the original uncrating instructions stuffed into the
> crate...which wasn't particularly useful!
>
> Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a number
> of other "goodies" in the crate including some new in the bag bus-and-tag
> cables.
>
> It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there because I
> have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
3:40 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
According to the seller, this was running 3 years ago. We'll see! ;-)
I'm hoping things go well especially since it came in its original IBM
shipping crate!
Yes, I know it's a custom SBC running OS/2. I'm crossing my fingers and
hope
that it just works (yea, I know I'm an optimist!).
TTFN - Guy
On 5/2/15 12:37 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
Well, you know they use a custom OS/2-based front
end, much like a
'real' mainframe SE/HMC? That thing is an absolute nightmare of arcane
IBM complexity; that's where all my problems were, no way no how could
I get the damn CPU to initialise... good luck, unless you have a
running box freshly switched off (which mine was supposed to be!)
you'll need it!
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
Yes it was! I'm getting another one as soon
as Will makes his trip out
West. I had intended
for this one as spares.
Great! My concern has been getting S/W for them. I don't know what's on
them (yet).
TTFN - Guy
On 5/2/15 12:25 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
> Oh was this the one on epay last week? I nearly went for that myself! I
> have two (one for spares) but major issues getting it operational. I do
> have pretty complete docs and software, so we should probably stay in
> touch!
>
> Mike
> On 2 May 2015 3:06 pm, "Guy Sotomayor" <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
>
>> I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's an IBM Multiprise 3000
>> model
>> 7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives and 3 9 GB
>> drives. I'll be posting some pictures on my website soon.
>>
>> Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't made
>> the
>> drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the
>> country)
>> so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about 60 miles away) and have
>> them load up the pallet into the bed of my pickup truck which meant
>> getting
>> it out without a forklift was going to be interesting! It wasn't until I
>> got home that I realized that it was packed in the original crate from
>> IBM! It even had the original uncrating instructions stuffed into the
>> crate...which wasn't particularly useful!
>>
>> Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a number
>> of other "goodies" in the crate including some new in the bag
bus-and-tag
>> cables.
>>
>> It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there because I
>> have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
>>
>> TTFN - Guy
>>
>>
3:41 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
Yeah, the fellow in the video shows that; it looks like the system is
totally dependent on the OS/2 based front-end processor. I wonder if he is
a list member? Maybe he can help out if you are missing software; I don't
know if you have ever seen the videos on Youtube; they are pretty easy to
find.
Best,
Sean
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at gmail.com> wrote:
Well, you know they use a custom OS/2-based front
end, much like a
'real' mainframe SE/HMC? That thing is an absolute nightmare of arcane
IBM complexity; that's where all my problems were, no way no how could
I get the damn CPU to initialise... good luck, unless you have a
running box freshly switched off (which mine was supposed to be!)
you'll need it!
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
Yes it was! I'm getting another one as soon
as Will makes his trip out
West. I had intended
for this one as spares.
Great! My concern has been getting S/W for them. I don't know what's on
them (yet).
TTFN - Guy
On 5/2/15 12:25 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
>
> Oh was this the one on epay last week? I nearly went for that myself! I
> have two (one for spares) but major issues getting it operational. I do
> have pretty complete docs and software, so we should probably stay in
> touch!
>
> Mike
> On 2 May 2015 3:06 pm, "Guy Sotomayor" <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
>
>> I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's an IBM Multiprise 3000
>> model
>> 7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives and 3 9
GB
>> drives. I'll be posting some
pictures on my website soon.
>>
>> Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't made
>> the
>> drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the
>> country)
>> so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about 60 miles away) and
have
>> them load up the pallet into the bed of
my pickup truck which meant
>> getting
>> it out without a forklift was going to be interesting! It wasn't
until I
>> got home that I realized that it was
packed in the original crate from
>> IBM! It even had the original uncrating instructions stuffed into the
>> crate...which wasn't particularly useful!
>>
>> Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a
number
>> of other "goodies" in the crate
including some new in the bag
bus-and-tag
>
cables.
>
> It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there because I
> have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
3:44 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
Sorry, let me not hand-wave and just give a link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytMgyrZm87A
Best,
Sean
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote:
Yeah, the fellow in the video shows that; it looks
like the system is
totally dependent on the OS/2 based front-end processor. I wonder if he is
a list member? Maybe he can help out if you are missing software; I don't
know if you have ever seen the videos on Youtube; they are pretty easy to
find.
Best,
Sean
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at gmail.com> wrote:
Well, you know they use a custom OS/2-based
front end, much like a
'real' mainframe SE/HMC? That thing is an absolute nightmare of arcane
IBM complexity; that's where all my problems were, no way no how could
I get the damn CPU to initialise... good luck, unless you have a
running box freshly switched off (which mine was supposed to be!)
you'll need it!
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
Yes it was! I'm getting another one as soon
as Will makes his trip out
West. I had intended
for this one as spares.
Great! My concern has been getting S/W for them. I don't know what's
on
them (yet).
TTFN - Guy
On 5/2/15 12:25 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
>
> Oh was this the one on epay last week? I nearly went for that myself! I
> have two (one for spares) but major issues getting it operational. I do
> have pretty complete docs and software, so we should probably stay in
> touch!
>
> Mike
> On 2 May 2015 3:06 pm, "Guy Sotomayor" <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
>
>> I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's an IBM Multiprise 3000
>> model
>> 7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives and 3
9
GB
>> drives. I'll be posting some
pictures on my website soon.
>>
>> Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't made
>> the
>> drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the
>> country)
>> so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about 60 miles away) and
have
>> them load up the pallet into the bed of
my pickup truck which meant
>> getting
>> it out without a forklift was going to be interesting! It wasn't
until I
>> got home that I realized that it was
packed in the original crate from
>> IBM! It even had the original uncrating instructions stuffed into the
>> crate...which wasn't particularly useful!
>>
>> Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a
number
>> of other "goodies" in the crate
including some new in the bag
bus-and-tag
>
cables.
>
> It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there because I
> have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
3 May
3 May
11:17 a.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
Nice video, took me back to my mainframe operator days. When I make a video
I try to adhere to three rules that greatly increase the quality and
effectiveness:
1. Use a tripod - I use a couple of cell phone cameras and have tripods to
hold them steady and keep them on-shot
2. Make sure you have adequate lighting - nothing worse than "here is this
and that", but we just see black
3. Have a script - I write down what I want to show, sequence, and block
and time the shots. For example, when something appears on the screen I
make sure it stays in a shot long enough for the viewer to read.
Lee C.
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote:
Sorry, let me not hand-wave and just give a link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytMgyrZm87A
Best,
Sean
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote:
--
Lee Courtney
+1-650-704-3934 cell
Yeah, the fellow in the video shows that; it
looks like the system is
totally dependent on the OS/2 based front-end processor. I wonder if he
is
a list member? Maybe he can help out if you are
missing software; I don't
know if you have ever seen the videos on Youtube; they are pretty easy to
find.
Best,
Sean
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, you know they use a custom OS/2-based front end, much like a
> 'real' mainframe SE/HMC? That thing is an absolute nightmare of arcane
> IBM complexity; that's where all my problems were, no way no how could
> I get the damn CPU to initialise... good luck, unless you have a
> running box freshly switched off (which mine was supposed to be!)
> you'll need it!
>
> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com>
wrote:
> > Yes it was! I'm getting another one
as soon as Will makes his trip
out
> > West. I had intended
> > for this one as spares.
> >
> > Great! My concern has been getting S/W for them. I don't know what's
> on
> > them (yet).
> >
> > TTFN - Guy
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/2/15 12:25 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh was this the one on epay last week? I nearly went for that
myself!
I
> >> have two (one for spares) but major
issues getting it operational. I
do
> >> have pretty complete docs and
software, so we should probably stay in
> >> touch!
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> On 2 May 2015 3:06 pm, "Guy Sotomayor" <ggs at
shiresoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's an IBM Multiprise
3000
> >>> model
> >>> 7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives and
3
> 9 GB
> >>> drives. I'll be posting some pictures on my website soon.
> >>>
> >>> Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't
made
> >>> the
> >>> drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the
> >>> country)
> >>> so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about 60 miles away) and
> have
> >>> them load up the pallet into the bed of my pickup truck which meant
> >>> getting
> >>> it out without a forklift was going to be interesting! It wasn't
> until I
> >>> got home that I realized that it was packed in the original crate
from
> >>> IBM! It even had the original
uncrating instructions stuffed into
the
> >>> crate...which wasn't
particularly useful!
> >>>
> >>> Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a
> number
> >>> of other "goodies" in the crate including some new in the bag
> bus-and-tag
> >>> cables.
> >>>
> >>> It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there
because I
>> have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2
keyboard and mouse.
>>
>> TTFN - Guy
>>
>>
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
11:23 a.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
On May 3, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Lee Courtney <leec2124
at gmail.com> wrote:
Nice video, took me back to my mainframe operator days. When I make a video
I try to adhere to three rules that greatly increase the quality and
effectiveness:
1. Use a tripod - I use a couple of cell phone cameras and have tripods to
hold them steady and keep them on-shot
2. Make sure you have adequate lighting - nothing worse than "here is this
and that", but we just see black
3. Have a script - I write down what I want to show, sequence, and block
and time the shots. For example, when something appears on the screen I
make sure it stays in a shot long enough for the viewer to read.
And I would much rather a ?quick-and-dirty show-me-now? cell-phone video showing me what?s
going on right away, rather than wait for a slick professionally-produced correctly lit
video. This is this guy?s hobby, and I appreciate *any* output and would never dream of
criticizing his videographer skills.
Ian
2 May
2 May
7:52 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
That would be me :-)
That's a very rare beast in the video: an Application Starterpak 3000, AKA
the 'Warthog'. That's a real mainframe, basically a Multiprise 2000 in a
half-height rack. But yes, they all rely on OS/2.
Mike
On 2 May 2015 7:49 pm, "Sean Caron" <scaron at umich.edu> wrote:
Yeah, the fellow in the video shows that; it looks
like the system is
totally dependent on the OS/2 based front-end processor. I wonder if he is
a list member? Maybe he can help out if you are missing software; I don't
know if you have ever seen the videos on Youtube; they are pretty easy to
find.
Best,
Sean
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at gmail.com> wrote:
from
I
--
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
Well, you know they use a custom OS/2-based
front end, much like a
'real' mainframe SE/HMC? That thing is an absolute nightmare of arcane
IBM complexity; that's where all my problems were, no way no how could
I get the damn CPU to initialise... good luck, unless you have a
running box freshly switched off (which mine was supposed to be!)
you'll need it!
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
> Yes it was! I'm getting another one as soon as Will makes his trip out
> West. I had intended
> for this one as spares.
>
> Great! My concern has been getting S/W for them. I don't know what's
on
> them (yet).
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
>
> On 5/2/15 12:25 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
>>
>> Oh was this the one on epay last week? I nearly went for that myself!
I
>> have two (one for spares) but major
issues getting it operational. I
do
>> have pretty complete docs and software,
so we should probably stay in
>> touch!
>>
>> Mike
>> On 2 May 2015 3:06 pm, "Guy Sotomayor" <ggs at shiresoft.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's an IBM Multiprise 3000
>>> model
>>> 7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives and 3
9
GB
>>> drives. I'll be posting some pictures on my website soon.
>>>
>>> Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't
made
>>
the
>> drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the
>> country)
>> so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about 60 miles away) and
have
>> them load up the pallet into the bed of
my pickup truck which meant
>> getting
>> it out without a forklift was going to be interesting! It wasn't
until I
>>> got home that I realized that it was packed in the original crate >>> IBM! It even had the original
uncrating instructions stuffed into
the
>>
crate...which wasn't particularly useful!
>>
>> Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a
number
>> of other "goodies" in the crate
including some new in the bag
bus-and-tag
>>> cables.
>>>
>>> It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there because
> have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard
and mouse.
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
3:49 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
On May 2, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Mike Ross <tmfdmike at
gmail.com> wrote:
Well, you know they use a custom OS/2-based front end, much like a
'real' mainframe SE/HMC? That thing is an absolute nightmare of arcane
IBM complexity; that's where all my problems were, no way no how could
I get the damn CPU to initialise... good luck, unless you have a
running box freshly switched off (which mine was supposed to be!)
you'll need it!
Is that any worse than the VAXen with their PRO console controllers?
paul
4:57 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
On May 2, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at
shiresoft.com> wrote:
I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's an IBM Multiprise 3000 model 7060-H30.
It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB drives and 3 9 GB drives. I'll be
posting some pictures on my website soon.
Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't made the drive from
the main roads to my house (curse of living out in the country) so I had to run down to
the shipping depot (about 60 miles away) and have them load up the pallet into the bed of
my pickup truck which meant getting it out without a forklift was going to be interesting!
It wasn't until I got home that I realized that it was packed in the original crate
from IBM! It even had the original uncrating instructions stuffed into the crate...which
wasn't particularly useful!
Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a number of other
"goodies" in the crate including some new in the bag bus-and-tag cables.
It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there because I have to
find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
I just uploaded some pictures to my site at:
http://www.shiresoft.com/new-shop/Shiresoft/IBM_Mainframe.html
<http://www.shiresoft.com/new-shop/Shiresoft/IBM_Mainframe.html>.
TTFN - Guy
7:21 p.m.
New subject: IBM Mainframe
On Sat, 2 May 2015 13:57:53 -0700
Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
It looks terrific! Hope it runs as well as it looks :)
How did you manage to get it out of your truck w/o a fork lift???
Lyle
---
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
On May 2, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Guy Sotomayor
<ggs at shiresoft.com>
wrote:
I just received my first IBM mainframe. It's an IBM Multiprise
3000 model 7060-H30. It's a a P/390 class machine. It has 6 18GB
drives and 3 9 GB drives. I'll be posting some pictures on my
website soon.
Getting it home was interesting since the freight companies can't
made the drive from the main roads to my house (curse of living out
in the country) so I had to run down to the shipping depot (about
60 miles away) and have them load up the pallet into the bed of my
pickup truck which meant getting it out without a forklift was
going to be interesting! It wasn't until I got home that I
realized that it was packed in the original crate from IBM! It
even had the original uncrating instructions stuffed into the
crate...which wasn't particularly useful!
Overall it appears to be in really good shape. There were also a
number of other "goodies" in the crate including some new in the
bag bus-and-tag cables.
It'll be a bit before I can power it up and see what's there
because I have to find an SVGA monitor and a PS/2 keyboard and
mouse.
I just uploaded some pictures to my site at:
http://www.shiresoft.com/new-shop/Shiresoft/IBM_Mainframe.html
<http://www.shiresoft.com/new-shop/Shiresoft/IBM_Mainframe.html>. 
19 May
19 May
9 p.m.
The serial number can be broken into 3 areas...
The first two digits indicate the country of Manufacture
AY = Ayr, Scotland
BK = Germany
GA = Galway, Ireland
IQ = Somewhere else
NI = Salem, New Hampshire, USA
PC = Irvine, Scotland
KA = Kanata, Ontario, Canada
CX = Colorado Springs, CO, USA
WF = Westfield, MA, USA
AB = Albuquerque, NM, USA
The 3rd Digit indicates the year
7 = 1997 8 = 1998 9 = 1999 etc.
The 4th & 5th digits indicate the week of manufacture from
January.
01 = 1st week in January
12 = 12th week after January 1st (End of March)
20 = Mid April
For a rough calculate take 4 weeks to the month
The remaining digits indicate the run number.
00005 = The 5th one made at this plant
00100 = The 100th one made at this plant
From the fog in my head...
Dan Snyder, Butler, PA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Rubin" <j at ckrubin.us>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 5:25 PM
Subject: Place of manufacture for DEC equipment?
Is there a way to identify which DEC plant manufactured a specific piece of
equipment? I'm certainly aware of the Maynard, Massachusetts label on my
equipment and I'm pretty sure I've seen DEC Kanata, Canada on flipchip
handles. Maybe even PR serial numbers on computers built in Puerto Rico.
Can anyone supply any more extensive and/or detailed information?
Thanks,
Jack
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