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teoz＠neo.rr.com

5 Sep 5 Sep

12:04 a.m.

Think Pascal should work too and generate 68000 code (atleast version 2.0 does). TZ

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legalize＠xmission.com

5:03 a.m.

In article <46DE1639.6080400 at msu.edu>, Josh Dersch <derschjo at msu.edu> writes:

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I'm looking to do a bit of (simple) development targeting a 68k Mac (or two, or three, or six...) [...]

In 1988 I was a teaching assistant for the Pascal course at the University of Utah. We used Mac classics and "Lightspeed Pascal"; I found it to be a fairly decent programming environment for the Mac. It compiled everything in memory IIRC. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

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derschjo＠msu.edu

6 Sep 6 Sep

2:56 p.m.

Thanks to all for the great suggestions -- I'll (hopefully) have some time this weekend to track down a few of the suggested packages and give them a shot. And I'll let you know when (if) I ever finish my little project :). Thanks again! - Josh Josh Dersch wrote:

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Hi all -- I'm looking to do a bit of (simple) development targeting a 68k Mac (or two, or three, or six...) and since I've never done any programming on a Mac before I'm curious if anyone out there has any recommendations for a development environment to use or to avoid. I'd prefer C/C++, but I'm flexible :). I'd like to be able to run my code on a Mac Classic/SE (so I need to be able to compile to 68000 code) but I'll be doing the development itself on a IIfx. In case you're interested, I'm writing the software to build a clock of sorts out of a set of six "classic" form factor Macs I have lying around (two Classics, two SEs and two SE/30s). Each computer will display one digit of the time, and will be synchronized over an Appletalk network to keep the system times in sync. Or so goes the theory. Figure it'll be a fun display to have set up, and a somewhat interesting use for some otherwise-idle Macintosh hardware :). Thanks for any suggestions... - Josh

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derschjo＠msu.edu

10:46 p.m.

Liam Proven wrote:

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On 05/09/07, Josh Dersch <derschjo at msu.edu> wrote:

Hi all -- I'm looking to do a bit of (simple) development targeting a 68k Mac (or two, or three, or six...) and since I've never done any programming on a Mac before I'm curious if anyone out there has any recommendations for a development environment to use or to avoid. I'd prefer C/C++, but I'm flexible :). I'd like to be able to run my code on a Mac Classic/SE (so I need to be able to compile to 68000 code) but I'll be doing the development itself on a IIfx. In case you're interested, I'm writing the software to build a clock of sorts out of a set of six "classic" form factor Macs I have lying around (two Classics, two SEs and two SE/30s). Each computer will display one digit of the time, and will be synchronized over an Appletalk network to keep the system times in sync. Or so goes the theory. Figure it'll be a fun display to have set up, and a somewhat interesting use for some otherwise-idle Macintosh hardware :).

That is a really cool idea, which I like a lot. I am sure you're aware of it, but it instantly brought to mind the story of Jamie Zawinski's Dali clock and getting it running on various elderly Macs... http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/dali.html

Thanks for the vote of support :). I think most of the code should be dead simple but I'm not sure how the time-sync networking portion's going to go. I also need to pick up some serial Appletalk cabling; the SEs and the SE/30s have ethernet cards, but the Classics are unexpandable and thus do not. Maybe I can just find some more SEs to use :). I hope to get most of the work done this weekend, assuming nothing interrupts me... ha ha ha. And I have a copy of the original Mac Dali clock on one of my macs... somewhere :). - Josh

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rescue＠hawkmountain.net

10:19 p.m.

Josh Dersch wrote:

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Liam Proven wrote:

On 05/09/07, Josh Dersch <derschjo at msu.edu> wrote:

Hi all -- I'm looking to do a bit of (simple) development targeting a 68k Mac (or two, or three, or six...) and since I've never done any programming on a Mac before I'm curious if anyone out there has any recommendations for a development environment to use or to avoid. I'd prefer C/C++, but I'm flexible :). I'd like to be able to run my code on a Mac Classic/SE (so I need to be able to compile to 68000 code) but I'll be doing the development itself on a IIfx. In case you're interested, I'm writing the software to build a clock of sorts out of a set of six "classic" form factor Macs I have lying around (two Classics, two SEs and two SE/30s). Each computer will display one digit of the time, and will be synchronized over an Appletalk network to keep the system times in sync. Or so goes the theory. Figure it'll be a fun display to have set up, and a somewhat interesting use for some otherwise-idle Macintosh hardware :).

That is a really cool idea, which I like a lot. I am sure you're aware of it, but it instantly brought to mind the story of Jamie Zawinski's Dali clock and getting it running on various elderly Macs... http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/dali.html

Thanks for the vote of support :). I think most of the code should be dead simple but I'm not sure how the time-sync networking portion's going to go. I also need to pick up some serial Appletalk cabling; the SEs and the SE/30s have ethernet cards, but the Classics are unexpandable and thus do not. Maybe I can just find some more SEs to use :).

time sync ? only one needs to tell time :-) ... the rest just need to display the remainder of the digits... Either use messages over the appletalk of what to display... or treat each computer 'up' the chain like a dumb mechanical counter.... call the boxes H1, H2, M1, M2, S1, S2.... S2 tells the time... when it rolls over to zero it sends a 'tick' to S1... S1 knows its 'position', so when it rolls over from 5 to 0, it sends a tick to M2.... and up the 'ticking' goes. Either way would be 'fun' :-) -- Curt

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I hope to get most of the work done this weekend, assuming nothing interrupts me... ha ha ha. And I have a copy of the original Mac Dali clock on one of my macs... somewhere :). - Josh

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brad＠heeltoe.com

11 Sep 11 Sep

4:20 a.m.

Josh Dersch wrote:

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The former's basically what I was planning on doing. The "challenge" I spoke of is that I'm new to programming the Mac and new to Appletalk so I need to dig into what it'll take to write client/server code for "distributing" the time amongst the machines :). I've found all the requisite documentation, it's just a matter of sitting down and digging into it now...

If you just use the datagram protocol it should be pretty simple; as I recall (dimly) you can add a handler pretty easily from an app. And you can broadcast which removes all the configuration issues. I think you might need to add a little asm wrapper to get it to work with think c. back in the day I had examples but I don't think I do any more. I might have docs somewhere - "inside appletalk" -brad

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