3 Nov
2006
3 Nov
'06
5:12 p.m.
Speaking of unit record equipment, another candidate for the
"first" programmed "computer"?:
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/switch.html
m
5:47 p.m.
In article <20061103143309.O22324 at shell.lmi.net>,
Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> writes:
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, M H Stein wrote:
I wonder if the Quipu was first?
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu>
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Speaking of unit record equipment, another
candidate for the
"first" programmed "computer"?:
Stonehenge.
But, it took a LOT of "programmers" to make even a simple change. 
6 p.m.
No, quipus were to record information, not perform computations or logic.
Also, they appeared a couple of thousand years after Stonehenge. Most quipus
are Inka, which date them after ca. 1100 AD, although, IIRC, there are Wari
quipus (ca 500AD). The Moche (200 BC-400AD) possibly used colored beans in a
similar way (the first bean counters!).
Bob
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Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> writes:
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On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, M H Stein wrote:
I wonder if the Quipu was first?
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu>
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<http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Speaking of unit record equipment, another
candidate for the
"first" programmed "computer"?:
Stonehenge.
But, it took a LOT of "programmers" to make even a simple change. 
7:09 p.m.
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Robert Feldman wrote:
No, quipus were to record information, not perform
computations or logic.
Also, they appeared a couple of thousand years after Stonehenge. Most quipus
are Inka, which date them after ca. 1100 AD, although, IIRC, there are Wari
quipus (ca 500AD). The Moche (200 BC-400AD) possibly used colored beans in a
similar way (the first bean counters!).
Oldest found so far is about 3000BC !
http://archaeology.about.com/od/ancientwriting/a/caralquipu.htm
6:23 p.m.
New subject: Quipo (was: Discussion of large systems
> Stonehenge.
> But, it took a LOT of "programmers" to make even a simple change.
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Richard wrote:
I wonder if the Quipu was first?
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu>
It's a file system, not necessarily a computer.
Apparently the oldest ones that they've found are ONLY 5000 years old.
But, . . . they might have been around earlier, and the Spanish were very
thorough in their attempts to eliminate that culture, so many older data
files were destroyed. So, they MIGHT be older.
"Nowadays the word Kipu is also used in the Quechua translation of Windows
XP. The word Kipu stands for 'File' within the Windows menu structure."
OK,
If you find drivers for XP for reading and writing Kipu,
then I'll take back most of what I've ever said about MICROS~1.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
7:54 p.m.
New subject: Quipo (was: Discussion of large systems
> > Stonehenge.
> > But, it took a LOT of "programmers" to make even a simple change.
I was gonna go with the abacus..., strictly on it's strengths of being
digital (if you get my drift..) and having an RTOS. My fear is that I will
re-ignite the 'What is a computer / what is a calculator?' discussion.
John
6:20 p.m.
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 14:34:03 -0800 (PST), Fred Cisin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, M H Stein wrote:
> Speaking of unit record equipment, another candidate for the
> "first" programmed "computer"?:
Stonehenge.
But, it took a LOT of "programmers" to make even a simple change.
By simply moving 4 markers around the 56 aubery holes at stonehenge one can predict both
solar and lunar
eclipses.
http://eclipse-chasers.com/henge1.html - covers the subject in far more detail than I
can.
till later
Bob Bradlee
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