17 Aug
2008
17 Aug
'08
10:20 a.m.
Just curious if the person who owns this eBay store is a list regular?
And, more the the point, do they actually get anyone to pay nearly $500
for an AT&T PC7300?
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17 Aug
17 Aug
2:09 p.m.
On Aug 17, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
Just curious if the person who owns this eBay store is
a list
regular? And, more the the point, do they actually get anyone to
pay nearly $500 for an AT&T PC7300?
I sold one for $300 last summer. Remember, this whole notion of
classic computers never being worth any actual money is pretty much
restricted to this mailing list.
-Dave
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4:09 p.m.
I bought a 3B1 Olivetti branded incl. manuals and disk's for 5 euro last
year ;-)
Bought it from Marktplaats the Dutch craiglist...
Vintagecomputer museum was formerly known as computermkt.
-Rik
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Onderwerp: Re: Who is vintagecomputermuseum?
On Aug 17, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
Just curious if the person who owns this eBay store is
a list regular?
And, more the the point, do they actually get anyone to pay nearly
$500 for an AT&T PC7300?
I sold one for $300 last summer. Remember, this whole notion of classic
computers never being worth any actual money is pretty much restricted to
this mailing list.
-Dave
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12:58
4:21 p.m.
> Just curious if the person who owns this eBay
store is a list regular?
> And, more the the point, do they actually get anyone to pay nearly
> $500 for an AT&T PC7300?
I sold one for $300 last summer. Remember, this
whole notion of
classic computers never being worth any actual money is pretty much
restricted to this mailing list.
While Dave is right, computermkt's idea of how much actual money they're
worth is pretty high. OTOH, he did take a much lower best offer from me
once, and seems reasonable to deal with. Packaging was a bit iffy.
Unfortunately, he does seem to occasionally sell something for asking
price. Some Pr1me gear I was watching went that way.
De
8:22 p.m.
On Aug 17, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Dennis Boone wrote:
While Dave is right, computermkt's idea of how much actual money
they're
worth is pretty high.
I have to agree there. And $500 for a 7300 is a tad on the high
side. I had three of them (two 3B1s and a 7300) and reluctantly
parted with one. I became much less reluctant when the guy offered
me $300. The first machine is one I will keep even if the prices go
sky high, as it was given to me years ago by a classiccmp member (hi
Mark!), although for the life of me I have no clue where the mouse went.
Does anyone have disk images of the 7300/3B1 OS distribution?
Just curious if the person who owns this eBay store is
a list
regular?
And, more the the point, do they actually get anyone to pay nearly
$500 for an AT&T PC7300?
I sold one for $300 last summer. Remember, this whole notion of
classic computers never being worth any actual money is pretty
much
restricted to this mailing list. OTOH, he did take a much lower best offer from me
once, and seems reasonable to deal with. Packaging was a bit iffy.
Well that's good, at least. (the reasonableness, not the iffy
packaging ;))
Unfortunately, he does seem to occasionally sell
something for asking
price. Some Pr1me gear I was watching went that way.
I don't see much Pr1me gear floating around. Is it that rare, or
do we just not hear about it?
-Dave
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8:37 p.m.
New subject: Ultrix-11
I've got 3 boxes of 5.25" disks (RX50) that appear to have Ultrix-11 on
them. There are 31 disks total. The sheet of paper included with box #1
says that it's version 2.0.
Disk 1 - "Boot"
Disk 2 - 7 "Root"
Disks 8 - 10 "usr"
Disks 11 - 13 "sysgen"
Disk 14 "usep"
Disks 15, 16 "F11CMDS"
Disks 17,18" "J11CMDS"
Disk 19 "uucp"
Disk 20 "sccs & plot"
Disk 21 "F77 Fortran"
Disk 22 "docprep"
Disk 23 "learn 1/2"
Disk 24 "learn 2/2"
Disk 25 "dictionary"
Disk 26 "games"
Disks 27-30 "manual" (note says "this archive from the orig. was trashed
on 2nd or 3rd disk"
Disk 31 unreadable note (can't figure out what was written on the paper)
I can't guarantee that they're readable as I no longer have anything
capable of reading RX50 disks. These were given to me years ago and I
never got a PDP-11/n to use them with.
I would like to trade these for three boxes of new 5.25" DSDD disks
(Athana or other unopened media). I'll pay for postage of the Ultrix 11
media to you.
If interested, please contact me off list.
tnx!
g.
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8:38 p.m.
I don't see much Pr1me gear floating around. Is
it that rare, or do we
just not hear about it?
My guess?
I don't think it's really that rare. Rather, there's not enough demand
to get it noticed by ebayers and scrappers and resellers (and bears, oh
my) such that they try to move parts and systems, because:
* The commercial market (i.e. folks still running it in production) is
much much smaller than e.g. DEC or DG gear. And by and large, they're
not upgrading, just keeping existing systems running.
* The collector community is pretty small. After several years of
pouncing on every Prime-related post here and in c.s.p., the list of
people I know of with at least some interest probably numbers less
than 20.
First Solutions and Computronics and at least one other outfit with a
list member on staff still support customers. I'm sure there are others.
De
6:22 p.m.
On Aug 18, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Eric J Korpela wrote:
What release are they? I believe 3.51 was the last, from very
dusty memory.
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
Does anyone
have disk images of the 7300/3B1 OS distribution?
I have the disks themselves, but haven't gotten around to imaging
them. 
8:04 p.m.
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com:
On Aug 18, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Eric J Korpela wrote:
What release are they? I believe 3.51 was the last, from very
dusty memory.
Pretty much. There was a 3.51m, but I don't think that was
ever part of the regular physical media distribution. I
think the updates from 3.51 to 3.51m had to be downloaded.
Out of curiosity, I just turned around to see what versions
I have on my shelf, and as it turns out, I have one each of
3.0, 3.5 and 3.51. And I have a couple other copies floating
around the room somewhere.
BLS
Does
anyone have disk images of the 7300/3B1 OS distribution?
I have the disks themselves, but haven't gotten around to imaging
them.
19 Aug
19 Aug
2:01 p.m.
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Dave McGuire wrote:
On Aug 18, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Eric J Korpela wrote:
What release are they? I believe 3.51 was the last, from very dusty memory.
They are 3.51 and, yes, AFAIK that was the latest.
--
Does
anyone have disk images of the 7300/3B1 OS distribution?
I have the disks themselves, but haven't gotten around to imaging them. 
17 Aug
17 Aug
8:30 p.m.
While Dave is right, computermkt's idea of how
much actual money they're
worth is pretty high. OTOH, he did take a much lower best offer from me
once, and seems reasonable to deal with. Packaging was a bit iffy.
Unfortunately, he does seem to occasionally sell something for asking
price. Some Pr1me gear I was watching went that way.
I've bought from him and he was willing to negotiate to a limited extent,
especially if you can get him to realize he doesn't know anything about the
item (or to get him to realize *you know* he doesn't know anything about
the item). In those cases, he's more flexible and I was able to get him to
do a 2 for 1 (which paid off given that one of the two was in considerably
better shape). Other cases, when he knows what he's got, he won't budge.
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18 Aug
18 Aug
8:06 p.m.
In article <200808172021.m7HKLLlc031508 at yagi.h-net.msu.edu>,
Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu> writes:
Packaging is *more* than a bit iffy considering he always hawks
everything as "this will make a wonderful addition to your vintage
computer collection". Not if its a smashed heap of plastic, asshole!
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> Just
curious if the person who owns this eBay store is a list regular?
> And, more the the point, do they actually get anyone to pay nearly
> $500 for an AT&T PC7300?
I sold one for $300 last summer. Remember,
this whole notion of
classic computers never being worth any actual money is pretty much
restricted to this mailing list.
While Dave is right, computermkt's idea of how much actual money they're
worth is pretty high. OTOH, he did take a much lower best offer from me
once, and seems reasonable to deal with. Packaging was a bit iffy.
8:46 p.m.
While Dave is
right, computermkt's idea of how much actual money they're
worth is pretty high. OTOH, he did take a much lower best offer from me
once, and seems reasonable to deal with. Packaging was a bit iffy.
Packaging is *more* than a bit iffy considering he always hawks
everything as "this will make a wonderful addition to your vintage
computer collection". Not if its a smashed heap of plastic, asshole!
17 Aug
17 Aug
6:35 p.m.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008, Dave McGuire wrote:
On Aug 17, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
Yow. I have one new in the original box. Pristine condition except for
the CRT swivel being cracked in shipment (should super-glue together with
a barely-noticable line). Even have the software and books still in the
shrink-wrap.
I can probably retire comfortably on the proceeds :-).
Not sure how to feel about the escalating prices on this stuff. On one
hand it's nice to see the interest, on the other it's really killing off
classic computer collecting as a hobby.
Steve
--
Just curious if the person who owns this eBay
store is a list regular? And,
more the the point, do they actually get anyone to pay nearly $500 for an
AT&T PC7300?
I sold one for $300 last summer. Remember, this whole notion of classic
computers never being worth any actual money is pretty much restricted to
this mailing list.
18 Aug
18 Aug
11:28 a.m.
On Aug 17, 2008, at 6:35 PM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
Not sure how to feel about the escalating prices on
this stuff. On
one hand it's nice to see the interest, on the other it's really
killing off classic computer collecting as a hobby.
Oh that is SO not true. I'm as broke as they come right now (see
my other message) and I'm doing just fine with my classic
computers...even getting a few more lately.
A Ford Model T will go for quite a little pile of money, being
important to the history of automobiles. Automobiles only
revolutionized transportation, while computers have revolutionized
EVERYTHING...Why is it reasonable to expect that they'll always be
available for free?
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
17 Aug
17 Aug
6:54 p.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
On Aug 17, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
It is amazing to me that everyone reads the same words and comes to such
different understanding of what was said.
I was one of the people who gave Tony D a slightly tart reply to his
hand wringing that he was perhaps the only person who messed with
vintage computers out of a love for their design, vs. doing it for money.
I'd say that overwhelming majority of us on the list mess with old
computers for reasons of nostalgia, for the pleasure of puzzling out how
to make these things work again, and for the sheer joy of learning about
systems that we knew about but never used back in the day.
That is a far different statement than claiming that there are no old
computers worth any money. In fact, I don't recall anyone making such a
claim. This is written by someone who primarily is in it for the fun of
learning, but who also sold a Sol system for $1200 on ebay a few years back.
Just curious if the person who owns this eBay
store is a list regular?
And, more the the point, do they actually get anyone to pay nearly
$500 for an AT&T PC7300?
I sold one for $300 last summer. Remember, this whole notion of
classic computers never being worth any actual money is pretty much
restricted to this mailing list. 
10:46 p.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
On Aug 17, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
I know they're worth money, but where do you find buyers? I'd like to
offload some of my nice semi-rare stuff (XT-286, etc.) but hell if I can
find a buyer. How did you sell yours (ebay?) and how did the buyer find
you?
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Just curious if the person who owns this eBay
store is a list regular?
And, more the the point, do they actually get anyone to pay nearly
$500 for an AT&T PC7300?
I sold one for $300 last summer. Remember, this whole notion of
classic computers never being worth any actual money is pretty much
restricted to this mailing list.
18 Aug
18 Aug
11:25 a.m.
On Aug 17, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Jim Leonard wrote:
I know they're worth money, but where do you find buyers? I'd like
to offload some of my nice semi-rare stuff (XT-286, etc.) but hell
if I can find a buyer. How did you sell yours (ebay?) and how did
the buyer find you?
I was selling something unrelated on eBay, and the buyer asked me
if I had any other interesting stuff available. He bought a few
things from me. It was a bit of a fluke, but that does happen every
so often.
I sold one of my Crays on eBay recently (I'll be delivering it to
Wisconsin this week), and in another similar situation, the buyer of
that system is also getting a PDP-8/e from me.
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
Just curious if the person who owns this eBay store is
a list
regular? And, more the the point, do they actually get anyone to
pay nearly $500 for an AT&T PC7300?
I sold one for $300 last summer.
Remember, this whole notion of
classic computers never being worth any actual money is pretty
much restricted to this mailing list.
11:43 a.m.
New subject: only here....
I sold one of my Crays on eBay recently (I'll be
delivering it to Wisconsin
Only here could such a statement not only be made, but taken in complete
stride. I love this place. *laughs*
g.
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3:55 p.m.
New subject: only here....
On Monday 18 August 2008 11:43, Gene Buckle wrote:
Yeah, that one hit me the same way...
:-)
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I sold one of
my Crays on eBay recently (I'll be delivering it to
Wisconsin
Only here could such a statement not only be made, but taken in complete
stride. I love this place. *laughs* 
6:06 p.m.
New subject: only here....
I sold one of
my Crays on eBay recently (I'll be delivering it to
Wisconsin
Only here could such a statement not only be made, but taken in complete
stride. I love this place. *laughs* Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
:oO
Some things are better not seen :o)
Greetings from Brazil and congratulations for your toy! :oD
Alexandre
6:30 p.m.
New subject: only here....
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Alexandre Souza wrote:
You have the same "insight" as mine :o) Where could I find someone saying
"I sold ONE of my Cray*S*..."? :oD
Hehe. Yah, there is that.
Thanks. It's more of a never ending project of late though. *sigh*
g.
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
I sold one of my Crays on eBay recently (I'll be
delivering it to
Wisconsin
Only here could such a statement not only be made, but taken in complete
stride. I love this place. *laughs* Proud owner of
F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
:oO
Some things are better not seen :o)
Greetings from Brazil and congratulations for your toy! :oD
Alexandre
12:04 p.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
I sold one of my Crays on eBay recently (I'll be
delivering it to
Wisconsin this week), and in another similar situation, the buyer of
that system is also getting a PDP-8/e from me.
Is that going to the Chippewa Falls museum? I think that museum - despite
being 300 miles away - is the closest thing to vintage computing around me. At
some point I'll just hop in a car and drive there for a visit...
cheers
Jules
4:11 p.m.
someone really should open a vintage computer museum near
chicago...Ive toyed with the idea, i think space in the old 3com
building in rolling meadows would be a fitting place for vintage
computing....
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Jules Richardson
<jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> wrote:
Dave McGuire wrote:
I sold one of my Crays on eBay recently (I'll be delivering it to
Wisconsin this week), and in another similar situation, the buyer of that
system is also getting a PDP-8/e from me.
Is that going to the Chippewa Falls museum? I think that museum - despite
being 300 miles away - is the closest thing to vintage computing around me.
At some point I'll just hop in a car and drive there for a visit...
cheers
Jules
19 Aug
19 Aug
12:17 p.m.
I would not be the first to say that would be cool in the Chicago
area... But alas, reality is a very big lack of funding, time and to
some extent, public interest in the Chicago area. Chicago culturally is
a financial business focused area, and although much technology exists
in the area, the culture just doesn't seem to harness the mentality.
Personally, my "ideal museum" I would like to see is a technology
learning center in the Chicago area, with a focus in the history. A
place where the talented youth can have a club like atmosphere with
resources to explore. No better learning it, than doing it, esp. with a
need. I believe the way to advance the technology is to understand the
basics which is easily apparent and understandable in vintage computers.
Mike
joe lobocki wrote:
someone really should open a vintage computer museum
near
chicago...Ive toyed with the idea, i think space in the old 3com
building in rolling meadows would be a fitting place for vintage
computing....
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Jules Richardson
<jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave McGuire wrote:
>
>> I sold one of my Crays on eBay recently (I'll be delivering it to
>> Wisconsin this week), and in another similar situation, the buyer of that
>> system is also getting a PDP-8/e from me.
>>
> Is that going to the Chippewa Falls museum? I think that museum - despite
> being 300 miles away - is the closest thing to vintage computing around me.
> At some point I'll just hop in a car and drive there for a visit...
>
> cheers
>
> Jules
>
>
>
12:39 p.m.
At 11:17 AM 8/19/2008, Michael Lee wrote:
Personally, my "ideal museum" I would like to
see is a technology learning center in the Chicago area, with a focus in the history. A
place where the talented youth can have a club like atmosphere with resources to explore.
That describes the atmosphere at the excellent Exploratorium-class children's center
at the Burpee Museum in Rockford, IL, not far from Chicago. It's not heavy on
technology, though - but not bad.
- John
18 Aug
18 Aug
5:51 p.m.
On Aug 18, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Jules Richardson wrote:
I'd love to go there myself. But no, the Cray is going to a
private individual. I think he plans to use it for software
development for bigger systems.
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
I sold one
of my Crays on eBay recently (I'll be delivering it
to Wisconsin this week), and in another similar situation, the
buyer of that system is also getting a PDP-8/e from me.
Is that going to the Chippewa Falls museum? I think that museum -
despite being 300 miles away - is the closest thing to vintage
computing around me. At some point I'll just hop in a car and drive
there for a visit...
8:05 p.m.
vintagecomputermuseum is a guy in upstate NY. He charges a pretty
penny for what he sells on ebay and then *still* ships it to you in a
shitty box with insufficient packing so it arrives smashed.
He did refund what I asked, but still, what an ass.
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19 Aug
2:02 p.m.
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Richard wrote:
vintagecomputermuseum is a guy in upstate NY. He charges a pretty
penny for what he sells on ebay and then *still* ships it to you in a
shitty box with insufficient packing so it arrives smashed.
Taking the net of the responses, I think I know everything I need to know
about that operation.
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20 Aug
20 Aug
1:21 p.m.
Damn, was going to look at my disks last night. I'm sure I have
several distributions including 3.51.
Eric
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Richard wrote:
vintagecomputermuseum is a guy in upstate NY. He charges a pretty
penny for what he sells on ebay and then *still* ships it to you in a
shitty box with insufficient packing so it arrives smashed.
Taking the net of the responses, I think I know everything I need to know
about that operation.
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