14 Sep
2016
14 Sep
'16
2:42 p.m.
On 09/14/16 09:52, Dale H. Cook wrote:
Please do not change the subject line in a thread. The subject line
of this thread has been changed twice since it began as "68K Macs
with MacOS 7.5 still in production use..." When you change a subject
line the header information concerning the subject is unchanged,
and that is what the list archives and some email clients go by.
There are now three threads concerning different subjects archived
as one thread at classiccmp.org.
And what's so horrible about that? I miss entire conversations because
somebody starts discussing something I *would* find interesting under a
misleading Subject: and never changes it. Oh well - people will do what
they do, thank goodness for search...
How do you justify making everybody conform to your preferred behavior?
Even though I did what you wanted in this reply/new topic. ;) But now
nobody can see what I didn't quote from your original message without
going off and running a search - isn't that annoying too?
--S.
14 Sep
14 Sep
2:48 p.m.
On 9/14/16 2:42 PM, Steven M Jones wrote:
On 09/14/16 09:52, Dale H. Cook wrote:
nothing
It has taken twenty years to get to the point on cclk where the subject
line changes at all.
alt.folklore.computers is the extreme example of thread wander.
I stop reading a thread after about the fifth post there.
I know.. "You still read a.f.c ?"
Please do not change the subject line in a thread.
And what's so horrible
about that? 
2:58 p.m.
At 05:42 PM 9/14/2016, Steven M Jones wrote:
How do you justify making everybody conform to your
preferred behavior?
I don't, but the behavior and archiving of this list is bound by the software that it
runs under.
Dale H. Cook, Contract IT Administrator, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html
3:30 p.m.
On 9/14/2016 4:58 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote:
At 05:42 PM 9/14/2016, Steven M Jones wrote:
I'm the one who last changed the subject of the aforemetioned thread (which is now not
this thread). It was my first time renaming a thread, and I'm confused as to what I
did wrong.
How is sending a new email any different than replying / changing subject line?
Thanks,
J.
How do you justify making everybody conform to
your preferred behavior?
I don't, but the behavior and archiving of this list
is bound by the software that it runs under.
Dale H. Cook, Contract IT Administrator, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html 
3:40 p.m.
On 09/14/2016 05:30 PM, js at cimmeri.com wrote:
On 9/14/2016 4:58 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote:
Is it really that hard to bottom post?
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At 05:42 PM 9/14/2016, Steven M Jones wrote:
I'm the one who last changed the subject of the aforemetioned thread
(which is now not this thread). It was my first time renaming a
thread, and I'm confused as to what I did wrong.
How is sending a new email any different than replying / changing
subject line?
Thanks,
J.
How do you justify making everybody conform to
your preferred behavior?
I don't, but the behavior and archiving of this list
is bound by the
software that it runs under.
Dale H. Cook, Contract IT Administrator, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html 
10:28 p.m.
yes it is. The cursor is at the top of the box with the emails in most
readers I've seen, and unless I want to leave a posting long and enter
comments thru the body, sometimes top posting works.
On 9/14/2016 3:40 PM, KnoppixLiveKiller wrote:
Is it
really that hard to bottom post?
15 Sep
15 Sep
5:01 a.m.
At 06:40 PM 9/14/2016, KnoppixLiveKiller wrote:
Is it really that hard to bottom post?
With that things have gotten really ridiculous, so goodbye for good.
Dale H. Cook, Contract IT Administrator, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html
14 Sep
14 Sep
3:41 p.m.
How is sending a new email any different than replying
/ changing subject
line?
A brand-new (not reply) message does not carry the References: header
chain from the previous thread. For threading-aware MUAs, this makes sure
the new conversation doesn't get buried in the old thread. Or possibly
even ignored, as some MUAs can kill/ignore portions of threads based on
specific message-ids in the References header.
--lyndon
3:48 p.m.
On 9/14/2016 3:30 PM, js at cimmeri.com wrote:
On 9/14/2016 4:58 PM, Dale H. Cook wrote:
Leaving the original subject or a contraction of it is good, unless you
start a totally new topic, and copy some bit of the original. Most
readers will thread the whole thing together anyway from info in the
email headers, so there is no harm in adding a hint as to where the
thread branches.
Lotus could do hierarchical discussion threads, but this is had no way
to surface branches and yet retain the origin.
Thanks
Jim
At 05:42 PM 9/14/2016, Steven M Jones wrote:
I'm the one who last changed the subject of the aforemetioned thread
(which is now not this thread). It was my first time renaming a
thread, and I'm confused as to what I did wrong.
How is sending a new email any different than replying / changing
subject line?
Thanks,
J How do you justify making everybody conform to
your preferred behavior?
I don't, but the behavior and archiving of this list
is bound by the
software that it runs under.
Dale H. Cook, Contract IT Administrator, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html
3:55 p.m.
At 06:30 PM 9/14/2016, J. wrote:
How is sending a new email any different than replying
/ changing subject line?
The message headers contain data that identify which thread a message is part of.
Subscribers normally do not see that data because very few people have a reason to look at
the full headers of a message. Replying to an existing thread without changing the subject
maintains that data. Replying to an existing thread but changing the subject line also
maintains that data, which identifies the reply as part of the original thread. In both
cases the message appears in the list archives as part of the original thread.
Starting a new thread with a new subject assigns new data identifying the new thread. It
appears in the list archives as part of a new thread, independent from the original
thread. That is part of the way in which mailing list software, in general, works.
Dale H. Cook, Contract IT Administrator, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA
http://plymouthcolony.net/starcityeng/index.html
6:36 p.m.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Dale H. Cook <radiotest at juno.com> wrote:
At 06:30 PM 9/14/2016, J. wrote:
days! I was getting bored with all the conversation about vintage hardware
and software - it was so, well, meaningful. We haven't had a good
food-fight here in... days!
--
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens
Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>
University of Washington
There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
How is sending a new email any different than
replying / changing subject
line?
The message headers contain data that identify which thread a message is
part of. Subscribers normally do not see that data because very few people
have a reason to look at the full headers of a message. Replying to an
existing thread without changing the subject maintains that data. Replying
to an existing thread but changing the subject line also maintains that
data, which identifies the reply as part of the original thread. In both
cases the message appears in the list archives as part of the original
thread.
Starting a new thread with a new subject assigns new data identifying the
new thread. It appears in the list archives as part of a new thread,
independent from the original thread. That is part of the way in which
mailing list software, in general, works.
Oh boy, oh boy! We haven't had a 'mailing-list-behavior' thread in, oh,
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