30 Apr
2002
30 Apr
'02
2:22 p.m.
Dick,
One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an
old MAC to talk on the
Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT servers. I
know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace, but I've only seen one
ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs install
an ethernet interface.
What do you know about that?
For Localtalk Macs, you have a few choices.
1) Some models, like the SE/30, had internal slots in which an Ethernet interface
could be installed. These are, however, rare and somewhat pricey.
2) There are ethernet adapters available that hang off the SCSI port. These
are quite proprietary, and can be hard to find software for.
3) You can use a Mac running Localtalk Gateway software for a router. However,
that Mac must have a localtalk and ethernet interface.
4) You can buy standalone boxes like the Shiva Fastpath that handle routing
Localtalk to Ethertalk. These generally work rather well, and can be found
cheaply on Ebay. I use a Fastpath 5 for my Mac network, and it's not failed
me. Locating and configuring the software is the biggest hurdle; I've compiled
an archive of information at http://dbz.icequake.net/oldskool/fastpath/
.
--
Ryan Underwood, <nemesis at icequake.net>, icq=10317253
30 Apr
30 Apr
3:15 p.m.
Please don't refer to models I don't recognize ... I'm a linear thinker when
I'm trying to solve a small highly localized problem. Right now I'm looking
to solve the problem with the Performa 630CD (I went out and bought another of
them since this afternoon, though I had to pay $5 for this one, and it works,
too.) since I have a little hands-on time with those.
Now we've got Localtalk and Appletalk ... What are they and which is which?
Dick
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From: "Ryan Underwood" <nemesis-lists(a)icequake.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor
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Dick,
> One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an old MAC to talk on the
> Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT
servers. I
> know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace,
but I've only seen one
> ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs
install
an ethernet
interface.
What do you know about that?
For Localtalk Macs, you have a few choices.
1) Some models, like the SE/30, had internal slots in which an Ethernet could be installed. These are, however, rare and
somewhat pricey.
2) There are ethernet adapters available that hang off the SCSI port. These
are quite proprietary, and can be hard to find software for.
3) You can use a Mac running Localtalk Gateway software for a router.
However,
that Mac must have a localtalk and ethernet
interface.
4) You can buy standalone boxes like the Shiva Fastpath that handle routing
Localtalk to Ethertalk. These generally work rather well, and can be found
cheaply on Ebay. I use a Fastpath 5 for my Mac network, and it's not failed
me. Locating and configuring the software is the biggest hurdle; I've
compiled
an archive of information at
http://dbz.icequake.net/oldskool/fastpath/
.
--
Ryan Underwood, <nemesis at icequake.net>, icq=10317253
3:56 p.m.
New subject: Localtalk and Appletalk
Now we've got Localtalk and Appletalk ... What are
they and which is which?
APPLETALK - Apple's proprietary networking protocol. Used on a multitude of
network architectures. Intro to it HERE:
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/mac/Networking/Networking-15.html
LOCALTALK - One of many networking topologies on which to deploy Appletalk.
Localtalk is one of Apple's proprietary ones. You connect machines via
Localtalk cables or something like PhoneNET, which translates Localtalk to
run over normal POTS phone lines (on the outside pair (usually black and
yellow)).
There is also TokenTalk (Tokenring), FDDITalk (FDDI), and others. Appletalk
can run over Ethernet fine (EtherTALK), you just have to get it there.
(Through a bridge if you have a LocalTalk network, or if you have an Ethernet
card in a Mac, it'll just talk Appletalk over Ethernet).
Appletalk traffic can also be routed if it's encapsulated inside IP, using
Appletalk-IP-encapsulation (the Linux kernel supports encap and decap of
this).
But normally you don't have to do this, as most Macs can speak TCP/IP (which
does all your Internet stuffs) and for sharing files with other Macs uses
Appletalk.
Netatalk, the linux software package, lets Linux talk Appletalk and do file
sharing for Macs (similar to how Samba does filesharing for Windows on Linux).
Quite sexy.
Pralle
210
4:18 p.m.
New subject: Localtalk and Appletalk
Appletalk traffic can also be routed if it's
encapsulated inside IP, using
Appletalk-IP-encapsulation (the Linux kernel supports encap and decap of
this).
Stupid question, but could this be used to allow a MacOS X system to mount
Appletalk shares on a system that doesn't support the Appletalk-IP bit that
MacOS X is using? Or have recent versions of MacOS X fixed this problem?
Zane
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