30 Apr
2002
30 Apr
'02
12:44 p.m.
Dick said:
One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an
old MAC to talk on the
Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT
servers. I
know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace, but
I've only seen one
ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs
install
an ethernet interface.
Nuvolink made a box, SCSI interfaced Ethernet, 10-base-2 and AUI.
The Quadra 700 was a slight modification to the Mac IIci.
The IIci didn't have Ethernet; the Q700 did. The IIci was a
1990 machine. Q700 was probably late '91 or early '92.
Not sure therefore what you mean by "old". May have been
e-net boards that clamped down on the 68k chip like the
hard drive upgrades and the 1st Radius FP display, but
once SCSI was in place, you had that. But shortly thereafter
you have e-nat on (almost) every Mac.
-dq
30 Apr
30 Apr
1:25 p.m.
Nuvolink made a box, SCSI interfaced Ethernet,
10-base-2 and AUI.
The Quadra 700 was a slight modification to the Mac IIci.
The IIci didn't have Ethernet; the Q700 did. The IIci was a
1990 machine. Q700 was probably late '91 or early '92.
Not sure therefore what you mean by "old". May have been
e-net boards that clamped down on the 68k chip like the
hard drive upgrades and the 1st Radius FP display, but
once SCSI was in place, you had that. But shortly thereafter
you have e-nat on (almost) every Mac.
Focus made a combo video/ethernet card for certain
Powerbook's as well. I've got one of them in my 5300 and it works
great. It's nice having built-in ethernet vice using the PCMCIA
slot. Plus, how many laptops actually have upgradable/replacable
video cards?
Jeff
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5:01 p.m.
Focus made a combo video/ethernet card for certain
Powerbook's as well. I've got one of them in my 5300 and it works
great. It's nice having built-in ethernet vice using the PCMCIA
slot. Plus, how many laptops actually have upgradable/replacable
video cards?
Well, I do have one of the Apple external video cards in my 1400 :-)
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2:02 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" <dquebbeman(a)acm.org>
To: "ClassicCmp List" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:14 AM
Subject: MacEthernet (Was: RE: APPLEVISION Monitor)
Dick said:
Webster make just what you need. The Multiport/LT Router..
Routes IP, Appletalk and DECnet (appears as a Decnet node.) and provides a
phyical interface between the normal 10BaseT or 10Base2 ethernet and the
Appletalk phonenet stuff as well.
Will also DHCP for the Macs (and probably other things on the Ethernet side
but not sure about that)
Configurable with software from a Mac. I got one by sheer luck for next to
nothing with a bag of cables and stuff from auction, unit originally came
One thing that I've wondered is how one gets
an old MAC to talk on the
Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT
servers. I
know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace,
but I've only seen one
ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs
install an
ethernet interface. from the Flinders Medical Centre in Adelaide according
to the asset tag.
RRP of around $2kUS so I was very happy. All my little (and not so little)
Macs have their phonenet/Appletalk wired to it and that connects them to the
Netware box via ethernet (which speaks Mac quite well) and to the Internet
via the ICS in a Win98Se box. Works both ways, my Laserwriter IIf is on the
Appletalk net and it can be queue fed from the Netware box so all the Pc's
can use it. Very nice bit of kit.
Ever try surfing on a Classic with Netscape 1.1 in glorious Black and White?
http://www.webstercomputer.com has all the info.
All the software, firmware updates manuals etc etc freely downloadable from
the site.
Cheers
Geoff in Oz
2:48 p.m.
New subject: MacEthernet
On Tuesday 30 April 2002 21:02, you wrote:
which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs
install an ethernet interface.
On my older compact Macs I use Asante SCSI-->Ethernet adaptors, and the
software is still available easily from Asante's site. My main Linux box
acts as a Netatalk fileserver and all the Macs share off of it.
To handle the bridging of phonenet, I took a Dayna Etherport
Ethernet-->Appletalk bridge originally designed to use an Ethernet
LaserWriter on an Appletalk network. It bridges all of the machines that I
have daisy-chained together with PhoneNET onto my Ethernet (10b2) which then
hooks into a hub's coax port and bridges the 10b2 over to 10bT for the rest
of my 'net. Works WONDERFULLY, although transfers are still slow (PhoneNET
only does 128K/sec, I believe).
Tarsi
210
3:10 p.m.
No doubt about it ... I'm going to have to buy a book about MACs. I don't
need 'em, but my curiosity's aroused now ... and I don't get aroused often
...
I simply have to figure out what those little pictures on the MAC cases and
peripherals really mean. I know you just match 'em up, but ...
What's Appletalk, ... I mean REALLY ... What's Appletalk?
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "FLTLT(AAFC) Geoff Roberts" <co.614sqn(a)aafc.adfc.gov.au>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: MacEthernet (Was: RE: APPLEVISION Monitor)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" <dquebbeman(a)acm.org>
To: "ClassicCmp List" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:14 AM
Subject: MacEthernet (Was: RE: APPLEVISION Monitor)
Dick said:
Webster make just what you need. The Multiport/LT Router..
Routes IP, Appletalk and DECnet (appears as a Decnet node.) and provides a
phyical interface between the normal 10BaseT or 10Base2 ethernet and the
Appletalk phonenet stuff as well.
Will also DHCP for the Macs (and probably other things on the Ethernet side
but not sure about that)
Configurable with software from a Mac. I got one by sheer luck for next to
nothing with a bag of cables and stuff from auction, unit originally came
from the Flinders Medical Centre in Adelaide according to the asset tag.
RRP of around $2kUS so I was very happy. All my little (and not so little)
Macs have their phonenet/Appletalk wired to it and that connects them to the
Netware box via ethernet (which speaks Mac quite well) and to the Internet
via the ICS in a Win98Se box. Works both ways, my Laserwriter IIf is on the
Appletalk net and it can be queue fed from the Netware box so all the Pc's
can use it. Very nice bit of kit.
Ever try surfing on a Classic with Netscape 1.1 in glorious Black and White?
http://www.webstercomputer.com has all the info.
All the software, firmware updates manuals etc etc freely downloadable from
the site.
Cheers
Geoff in Oz
One thing that I've wondered is how one gets
an old MAC to talk on the
Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT
servers. I
know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace,
but I've only seen one
ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs
install an
ethernet interface. 
3:31 p.m.
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
No doubt about it ... I'm going to have to buy a
book about MACs. I don't
need 'em, but my curiosity's aroused now ... and I don't get aroused often
...
I simply have to figure out what those little pictures on the MAC cases and
peripherals really mean. I know you just match 'em up, but ...
What's Appletalk, ... I mean REALLY ... What's Appletalk?
AppleTalk is Apple's file/printer sharing protocol. Basically, it's
Apple's equivalent of Microsoft's NETBIOS. Older serial-based networks
(which ran at a speedy 230Kbit/s) were generally also called 'AppleTalk'
networks, but they've since been renamed by Apple to 'PhoneNet' because of
the satin phone cable you typically use to connect the adaptors together.
Likewise AppleTalk protocol over Ethernet is called 'Ethertalk'. I'm
pretty sure that you can get Ethertalk to either work over IP or a
separate protocol (can't remember the name at the moment).
-- Pat
3:34 p.m.
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Pat Finnegan wrote:
networks, but they've since been renamed by Apple
to 'PhoneNet' because of
the satin phone cable you typically use to connect the adaptors together.
Actually, I think 'LocalTalk' is what they now call the serial-connected
network. Not quite sure where I got 'phonenet' from...
-- Pat
3:39 p.m.
New subject: URL: Appletalk Intro
What's Appletalk, ... I mean REALLY ... What's
Appletalk?
I recommend:
An Introduction to Appletalk:
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/mac/Networking/Networking-15.html
Tarsi
210
3:05 p.m.
I'll keep an eye out for the SCSI<=>e'net box. Adaptec made a
"NODEM" that
was essentially that same thing.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" <dquebbeman(a)acm.org>
To: "ClassicCmp List" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:44 PM
Subject: MacEthernet (Was: RE: APPLEVISION Monitor)
Dick said:
One thing that I've wondered is how one gets
an old MAC to talk on the
Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT
servers. I
know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace,
but I've only seen one
ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs
install
an ethernet interface.
Nuvolink made a box, SCSI interfaced Ethernet, 10-base-2 and AUI.
The Quadra 700 was a slight modification to the Mac IIci.
The IIci didn't have Ethernet; the Q700 did. The IIci was a
1990 machine. Q700 was probably late '91 or early '92.
Not sure therefore what you mean by "old". May have been
e-net boards that clamped down on the 68k chip like the
hard drive upgrades and the 1st Radius FP display, but
once SCSI was in place, you had that. But shortly thereafter
you have e-nat on (almost) every Mac.
-dq
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