1 Feb
2018
1 Feb
'18
12:55 p.m.
I'm getting an Alphaserver 1000a and wanted to install VMS 8.4 -
hobbyist license from CD.
So, I went to the folder on my PC where I have the 8.4 hobbyist
distribution.? There are 3 ISO files; ALPHA084, ALPHA084LP1 and ALPHA084LP2.
I thought I would burn these to CD and up and away.? However, Windows 7
balks and says, 'The selected disc image file isn't valid'.
Is it Windows 7 or is there something I'm missing?? Is the CD on the
Alphaserver 2048 byte block size or 512?
Doug
1 Feb
1 Feb
1:10 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Douglas
Taylor via cctech
Sent: 01 February 2018 17:56
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Subject: VMS 8.4 Alpha Hobbyist disk images
I'm getting an Alphaserver 1000a and wanted to install VMS 8.4 - hobbyist
license from CD.
So, I went to the folder on my PC where I have the 8.4 hobbyist
distribution. There are 3 ISO files; ALPHA084, ALPHA084LP1 and
ALPHA084LP2.
Whilst they may have a ".iso" extension, they are not, strictly speaking
"ISO" files as that implies a file format within the CD.
I believe that these are VMS (ODS) format disks and burning programs that check for ISO
will fail.
I thought I would burn these to CD and up and away.
However, Windows 7
balks and says, 'The selected disc image file isn't valid'.
Is it Windows 7 or is there something I'm missing? Is the CD on the
Try http://www.imgburn.com/
I think that?s what I used...
Alphaserver 2048 byte block size or 512?
I honestly can't remember, but I don't think it matters.
Doug
Dave
3:28 p.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
All,
I?m trying to resurrect an AIX workstation that may well contain useful information for
the NASA IMAGE spacecraft.
The system is an IBM RiscSystem/6000 43P-140 according to the badge on the front (which I
think is reasonably accurate).
It?s running a version of AIX from ~1997 or 1998. It does boot to the GUI login prompt.
Is there a standard procedure for recovering lost passwords for these systems, or for
resetting passwords? I do have physical access to the machine; it?s possible I can find an
AIX install disk but it?s *highly* desirable to preserve the contents of the existing hard
drive.
Apologies in advance if this is posted somewhere obvious, I have not done my google
homework so a pointer may be all I need.
- Mark
210-522-6025 office 210-379-4635 cell
3:32 p.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
Is there a standard procedure for recovering lost
passwords for
these systems, or for resetting passwords? I do have physical access to
the machine; it?s possible I can find an AIX install disk but it?s
*highly* desirable to preserve the contents of the existing hard drive.
Image the hard drive off to a raw file using a linux host with a SCSI HBA?
Once that is done, it might be possible to run a hex editor against the
hard drive (one that doesn't copy the contents into RAM) and then search
for the password file. From there you can copy the des hash and use
rainbow tables / wordfiles to crack it or replace it with a known DES
hash?
This is how I used to reset my root password on my Lucent Audix UNIX host.
YMMV, others might have more insight.
10:28 p.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
On Feb 1, 2018, at 2:32 PM, ethan at 757.org wrote:
Update, I did locate a CD saying ?AIX V4.2.1 for 5765-C34? and this URL:
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg3T1000366
which may be what I need. I?ll try this ASAP, hopefully tomorrow, and report what happens.
Thanks, and any more ideas welcome!
Is there a
standard procedure for recovering lost passwords for these systems, or for resetting
passwords? I do have physical access to the machine; it?s possible I can find an AIX
install disk but it?s *highly* desirable to preserve the contents of the existing hard
drive.
Image the hard drive off to a raw file using a linux host with a SCSI HBA?
Once that is done, it might be possible to run a hex editor against the hard drive (one
that doesn't copy the contents into RAM) and then search for the password file. From
there you can copy the des hash and use rainbow tables / wordfiles to crack it or replace
it with a known DES hash?
This is how I used to reset my root password on my Lucent Audix UNIX host.
YMMV, others might have more insight. 
11:20 p.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
I like the idea of creating an image before something could screwup what is
on the disk.
dd is your friend
-pete
On Feb 1, 2018 7:28 PM, "Tapley, Mark via cctech" <cctech at
classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Feb 1, 2018, at 2:32 PM, ethan at 757.org wrote:
> Is there a standard procedure for
recovering lost passwords for
these systems, or for resetting passwords? I do have
physical access to the
machine; it?s possible I can find an AIX install disk but it?s *highly*
desirable to preserve the contents of the existing hard drive.
Image the hard drive off to a raw file using a linux host with a SCSI
HBA?
Once that is done, it might be possible to run a hex editor against the
hard drive
(one that doesn't copy the contents into RAM) and then search
for the password file. From there you can copy the des hash and use rainbow
tables / wordfiles to crack it or replace it with a known DES hash?
This is how I used to reset my root password on my Lucent Audix UNIX
host.
YMMV, others might have more insight.
Update, I did locate a CD saying ?AIX V4.2.1 for 5765-C34? and this URL:
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg3T1000366
which may be what I need. I?ll try this ASAP, hopefully tomorrow, and
report what happens.
Thanks, and any more ideas welcome!
11:24 p.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:28 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctech wrote:
> Image the hard drive off to a raw file using a
linux host with a SCSI HBA?
>
> Once that is done, it might be possible to run a hex editor against the hard drive
(one that doesn't copy the contents into RAM) and then search for the password file.
From there you can copy the des hash and use rainbow tables / wordfiles to crack it or
replace it with a known DES hash?
You don't need to do any of these things.
Update, I did locate a CD saying ?AIX V4.2.1 for
5765-C34? and this URL:
All you need is this disk. You can boot it, and use it to start a maintenance shell, from
which you can mount the root filesystem and edit the password file(s) directly. The
procedure you found will get you there, easily.
ok
bear.
--
until further notice
2 Feb
2 Feb
3:49 p.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
I had this experience with a Tadpole N40, running AIX 3.
I simply DD'ed the drive, took the image...
$ strings aix-machine.img | grep root:
...to get the password line.
Dump that into a passwd file and run john (the password cracker utility) on
it for a couple days.
I don't think Linux can mount the early AIX filesystems directly.
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:24 PM, r.stricklin via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:28 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctech wrote:
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
> Image the hard drive off to a raw file using
a linux host with a SCSI
HBA?
>
> Once that is done, it might be possible to run a hex editor against the
hard
drive (one that doesn't copy the contents into RAM) and then search
for the password file. From there you can copy the des hash and use rainbow
tables / wordfiles to crack it or replace it with a known DES hash?
You don't need to do any of these things.
Update, I did locate a CD saying ?AIX V4.2.1 for
5765-C34? and this URL:
All you need is this disk. You can boot it, and use it to start a
maintenance shell, from which you can mount the root filesystem and edit
the password file(s) directly. The procedure you found will get you there,
easily.
ok
bear.
--
until further notice
4:10 p.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
Hi...
From memory there were a number of remote exploits
against AIX 4.x.x
The most simple were against ftpd.
A quick search found this..
https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/14409/. This extracts the root user
hash.
Of course if you have local access there is the rlogin vulnerability
against some versions that allowed a normal user to have root privileges
with a trivial command line such as rlogin -l. But my memory is foggy
there.
Should be a fun task. One of the nice things about old operating systems
is that there security is pretty well non existent as.things that were zero
days in the 90s are well known now.
Doug
On 3 Feb. 2018 7:49 am, "Ian Finder via cctalk" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I had this experience with a Tadpole N40, running AIX
3.
I simply DD'ed the drive, took the image...
$ strings aix-machine.img | grep root:
...to get the password line.
Dump that into a passwd file and run john (the password cracker utility) on
it for a couple days.
I don't think Linux can mount the early AIX filesystems directly.
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:24 PM, r.stricklin via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:28 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctech wrote:
the
> Image the hard drive off to a raw file using
a linux host with a SCSI
HBA?
>>
>> Once that is done, it might be possible to run a hex editor against hard drive (one that doesn't copy the
contents into RAM) and then search
for the password file. From there you can copy the des hash and use
rainbow
tables / wordfiles to crack it or replace it with
a known DES hash?
You don't need to do any of these things.
> Update, I did locate a CD saying ?AIX V4.2.1 for 5765-C34? and this
URL:
All you need is this disk. You can boot it, and use it to start a
maintenance shell, from which you can mount the root filesystem and edit
the password file(s) directly. The procedure you found will get you
there,
easily.
ok
bear.
--
until further notice
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
8:26 p.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
On Feb 2, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Ian Finder via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I had this experience with a Tadpole N40, running AIX
3.
I simply DD'ed the drive, took the image...
$ strings aix-machine.img | grep root:
...to get the password line.
Dump that into a passwd file and run john (the password cracker utility) on
it for a couple days.
I don't think Linux can mount the early AIX filesystems directly.
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:24 PM, r.stricklin via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
All,
thanks most kindly to all! It is rare in this hobby that I can report that things went
perfectly the first time, but this is one of those times. I have reset the root password
and logged in successfully, and the machine appears to be responding nominally. I believe
I will be using that machine to push command databases for the re-animated IMAGE
spacecraft up the wire to Goddard Space Flight Center starting Monday morning.
To recap, the system is a Risc System 6000 43P-140 running AIX 4 (possibly 4.1; I will
amplify if anyone cares). The CD described above and this website
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg3T1000366
did the trick perfectly. This is a PCI based PowerPC machine. I did need to obtain an
IBMid to read the web page completely.
I have a SCSI2SD which I will probably use as a target for dd, following the suggestion
to back up the hard drive. Hopefully i have time enough to do my homework to configure
that, but as before any pointers will be welcome.
Again, many thanks for your help!
- Mark
On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:28 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctech wrote:
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com > Image the hard drive off to a raw file using
a linux host with a SCSI
HBA?
>
> Once that is done, it might be possible to run a hex editor against the
hard
drive (one that doesn't copy the contents into RAM) and then search
for the password file. From there you can copy the des hash and use rainbow
tables / wordfiles to crack it or replace it with a known DES hash?
You don't need to do any of these things.
Update, I did locate a CD saying ?AIX V4.2.1 for
5765-C34? and this URL:
All you need is this disk. You can boot it, and use it to start a
maintenance shell, from which you can mount the root filesystem and edit
the password file(s) directly. The procedure you found will get you there,
easily.
ok
bear.
--
until further notice
11:43 p.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
On 02/02/2018 06:26 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote:
thanks most kindly to all! It is rare in this hobby
that I can report
that things went perfectly the first time, but this is one of those
times. I have reset the root password and logged in successfully, and the
machine appears to be responding nominally. I believe I will be using that
machine to push command databases for the re-animated IMAGE spacecraft
up the wire to Goddard Space Flight Center starting Monday morning.
Nicely done.
To recap, the system is a Risc System 6000 43P-140
running AIX 4
(possibly 4.1; I will amplify if anyone cares). The CD described above
and this website
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg3T1000366
did the trick perfectly. This is a PCI based PowerPC machine. I did need
to obtain an IBMid to read the web page completely.
Thank you for the confirmation.
I have a SCSI2SD which I will probably use as a target
for dd, following
the suggestion to back up the hard drive. Hopefully i have time enough
to do my homework to configure that, but as before any pointers will
be welcome.
If you're not familiar with AIX (or that version there of), I'd suggest
you check to see if smit or smitty commands exist. (I don't know what
version they were introduced.
IMHO smit(ty) is one of the EXTREMELY nice things about AIX. smit(ty)
is a menu driven interface for managing the vast majority of things on
AIX. One of the really nice things about smit(ty) is that it will
provide menu panes / forms that you enter information which smit(ty)
uses to dynamically build the standard commands to administer the
system. You can easily (as in hit a listed function key) get smit(ty)
to show you said commands so that you can easily learn them and execute
them directly from the command line.
Note: smit will try to launch a menu in GUI and fall back to text mode.
smitty will always launch the text mode. (You mentioned a GUI.)
Again, many thanks for your help!
You're welcome.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
1 Feb
1 Feb
3:45 p.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
This may have the answer. AIX was certainly in version 4 at that
point, so this should work.
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg3T1000366
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:28 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
All,
I?m trying to resurrect an AIX workstation that may well contain useful
information for the NASA IMAGE spacecraft.
The system is an IBM RiscSystem/6000 43P-140 according to the badge on the front
(which I think is reasonably accurate).
It?s running a version of AIX from ~1997 or 1998. It does boot to the GUI login
prompt.
Is there a standard procedure for recovering lost passwords for these systems, or
for resetting passwords? I do have physical access to the machine; it?s possible I can
find an AIX install disk but it?s *highly* desirable to preserve the contents of the
existing hard drive.
Apologies in advance if this is posted somewhere obvious, I have not done my
google homework so a pointer may be all I need.
- Mark
210-522-6025 office 210-379-4635 cell
--
-Jon
+44 7792 149029
4:57 p.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
On 02/01/2018 01:28 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctech wrote:
Is there a standard procedure for recovering lost
passwords for these
systems, or for resetting passwords? I do have physical access to the
machine; it?s possible I can find an AIX install disk but it?s
*highly* desirable to preserve the contents of the existing hard drive.
According to an AIX SME (currently working for IBM), yes, this is a
standard and apparently relatively easy procedure.
The first Google hit (he was being lazy) was this:
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg3T1000366
He says it's fairly straight forward.
He did pass along the following pro tip: "?that was a pci based
system...so he should follow the instructions section for that in the kB
link I sent?"
P.S. Please don't reply to / hijack an existing thread for a new topic.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
3 Feb
3 Feb
10:08 a.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
On 02/01/2018 02:28 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctech wrote:
Is there a standard procedure for recovering lost
passwords for these
systems, or for resetting passwords? I do have physical access to the
machine; it?s possible I can find an AIX install disk but it?s *highly*
desirable to preserve the contents of the existing hard drive.
I want to say that my machine's a 43P-140, too (and I actually have a pair
of them, but one has some form of hardware fault)
Anyway, for mine, I seem to remember putting the drive into one of my SGIs
(I didn't have a PC with SCSI on this side of the Atlantic) and writing a
little script which read the drive block-by-block, saving any to the SGI
which looked like they might be file fragments containing root password
entries.
That gave me ten or so blocks, which I then moved over to a Linux PC (which
had a little more CPU power than the SGI). AIX's password file format is a
little different to that of everyone else (of course), so I had to tweak
the data to get it into the right format. From there, it was just a case of
running a Unix password cracker and it just took a minute or two to find
the root password.
I forget now which version of AIX I have; I remember that the password
mechanism changed at some point (and 99% of the information I found at the
time via Google related to a different version; it was hard to find details
on the one that I have)
cheers
Jules
5 Feb
5 Feb
8:56 p.m.
New subject: Password reset for ~1998 AIX on RS/6000?
On Feb 3, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Jules Richardson via cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 02/01/2018 02:28 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctech
wrote:
All,
One last update, just in case you are curious.
Although ftpd is disabled on the RS/6000 so at least the weakness Doug pointed out would
not have let me in, his post convinced me our help desk would frown at putting it on our
network. (And, although the suggestions to put the disk on a modern machine to read are
good, I?m a bit scared of the idea of disassembling a functioning system - I?m not that
great a technician?. anyway the install CD and IBM technote referenced earlier were enough
to get me root access.)
Rather than working through smit/smitty to change the IP address and putting the machine
onto our network, I instead used a straight-through ethernet cable to connect it directly
(no hub) to my 1 GHz Aluminum Powerbook G4. (The ethernet port on the laptop is
auto-sensing, else I?d have needed a crossover cable.) I set the IP address manually on
the G4 ethernet to be only a few bits away from the RS/6000?s existing IP address (per
?ifconfig" and set the netmask to be the same. Mac OS X.4 on the G4 does have ftpd
running, so I was able to ftp from the RS/6000 to the G4 and push .tar archives across. I
remembered to command ?binary? in FTP before starting the transfer.
Once on the G4, ?tar -xvf <filename>? extracted the archives, apparently
successfully (although I have not tested any of the binaries, they are of secondary
importance). Of note, double-clicking on the .tar did *not* succeed in expanding it.
I reconfigured the G4 back to its normal ethernet setting and put it back on the network,
then used TenFourFox (thanks again, Cameron!) to push the .tar files up to our institute
large-file http transfer service, then sent links to the Goddard and other folks who
needed them.
I?m still hanging fire on confirmation that the files made it there OK, but I?m
?><? this close to declaring total success on this operation.
Next step, hopefully, re-vitalizing the RAD-6000s we have had in cold storage (in orbit)
for 12 years!
https://image.gsfc.nasa.gov
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2018/nasa-s-newly-rediscovered-image-m…
Again, many many thanks for the suggestions and help!
- Mark
Is there a standard procedure for recovering lost
passwords for these
systems, or for resetting passwords? I do have physical access to the
machine; it?s possible I can find an AIX install disk but it?s *highly*
desirable to preserve the contents of the existing hard drive.
I want to say that my machine's a 43P-140, too (and I actually have a pair of them,
but one has some form of hardware fault)
Anyway, for mine, I seem to remember putting the drive into one of my SGIs (I didn't
have a PC with SCSI on this side of the Atlantic) and writing a little script which read
the drive block-by-block, saving any to the SGI which looked like they might be file
fragments containing root password entries.
That gave me ten or so blocks, which I then moved over to a Linux PC (which had a little
more CPU power than the SGI). AIX's password file format is a little different to that
of everyone else (of course), so I had to tweak the data to get it into the right format.
From there, it was just a case of running a Unix password cracker and it just took a
minute or two to find the root password.
I forget now which version of AIX I have; I remember that the password mechanism changed
at some point (and 99% of the information I found at the time via Google related to a
different version; it was hard to find details on the one that I have)
cheers
Jules 
1 Feb
1 Feb
4:51 p.m.
On 01/02/18 18:10, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
I think a CD will always use 2048 byte sectors (although there are some
oddball
modes so maybe there are other sizes near that 2048).
VAXes (and at least some Sun systems too IIRC) expected the attached CD
drive to deliver
512 byte sectors, to match disks of the era. The CD discs themselves
were exactly the same
as any other CD.
Antonio
--
Antonio Carlini
arcarlini at iee.org
Douglas Taylor
via cctech wrote:
I thought I would burn these to CD and up and
away. However, Windows 7
balks and says, 'The selected disc image file isn't valid'.
Is it Windows 7 or is there something I'm missing? Is the CD on the
Try http://www.imgburn.com/
I think that?s what I used...
Alphaserver 2048 byte block size or 512?
I honestly can't remember, but I don't think it matters.
2 Feb
2 Feb
11:24 a.m.
In my excitement about getting a new machine to play with I forgot what
I had done previously with these iso images.? That is, I used linux to
dd them onto SD cards attached to SCSI2SD drive emulators.
Geez, a few months go by and I forget everything.
BTW, I looked at imgburn.? When I downloaded the installer my Norton
Antivirus found a Trojan in it, so I passed.
Doug
On 2/1/2018 1:10 PM, Dave Wade wrote:
-----Original
Message-----
From: cctech [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Douglas
Taylor via cctech
Sent: 01 February 2018 17:56
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Subject: VMS 8.4 Alpha Hobbyist disk images
I'm getting an Alphaserver 1000a and wanted to install VMS 8.4 - hobbyist
license from CD.
So, I went to the folder on my PC where I have the 8.4 hobbyist
distribution. There are 3 ISO files; ALPHA084, ALPHA084LP1 and
ALPHA084LP2.
Whilst they may have a ".iso" extension, they are not, strictly speaking
"ISO" files as that implies a file format within the CD.
I believe that these are VMS (ODS) format disks and burning programs that check for ISO
will fail.
I thought I would burn these to CD and up and
away. However, Windows 7
balks and says, 'The selected disc image file isn't valid'.
Is it Windows 7 or is there something I'm missing? Is the CD on the
Try
http://www.imgburn.com/
I think that?s what I used...
Alphaserver 2048 byte block size or 512?
I honestly can't remember, but I don't think it matters.
Doug
Dave
1 Feb
1 Feb
4:06 p.m.
Doug
Unless you've got a specific reason to run OpenVMS 8.4 for an Alphaserver
1000A I'd recommend a version more in keeping with the age of the machine,
either a variant of 7.3 or something earlier.
How much memory do you have installed?
Regards, Mark.
On 1 February 2018 at 17:55, Douglas Taylor via cctech <
cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm getting an Alphaserver 1000a and wanted to
install VMS 8.4 - hobbyist
license from CD.
So, I went to the folder on my PC where I have the 8.4 hobbyist
distribution. There are 3 ISO files; ALPHA084, ALPHA084LP1 and ALPHA084LP2.
I thought I would burn these to CD and up and away. However, Windows 7
balks and says, 'The selected disc image file isn't valid'.
Is it Windows 7 or is there something I'm missing? Is the CD on the
Alphaserver 2048 byte block size or 512?
Doug
2 Feb
2 Feb
7:29 p.m.
On 2/1/2018 12:55 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote:
I'm getting an Alphaserver 1000a and wanted to
install VMS 8.4 -
hobbyist license from CD.
So, I went to the folder on my PC where I have the 8.4 hobbyist
distribution.? There are 3 ISO files; ALPHA084, ALPHA084LP1 and
ALPHA084LP2.
I thought I would burn these to CD and up and away.? However, Windows
7 balks and says, 'The selected disc image file isn't valid'.
Is it Windows 7 or is there something I'm missing?? Is the CD on the
Alphaserver 2048 byte block size or 512?
Doug
An update to this.
I picked up the Alphaserver today, powered up fine.? I reset the system
password so I could log in.
It is running OpenVMS 7.1 and has 7 disks in the Storageworks box.
When I log in only the boot disk shows up from the $ show dev command.?
Nothing else, no CD, no tape which are all there.
On powerup it shows:
bus 2 slot 0 pka Qlogic ISP10x0
bus 2 slot 1 ewa DecChip 21040-AA
bus 2 slot 2 pua DEC KFPSA
bus 0 slot 11 dra Mylex DAC960
bus 0 slot 12 drb Mylex DAC960
bus 3 slot 0 pkb Qlogic ISP10x0
I think 4 of the storageworks disks are in a Raid in the storageworks
(DRB).? The DRA raid must have been external since on startup it spends
time waiting for it and finally gives up.
In console mode:
>> show dev
DKA400 RRD45
DKB400 RZ28
DKB500 RZ29
DKB600 RZ29
DRA0 4 member RAID 5
DRA1 1 member JBOD
DRB0 4 member RAID 5
DVA0
MKA500 TLZ07
EWA0??? mac address
PKA0 SCSI bus
PKB0 SCSI bus
PIA0 DSSI Bus ID 3
My desire is to setup this machine and use it, however, I don't want to
undo things I can't put back together again.? Any thoughts or advice?
Doug
7:55 p.m.
An update to this.
I picked up the Alphaserver today, powered up fine. I reset the system password so I
could log in.
It is running OpenVMS 7.1 and has 7 disks in the Storageworks box.
When I log in only the boot disk shows up from the $ show dev command. Nothing else, no
CD, no tape which are all there.
On powerup it shows:
bus 2 slot 0 pka Qlogic ISP10x0
bus 2 slot 1 ewa DecChip 21040-AA
bus 2 slot 2 pua DEC KFPSA
bus 0 slot 11 dra Mylex DAC960
bus 0 slot 12 drb Mylex DAC960
bus 3 slot 0 pkb Qlogic ISP10x0
You?ve got a KZP*A, DE500, DSSI, pair of KZPAC (probably) and another KZP*A
I think 4 of the storageworks disks are in a Raid in
the storageworks (DRB). The DRA raid must have been external since on startup it spends
time waiting for it and finally gives up.
I?d pull whichever KZPAC isn?t connected to anything any more along with the KFPSA which
will speed up INIT if nothing else.
In console mode:
The first KZP*A has the CDROM and tape drive so that?s probably a KZPAA (Qlogic QLA1040),
the internal disk shelf must be split bus if you?ve got 7 drives in there, 3 on the 2nd
KZPAA (or BA) and 4 on the KZPAC.
>> show dev
DKA400 RRD45
DKB400 RZ28
DKB500 RZ29
DKB600 RZ29
DRA0 4 member RAID 5
DRA1 1 member JBOD
DRB0 4 member RAID 5
DVA0
MKA500 TLZ07
EWA0 mac address
PKA0 SCSI bus
PKB0 SCSI bus
PIA0 DSSI Bus ID 3 My desire is to setup this machine and use it,
however, I don't want to undo things I can't put back together again. Any
thoughts or advice?
See above :) Take out boards that aren?t connected to anything. I assume you?re doing a
MINIMUM boot which would explain the lack of devices when you log in?
Pictures may help too.
Cheers,
?
Adrian/Witchy
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3 Feb
3 Feb
11:35 a.m.
Thanks for helping me understand what this is.
My experience has been with Q-bus based Vaxes and this is very different
in that SCSI controllers for Q-bus are rare while in this Alpha machine
I've got too many!
You were right about the MIN boot, I went into SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1
"????? " to reset it from MIN.? Now the console comes up in DecWindows
and all the devices are visible.
Now I know that the floppy is DVA0:.? This is a nice computer.
Doug
On 2/2/2018 7:55 PM, Adrian Graham via cctech wrote:
An update to
this.
I picked up the Alphaserver today, powered up fine. I reset the system password so I
could log in.
It is running OpenVMS 7.1 and has 7 disks in the Storageworks box.
When I log in only the boot disk shows up from the $ show dev command. Nothing else, no
CD, no tape which are all there.
On powerup it shows:
bus 2 slot 0 pka Qlogic ISP10x0
bus 2 slot 1 ewa DecChip 21040-AA
bus 2 slot 2 pua DEC KFPSA
bus 0 slot 11 dra Mylex DAC960
bus 0 slot 12 drb Mylex DAC960
bus 3 slot 0 pkb Qlogic ISP10x0
You?ve got a KZP*A, DE500, DSSI, pair of KZPAC
(probably) and another KZP*A
I think 4 of the storageworks disks are in a Raid
in the storageworks (DRB). The DRA raid must have been external since on startup it
spends time waiting for it and finally gives up.
I?d pull whichever KZPAC isn?t
connected to anything any more along with the KFPSA which will speed up INIT if nothing
else.
In console mode:
The first KZP*A has the CDROM and tape drive so that?s probably
a KZPAA (Qlogic QLA1040), the internal disk shelf must be split bus if you?ve got 7 drives
in there, 3 on the 2nd KZPAA (or BA) and 4 on the KZPAC.
>> show dev
DKA400 RRD45
DKB400 RZ28
DKB500 RZ29
DKB600 RZ29
DRA0 4 member RAID 5
DRA1 1 member JBOD
DRB0 4 member RAID 5
DVA0
MKA500 TLZ07
EWA0 mac address
PKA0 SCSI bus
PKB0 SCSI bus
PIA0 DSSI Bus ID 3 My desire is to setup this machine and use it,
however, I don't want to undo things I can't put back together again. Any
thoughts or advice?
See above :) Take out boards that aren?t connected to anything.
I assume you?re doing a MINIMUM boot which would explain the lack of devices when you log
in?
Pictures may help too.
Cheers,
?
Adrian/Witchy
Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards
w: binarydinosaurs.co.uk t: @binarydinosaurs
f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
6 Feb
6 Feb
10:37 a.m.
On 2/1/2018 12:55 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote:
I'm getting an Alphaserver 1000a and wanted to
install VMS 8.4 -
hobbyist license from CD.
So, I went to the folder on my PC where I have the 8.4 hobbyist
distribution.? There are 3 ISO files; ALPHA084, ALPHA084LP1 and
ALPHA084LP2.
I thought I would burn these to CD and up and away.? However, Windows
7 balks and says, 'The selected disc image file isn't valid'.
Is it Windows 7 or is there something I'm missing?? Is the CD on the
Alphaserver 2048 byte block size or 512?
Doug
Progress: I was able to burn the hobbyist Alpha OpenVMS ISO images to CD
using linux.
Debian Liunx - you have to install cdrskin and the command I used was $
cdrskin --devices -data ALPHA084.ISO
This is on a DELL desktop with one CD/DVD drive, instead of --devices I
could have used dev=/dev/sr0.
I was able to mount and explore these CD's on the Alphaserver 1000a.
Doug
11:03 a.m.
On 2018-02-06 07:37, Douglas Taylor via cctech wrote:
On 2/1/2018 12:55 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech
wrote:
Congrats on the new system.
I know I've done this with Toast on my Mac, and I think I've done with
Nero on the PC. I've also used one of those programs to make CD's for
my PDP-11's, including install CD's for RSX-11M+ and RT-11. I didn't
manage a RSTS/E install CD.
I'm using an interesting option on my VMS Cluster. I have simh/VAX
sharing out two different ConDists to my VMS cluster. Though I need to
burn an 8.4 CD, as I'm still at 8.3 on my Alpha.
Zane
I'm getting an Alphaserver 1000a and wanted
to install VMS 8.4 -
hobbyist license from CD.
So, I went to the folder on my PC where I have the 8.4 hobbyist
distribution.? There are 3 ISO files; ALPHA084, ALPHA084LP1 and
ALPHA084LP2.
I thought I would burn these to CD and up and away.? However, Windows
7 balks and says, 'The selected disc image file isn't valid'.
Is it Windows 7 or is there something I'm missing?? Is the CD on the
Alphaserver 2048 byte block size or 512?
Doug
Progress: I was able to burn the hobbyist Alpha OpenVMS ISO images to
CD using linux.
Debian Liunx - you have to install cdrskin and the command I used was
$ cdrskin --devices -data ALPHA084.ISO
This is on a DELL desktop with one CD/DVD drive, instead of --devices
I could have used dev=/dev/sr0.
I was able to mount and explore these CD's on the Alphaserver 1000a.
Doug
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