14 Aug
2008
14 Aug
'08
11:47 p.m.
I picked up a very old Iomega Bernoulli Box (labeled on the rear as "The
Bernoulli Box," on the front as "Iomega Cartridge Disk Subsystem"),
model CDS-PC/20. The chassis basically looks like a knockoff of the
original IBM PC, even down to the red on/off switch on the rear right.
Got a few 10mb cartridges with it, but no controller.
Anyone have a PC controller for this thing they don't need? Any advice
for cleaning it out before I try to load any cartridges?
Thanks,
Josh
15 Aug
15 Aug
7:15 a.m.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Josh Dersch <derschjo at msu.edu> wrote:
I picked up a very old Iomega Bernoulli Box (labeled
on the rear as "The
Bernoulli Box," on the front as "Iomega Cartridge Disk Subsystem"), model
CDS-PC/20. The chassis basically looks like a knockoff of the original IBM
PC, even down to the red on/off switch on the rear right. Got a few 10mb
cartridges with it, but no controller.
Anyone have a PC controller for this thing they don't need? Any advice for
cleaning it out before I try to load any cartridges?
Hey, I received one of these recently as well. Also no controller
card. I'd be happy just to know the model# so I can hunt one down
later on.
10:52 a.m.
On 15 Aug 2008 at 9:15, Jason T wrote:
Hey, I received one of these recently as well. Also
no controller
card. I'd be happy just to know the model# so I can hunt one down
later on.
Isn't the 20 MB Bernoulli Box a SCSI device? ISTR that you could
plug the thing into a Mac. I've got a PC2B controller here (with
male DC37 connector) that came with my BB dual 90 drive and it's a
SCSI controller, albeit pertty primitive, for certain.
Cheers,
Chuck
11:13 a.m.
From: Chuck Guzis
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:53 AM
On 15 Aug 2008 at 9:15, Jason T wrote:
> Hey, I received one of these recently as well.
Also no
> controller card. I'd be happy just to know the model# so I
> can hunt one down later on.
Isn't the 20 MB Bernoulli Box a SCSI device? ISTR
that you
could plug the thing into a Mac. I've got a PC2B controller
here (with male DC37 connector) that came with my BB dual 90
drive and it's a SCSI controller, albeit pertty primitive,
for certain.
The original Macintosh-compatible Bernoulli Box hooked to the
external floppy interface, and was available in 10MB and 20MB.
SCSI didn't come to the Mac until the SE, as I remember things.
Rich
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Vulcan, Inc., 505 5th Avenue S, Seattle, WA 98104 (206) 465-2916 cell
11:51 a.m.
Rich Alderson wrote:
The original Macintosh-compatible Bernoulli Box hooked
to the
external floppy interface, and was available in 10MB and 20MB.
I never saw one that hooked to the floppy interface, but it's certainly
possible.
SCSI didn't come to the Mac until the SE, as I
remember things.
SCSI appeared on the Macintosh Plus, introduced in early 1986. The SE
was introduced in April 1987.
Most of the early Iomega Bernoulli products used SASI.
2:36 p.m.
From: Eric Smith
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:52 AM
Rich Alderson wrote:
> The original Macintosh-compatible Bernoulli Box hooked to the
> external floppy interface, and was available in 10MB and 20MB.
I never saw one that hooked to the floppy interface,
but it's
certainly possible.
Several of us at the UofChicago Comp Center bought 128K Macs when
they came out. One of the other people in the systems programming
group bought a Mac Bernoulli Box as soon as it was announced.
It was definitely the external floppy port.
> SCSI didn't come to the Mac until the SE, as I
remember things.
SCSI appeared on the Macintosh Plus, introduced in
early 1986.
The SE was introduced in April 1987.
OK, thanks.
Most of the early Iomega Bernoulli products used SASI.
Wouldn't know about that.
Rich
1:08 p.m.
On 8/15/08, Rich Alderson <RichA at vulcan.com> wrote:
The original Macintosh-compatible Bernoulli Box hooked
to the
external floppy interface, and was available in 10MB and 20MB.
SCSI didn't come to the Mac until the SE, as I remember things.
I don't have it here with me, but mine is definitely not SCSI. It did
look more like the interface old IBM tape drives or external floppy
drives used.
1:33 p.m.
On 15 Aug 2008 at 15:08, Jason T wrote:
I don't have it here with me, but mine is
definitely not SCSI. It did
look more like the interface old IBM tape drives or external floppy
drives used.
If you're using the connector as the determinant, that's not
particularly useful. The Iomega PC2B is a SCSI controller and has a
male DC-37 on the bracket. The cable that came with mine has a
female DC-37 on one end and a 50 pin male blue ribbon ("Centronics"?)
SCSI-1 connector on the other. My manual even identifies it as SCSI.
SASI or simple "brain dead" SCSI might be the case.
Cheers,
Chuck
2:13 p.m.
On Aug 15, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Remember, there were quite a few years between the 10/20MB
Bernoullis and the 90MB units. I've seen gazillions of those ISA
controller cards at surplus yards years ago, but I don't know where
one would find them now. There wasn't much logic on them; maybe
10-12 TTL chips.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Hey, I
received one of these recently as well. Also no controller
card. I'd be happy just to know the model# so I can hunt one down
later on.
Isn't the 20 MB Bernoulli Box a SCSI device? ISTR that you could
plug the thing into a Mac. I've got a PC2B controller here (with
male DC37 connector) that came with my BB dual 90 drive and it's a
SCSI controller, albeit pertty primitive, for certain.
2:55 p.m.
On 15 Aug 2008 at 17:13, Dave McGuire wrote:
Remember, there were quite a few years between the
10/20MB
Bernoullis and the 90MB units. I've seen gazillions of those ISA
controller cards at surplus yards years ago, but I don't know where
one would find them now. There wasn't much logic on them; maybe
10-12 TTL chips.
If, as one of the posters has suggested, the controller card for the
20MB BBox is the PC-2/50:
http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/hard-disk-floppy-controllers/I-L/IOMEGA-
CORPORATION-None-PC2-50-PC2B-50.html
then the same 8 bit ISA card shipped with the 90MB units. Mine has
the same layout as described above, with mostly jellybean TTL logic
and a 2Kx8 Sony SRAM and a boot UV EPROM. A total of 5 PALs on the
card labeled 129703, 134880, 129501, 129400 and 128602.
Manufacturing date is 12/12/91. I recall being mildly surprised at
the retro-ness of the card; not just the 8 bit part, but the use of
SSI LSTTL logic when the rest of the world was using LSI CMOS.
Cheers,
Chuck
4:12 p.m.
You could also contact Iomega, they are still in business here in
Utah. <http://ww.iomega.com>
There might be someone there who can help you get your old unit
working.
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4:25 p.m.
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Richard wrote:
You could also contact Iomega, they are still in
business here in
Utah. <http://ww.iomega.com>
There might be someone there who can help you get your old unit
working.
~10 years ago, I wanted to know whether the Iomega "Ditto 3200?" tape
drive that I had could use the extended length tapes.
I tried for days to reach ANYBODY there. Their voice maze would not let
you EVER talk to ANYBODY unless you offered up your credit card. But, it
did promise that IF the problem was PROVEN to be due to a defect in their
product that they would refund the credit card charges.
I was unable to ask a simple question about their product.
~A year later, I cornered one of their people at Comdex. He eventually
gave me updated drivers. I installed the updated drivers and the drive
never worked again, even with the new drivers backed out.
ISTR that there was some legal action against them for bad/nonexistent
"tech support".
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
4:53 p.m.
On 15 Aug 2008 at 16:25, Fred Cisin wrote:
ISTR that there was some legal action against them for
bad/nonexistent
"tech support".
Wasn't the stock also the object of a "pump and dump" scheme? (I
invested in Lernaut & Hauspie at about the same time, but got out
before the stock crashed.)
While you can still find drivers for some of the Ditto stuff on the
Iomega web site, the Bernoulli gear is a no-go on their web site and
ftp--other than mentioning that they made the stuff A Long Time Ago.
Come to think of it, that's pretty significant in itself. I can
remember getting the response "We made that?" all too often from
other firms.
Cheers,
Chuck
5:57 p.m.
Thanks for all the info; I managed to find a PC2B/50 controller on eBay
for $9 so I grabbed it. Found DOS drivers at:
http://www.cometenterprises.com/
They appear to have a few drivers for older Iomega stuff, if anyone's
looking...
Josh
Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 15 Aug 2008 at 16:25, Fred Cisin wrote:
ISTR that there was some legal action against
them for bad/nonexistent
"tech support".
Wasn't the stock also the object of a "pump and dump" scheme? (I
invested in Lernaut & Hauspie at about the same time, but got out
before the stock crashed.)
While you can still find drivers for some of the Ditto stuff on the
Iomega web site, the Bernoulli gear is a no-go on their web site and
ftp--other than mentioning that they made the stuff A Long Time Ago.
Come to think of it, that's pretty significant in itself. I can
remember getting the response "We made that?" all too often from
other firms.
Cheers,
Chuck
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